India US Relations

[Chinmoy]

Let's brief current superpowers.
USA
EU
Russia
China
Russia and China made SCO and US-EU made NATO, creating two poles.
India will reach at level of these countries in 2025-30.
Which club we must join then? What do you think?
We must make coalition with NATO or
We must join SCO or we must nulify SCO by strengthening RIC(Russia China India) alliance?

First we should keep out EU from superpower category if you are talking in military might. Economically too EU is much depended on US. As far as economy and market is concerned combine India, China, Japan and South Korea, you get around 40% of world economy in these particular region. As a whole, as of now whole of Asia is an emerging and biggest economy. NATO in itself is there for military and strategic issues. If not for Cold war era, NATO would not have been there. Moreover its basically US who is calling the shots in NATO rather then EU. But in case of SCO its economy and strategic issue both which is acting as bonding agent.

If you separate US from NATO, EU would be at loss. So showing inclination towards NATO would be not beneficial for India if geo political scenario change tomorrow. Right now I think whole of EU is in turmoil due to manifold increase in fanaticism. On the other hand too much inclination towards SCO too would not be beneficial for India as China would not be going to favour India in front of its regional hegemony.

So I think India should look for benefit on both the side. US could be a good strategic partner along with Russia for regional growth. Whereas China and EU is beneficial for India in terms of economic growth. As of now, we should have our eyes on erstwhile Japan and Oceana along with African nations. We have to give priority to our economy right now to counter Chinese influence in the region. Along with it we have to increase our strategic presence and influence in South Asian region.

All these could be achieved by implementing a carefully orchestrated diplomacy along with some passive aggressive posture in near future. One cant be counted as a super power if its in shade of another super power. You have to stand up and wriggle your way out of this bipolar or tripolar strategy and make your own strategy to succeed.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Reworking Ties With US

Irrespective of who wins, Trump or Hillary, the tilt is towards India - Hillary has taken a personal interest in relations with India
by G Parthasarathy

AMERICAN presidential elections get international attention because of worldwide interest in who is going to become the most powerful leader on the international stage. The US presidential elections in 2012 were less exciting than usual, because of the widespread belief that President Obama would be re-elected. We are now witnessing party primary elections, in which a flamboyant billionaire with a mercurial temperament, Donald Trump, has captured worldwide attention. Trump, a property baron, owns a network of hotels, casinos, golf courses and other properties. He has, paradoxically, struck a chord among blue-collared workers, who feel their jobs threatened by immigrants. His populist response has been to advocate building a wall across the US-Mexico border and banning immigration of Muslims, whom he labels collectively as terrorists.

Hillary Clinton’s primary opponent, former Senator Bernie Sanders, has likewise, espoused the cause of ending free trade arrangements and called for tighter control over Wall Street. Sanders alleges that unemployed and blue-collar workers suffer, because of excessive trade liberalisation and the unholy nexus between politicians (including Hillary) and the financial, business and industrial barons of Wall Street. The tactics Trump and Sanders have adopted have won huge support from insecure blue-collar workers, making life difficult and the competition unexpectedly tough, for Clinton. Despite this, Hillary is expected to win the Democratic Party nomination, unless she encounters difficulties, because of alleged misdemeanours during her tenure as Secretary of State. Trump could likewise sail through as the candidate of the Republican Party. A word of caution on the upcoming elections is called for. The Republican Party could land itself in a mess, if its establishment chooses to ignore the political verdict and nominates an eminent party politician to replace Trump as its presidential candidate.

Trump has moved far away from the Republican Party in his views on several foreign policy issues. He has criticised military intervention in Iraq, Syria and Libya and voiced his opposition to such military intervention abroad. He remains ambivalent on his approach to Israel, though he will inevitably fall in line with conventional thinking on the Jewish state. Interestingly, Trump vows to build bridges with President Vladimir Putin, while Hillary remains steadfastly hostile to the Russian leader. Both Hillary and Trump have suspicions and misgivings about China, with Trump repeatedly asserting that China got rich at the cost of American industry and its working class. The two frontrunners hold opposing views on liberalising trade, with Trump claiming that liberalisation damages the livelihood of American workers.

While Trump has expressed serious misgivings and suspicions about the Islamic world in general, he has expressed specific reservations about the behaviour of Pakistan. Quite unexpectedly, Trump has answered his critics on their charge that he is anti-immigrant and racist by suggesting that he has great admiration for Indians, who are hard working, intelligent and innovative. He has suggested that Indian students who come for studies in US universities should be allowed to stay on and work.

