India To Buy Attack Drones From Israel For $400 Million: Report

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Negotiation for such a deal would have predated Pakistan's recent use of their drones to drop dumb bombs on mud houses of their own people.

But you could be right if Indian intelligence already knew what Pakistanis are doing with their drones :hat:
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BTW I am bit confused with this news.

Aren't we already using this drone? What kind of weapons it can carry or what kind of weapon package we are buying ?
Yup you are right, Google search tells me that this was 2012-13 deal which was delayed. Modi seems to have fast tracked the deal.
 

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How did pak make a deal on a drone that is a demonstration model?
Not inducted by china? Was it co developed?

http://www.ibtimes.com/chinas-largest-drone-rainbow-5-makes-its-maiden-flight-2075088
the drone is entirely Chinese, with no input from foreign sources. Pakistan has an armed drone which can only carry two missiles(as shown below) but it wants a more more universal platform. something that can be used for marine surveillance, border patrol, and drone strikes. the ch-5 is roughly the same size of the mq-9 reaper and the reaper is used for border patrol and marine surveillance and obviously drone strikes.

below is a pic of a Pakistani drone armed with 2 missiles
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below image of mp-9 used for border/marine patrol
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Officials from Israel Aerospace Industries were currently in India and exploring joint production of drones, the report added.

The Heron TP drones will be operated by India’s air force, and their procurement was being fast-tracked by India’s federal government. The deal was approved by India last week and the drones might be commissioned within a year, the paper reported.
Another Make in India initiative!!! Cool!

i think it was reply to burrak chinese drone just used by pakis few weeks back

Buraq toy drones of Chinpakis can never be compared with these advanced platform from Israel.

A number of CH-3s, older UAV models of the CASC Rainbow series, were purportedly sold to the Nigerian military for the country’s fight against Boko Haram rebels.
Nigeria has it ... :D Pakistan too has Buraq a.k.a CH-3s now.



Most of China’s UAV programs appear to be founded upon reverse-engineering of foreign technologies, with institutions such as CASC likely taking advantage of existing R&D efforts in the United States and other Western states. Overall, Chinese combat UAVs lag behind their Western counterparts in terms of detection capabilities and endurance.

http://thediplomat.com/2015/09/china-unveils-its-largest-killer-drone-to-date/


a little birdy from pakistan told me that china is going to sell the ch-5 to pakistan and it will include tot.
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:D
Theres a discussion about this in PDF started a day ago... :D...naturally...its another rumor spreading on PDF which you are taking for granted!! Lil birdy...:D :D :D
Its natural..cuz..pakis think whatever China makes is for Pak..taken for granted attitude..
Btw..its the new news coming out of China and pakis has taken it for granted..


Chinese are not gonna trust Pakis with advanced tech which are very crucial for CHINESE power projection..

Them Chinese are not gonna compromise their position for the in deeper than deepest shit Pakistan.
This mode of Chinese can be understood by the devices which is sold to Pakistan from China so far.
 

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Another Make in India initiative!!! Cool!



Buraq toy drones of Chinpakis can never be compared with these advanced platform from Israel.

A number of CH-3s, older UAV models of the CASC Rainbow series, were purportedly sold to the Nigerian military for the country’s fight against Boko Haram rebels.
Nigeria has it ... :D Pakistan too has Buraq a.k.a CH-3s now.



Most of China’s UAV programs appear to be founded upon reverse-engineering of foreign technologies, with institutions such as CASC likely taking advantage of existing R&D efforts in the United States and other Western states. Overall, Chinese combat UAVs lag behind their Western counterparts in terms of detection capabilities and endurance.

http://thediplomat.com/2015/09/china-unveils-its-largest-killer-drone-to-date/




:D
Theres a discussion about this in PDF started a day ago... :D...naturally...its another rumor spreading on PDF which you are taking for granted!! Lil birdy...:D :D :D
Its natural..cuz..pakis think whatever China makes is for Pak..taken for granted attitude..
Btw..its the new news coming out of China and pakis has taken it for granted..


Chinese are not gonna trust Pakis with advanced tech which are very crucial for CHINESE power projection..

Them Chinese are not gonna compromise their position for the in deeper than deepest shit Pakistan.
This mode of Chinese can be understood by the devices which is sold to Pakistan from China so far.
Iam not comparing the drones but steps to acquire it by modi govt on emergency basis

Latest is Israeli tech already siting in south block finalising
 
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the drone is entirely Chinese, with no input from foreign sources. Pakistan has an armed drone which can only carry two missiles(as shown below) but it wants a more more universal platform. something that can be used for marine surveillance, border patrol, and drone strikes. the ch-5 is roughly the same size of the mq-9 reaper and the reaper is used for border patrol and marine surveillance and obviously drone strikes.

below is a pic of a Pakistani drone armed with 2 missiles
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below image of mp-9 used for border/marine patrol
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Comparing it to the reaper is a joke when Chinese themselves don't have details about the drone
 

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This baby has excellent sensor payload a SAR ( Synthetic aperture radar ) with GMTI ( Ground moving target indication) capabilities , opto electrical infrared sensors and has enough lenses to capture 1 UHD movie capable pixels every minute .Its electronic warfare capabilities can pick up all hostile artillery and radars and can guide payload for hostile hard kill , it can monitor all enemy troop movement and monitor hostile communication and can also jam some of it , Its long endurance is also an advantage , suffice to say if deployed over our western border it will all hostile troop movements and terrorist movements with its 2000 Kg payload that means it can carry PGMs to make terrorists into road kill.

Normally it shouldn't cost more than 20 million dollar for such high end system but if we are paying 400 million for 10 such aircrafts then it means transfer of technology to India .The former DRDO chief making comments about India not being able to make proper UAVs means GoI has chided these DRDO guys and has gone for Israeli system with transfer of technology.
 

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Comparing it to the reaper is a joke when Chinese themselves don't have details about the drone
what? china developed the ch-5 its parameters are that of the mq-9 the sensors that allow it for patrolling is not ready yet, but the sensors for strikes are ready. does india have an operational ucav?
 

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Another Make in India initiative!!! Cool!



Buraq toy drones of Chinpakis can never be compared with these advanced platform from Israel.

A number of CH-3s, older UAV models of the CASC Rainbow series, were purportedly sold to the Nigerian military for the country’s fight against Boko Haram rebels.
Nigeria has it ... :D Pakistan too has Buraq a.k.a CH-