The eight years of the Clinton presidency included some of the worst years in India-US relations. The Clinton administration turned the heat on India to give up its nuclear programme. It pressured Russia to end space cooperation with India. It promoted a worldwide effort to cripple our economy after our nuclear tests and failed. In its early years, the Clinton administration even made overtures to the Hurriyat in Kashmir. On the other hand, the George Bush presidency saw a remarkable turnaround in India-US relations. American pressure after 9/11 forced the Musharraf dispensation to sue for a ceasefire in J&K and end cross-border infiltration in the state. This continued till the last days of the Bush presidency. Global nuclear sanctions against India ended, as the Bush administration used all its persuasive powers to get the 45-member Nuclear Suppliers Group to end sanctions on India. Shortly thereafter, at US initiative, India was welcomed into new global economic forums, like the G20.

While President Obama had pledged to strengthen the US-India strategic partnership, his approach to India has been largely transactional, seeking greater Indian purchases of US weapons, while doing very little to turn the squeeze on Pakistan to end terrorism targeting India and Afghanistan. Intelligence sharing with India has been episodic and sometimes duplicitous, given the delay and reluctance with which intelligence information on the revelations of David Headley was shared with us. More importantly, the US is actively partnering Pakistan and China to bring about “reconciliation” with the Taliban in Afghanistan. Well-placed Afghans complain bitterly of the pressures they are facing from this US-China-Pakistan axis, to keep making concessions to the Taliban. Interestingly, even some in the Obama administration are concerned about what is transpiring.

The world is now seeing an opportunistic move by the Obama administration to persuade India to back US efforts to rein in the Chinese in the Western Pacific, given China’s expanding maritime border claims on South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia. At the same time, the Obama administration is joining China and turning a blind eye to Pakistan-sponsored terrorism in Afghanistan. What the Obama administration is thereby doing, is to seek India’s support to curb Chinese maritime claims in the Asia-Pacific, even as its colludes with China to determine the future of Afghanistan, in a manner that furthers Pakistan’s regional ambitions. There has been much talk, but little action by the Obama administration to curb Pakistan-sponsored terrorism.

Hillary has taken a personal interest in relations with India. Unlike her husband, and John Kerry, her viscerally anti-Indian successor, as Secretary of State, Hillary did respond in a friendly manner to India’s concerns and policies across both its eastern and western land and maritime borders. This was evident in her approach to India’s role in the ASEAN Regional Forum. She chose to call a spade a spade when it came to Pakistan-sponsored terrorism leading to the emergence of extremist outfits that threated Pakistan itself, with the words: “You cannot nurture vipers in your backyard and expect that they will bite only your neighbour”. In these circumstances, we can expect a more mutually beneficial relationship with the US, after the coming presidential elections.

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[Indx TechStyle]

US Expresses Concern Over India's Ballistic Missile Launch

WASHINGTON: Expressing concern over India's recent ballistic missile launch, the US has said such actions could potentially "increase" the risk to nuclear security and have an impact on regional security.

"We're concerned by any nuclear and missile developments that could potentially increase the risk to nuclear security risk or lower the threshold for nuclear use," the State Department Spokesman, Mark Toner, told reporters.

"So we continue to urge all states with nuclear weapons to exercise restraint regarding their missile and nuclear capabilities," Toner said when asked about recent ballistic missile test by India.

He said the State Department official had shared its concerns with New Delhi.

"We are concerned," he reiterated yesterday when asked if the US was concerned about India's ballistic missile program.

"We are concerned about those kind of actions what they do for regional security," he said.

While his answer was general in nature, a senior State Department official pointed out that it included India and the spokesperson's response was against India-specific question.

"Yes," Toner said when asked if the US had raised its concerns with India on its ballistic missile program.

A day earlier he had refrained from going into specifics of America's bilateral conversations with India on this issue.

"I don't want to get into specifics of our bilateral conversations with India, but we've long encouraged efforts to promote confidence building, stability, and discourage any actions that might destabilise the region," he had said.

India successfully launched an indigenously-developed, nuclear capable K-4 ballistic missile from a submerged platform in the Bay of Bengal recently.

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@Chinmoy @Superdefender
They have concerns over missiles like K-4. How they gonna let us test A6 or S2?

 

[praneet.bajpaie]

@Chinmoy @Superdefender
They have concerns over missiles like K-4. How they gonna let us test A6 or S2?

Who are they to let us do anything? If its in our national interest to test any missile, we will do it? We did it in 1999 and 2016 and beyond should be no different.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

No concern about Pakistan modifying harpoon missile with nuclear warhead


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[LETHALFORCE]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/world/asia/30missile.html?referer=&_r=0
US says pakistan
Made Changes to Missiles Sold for Defense


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[AnantS]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/world/asia/30missile.html?referer=&_r=0
US says pakistan
Made Changes to Missiles Sold for Defense


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And Reward would be more missiles

 

[LETHALFORCE]

And Reward would be more missiles

Or f-16's or more aid


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[AnantS]

Or f-16's or more aid


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Dont forget it would be with AMRAAMS to fight talibani stealth airforce. Along with some monetory aid, to hire puncture walas for their f-16's

 

[Superdefender]

@Indx TechStyle , well technically K-4 was tested first, then Yankees got to know it and then they concerned. Their satellites are failing miserably to anticipate our secret tests, I guess. Having said that, Agni-VI test will be no secret. Are you really thinking US will sanction us now? Israel, being a non-NATO ally, was able to test Jericho-III ICBM. Did US get corcern by that? Today's US is not US of 90's (Militarily/Diplomatically/Thoughts about other countries). Now US is trying to get close to India as much as possible, blocking A-6 test will be like hanging Democlis sword, won't it? After Mangalyaan success, US knows it is futile to convince India. And that job will be more difficult for Yankees years after year as India's might will increase. You can take China's ICBM too, did it stop despite so called US concern? so we should sit tight as nothing will happen. That's my view. What is S2?

 

[Superdefender]

Or f-16's or more aid


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OMG F-16 to kill terrorists lolzzzz....next I will hear PAF will demand dedicated LGB and JAGM to airdrop kill terrorists. Everyone knows these are for India only.

 

[Chinmoy]

US Expresses Concern Over India's Ballistic Missile Launch

WASHINGTON: Expressing concern over India's recent ballistic missile launch, the US has said such actions could potentially "increase" the risk to nuclear security and have an impact on regional security.

"We're concerned by any nuclear and missile developments that could potentially increase the risk to nuclear security risk or lower the threshold for nuclear use," the State Department Spokesman, Mark Toner, told reporters.

"So we continue to urge all states with nuclear weapons to exercise restraint regarding their missile and nuclear capabilities," Toner said when asked about recent ballistic missile test by India.

He said the State Department official had shared its concerns with New Delhi.

"We are concerned," he reiterated yesterday when asked if the US was concerned about India's ballistic missile program.

"We are concerned about those kind of actions what they do for regional security," he said.

While his answer was general in nature, a senior State Department official pointed out that it included India and the spokesperson's response was against India-specific question.

"Yes," Toner said when asked if the US had raised its concerns with India on its ballistic missile program.

A day earlier he had refrained from going into specifics of America's bilateral conversations with India on this issue.

"I don't want to get into specifics of our bilateral conversations with India, but we've long encouraged efforts to promote confidence building, stability, and discourage any actions that might destabilise the region," he had said.

India successfully launched an indigenously-developed, nuclear capable K-4 ballistic missile from a submerged platform in the Bay of Bengal recently.

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@Chinmoy @Superdefender
They have concerns over missiles like K-4. How they gonna let us test A6 or S2?

Let me tell you a sort of story (god I like doing these silly things :biggrin2.

You are one of the most powerful person of a village and do want to be the sarpanch. Now you got two villagers there who happens to be neighbour and always remains at loggerheads. For sake of simplicity let us assume one villager as 'P' and another as 'I'. Now 'I' is powerful and prosperous the 'P'. Incidentally there is someone else, 'C' who is emerging and trying to be next sarpanch. By sheer bad luck 'C' happens to be neighbour of both 'P' and 'I'. 'P' shares a very cordial relation with 'C" and supports him blindly on any matter and 'C' too supports 'P' ethically and unethically against 'I', because he fears that 'I' is a very strong contender who beat his ass someday. 'P' does share a 'love and hate' sort of relation with you. But you want to keep 'P' happy, because he have a interesting neighbour in 'A'. Now 'A' is strategically important to you because he shares his border with some of your supporters.
One fine day 'I' wields a machete and do some 'kata'. Seeing this 'P' got shit scared as he knows that the machete will be used against him if he tries to perform some misadventure. So as a good will gesture, in the evening 'choupal' you said that 'I' shouldn't have done that. But refrain yourself against summoning 'I' or using any action against him.
Why this good will gesture? Because from your past experience you know that 'P' would sell his home to anyone who would support him against 'I' and with growing influence of 'C' on 'P', you are afraid that he could do that.
Why would these be a bad thing for you? Because through 'P', 'C' would try to increase his influence to 'A' and from thereon to other neighbours. So you have to keep 'C' away from them for the time being. So you push a pacifier in the wailing mouth of 'P' in front of everyone just to appease him. But you too know that 'I', given his maturity and closeness to you and others, would not mind it and would be on his predetermined path.

I know it all sounds stupid, but read it on your free time :biggrin2:

 

[Superdefender]

@Chinmoy, a very complex and high-end reasoning explanation! Can you not write in simple language what's your view?

 

[Chinmoy]

@Chinmoy, a very complex and high-end reasoning explanation! Can you not write in simple language what's your view?

I like to torture people .

In simple language US have to condemn the test for their gain. You know what is their position in Pakistan at present. They are losing their ground, good will, faith et.al. But they have to keep Pakistan in their kitty bag for their interest in Afghanistan and from there on to the rest of Europe.
They can't afford Pakistan to go into the kit bag of China and let Afghanistan to be used thereafter to hurt their interest. They know the nature of Pakistan more then anyone else. So this sort of comments on media is like dangling a carrot in front of a donkey. You would not see any further reaction from US on ground apart from this.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

@Chinmoy and if @Superdefender 's claim was true that their SATs could not monitor our missiles (success of nuclear submarine's second strike capability) ?
:biggrin2:

 

[Chinmoy]

@Chinmoy and if @Superdefender 's claim was true that their SATs could not monitor our missiles (success of nuclear submarine's second strike capability) ?
:biggrin2:

It might be right, it might not be right. Who knows? But one thing is for sure, they are not at all really concerned with our current tests like that during Smiling Buddha and Prithvi period. Priorities have clearly been changed.
And if they are really unable to monitor us, then kudos to us

 

[Superdefender]

It might be right, it might not be right. Who knows? But one thing is for sure, they are not at all really concerned with our current tests like that during Smiling Buddha and Prithvi period. Priorities have clearly been changed.
And if they are really unable to monitor us, then kudos to us

I think they can not! Why could not they know beforehand that Pokhran test was going to happen. They get to know all things when we announce our plans. There are several project examples you can find. US knows it can't do anything significanty more except showing its worriness. It has bigger madness to handle, aka, North Korea.

 

[AnantS]

Poor Saurav Jha, his twitter handle (sjha1618)was removed. I think since he openly exposed US duplicity and opposed India kowing down to US by signing CSMOA, LSA, BECA. Someone in the land of free speech, free love and democracy, did not like it and took it down.

 

[Tactical Frog]

Poor Saurav Jha, his twitter handle (sjha1618)was removed. I think since he openly exposed US duplicity and opposed India kowing down to US by signing CSMOA, LSA, BECA. Someone in the land of free speech, free love and democracy, did not like it and took it down.

Yeah what happened ? I was starting to like this guy. Maybe got death threats.

 

[Zebra]

http://www.financialexpress.com/art...-ready-to-ink-3-defence-pacts-with-us/233897/

India not yet ready to ink 3 defence pacts with US

By: Huma Siddiqui | April 8, 2016 6:03 AM

Despite prolonged negotiations, India is not yet ready to ink three defence agreements with the US — the Logistics Supply Agreement (LSA), the Communication and Information Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) and the Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement (BECA) for geospatial intelligence.

Ahead of the three-day India tour of US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter beginning April 10, last-minute efforts are being made by both sides to have something ready to be announced so as to make the visit meaningful. This will be Carter’s last visit to India before the election process starts in the US.

Highly placed sources told FE that the signing of CISMOA and BECA during Carter’s visit is not going to happen as “India is not ready yet to put itself in a corner and be drawn in conflicts, especially in the Middle East, which will not be in line with India’s foreign policy in the region.”

While all the three agreements are largely operational and technical in nature, US has offered to modify them as per India’s requirement.

The debate around the three agreements has dragged on for long. Dr Rajeswari Pillai Rajagopalan, Head, Nuclear and Space Policy Initiative, ORF, says, “India is closer to signing the LSA but not CISMOA and BECA. Even on the LSA, there are people who argue that India might be drawn into conflicts in the Middle East if we are to permit the US forces access to Indian military bases.”

Though India’s skepticism is understandable because typically these agreements have been signed by US allies, and India does not want to be seen as one, experts say the progress that India foresees in the area of defence and strategic goods and technologies calls for certain agreements in place that would assure the US that the information/ technologies shared with India is secure.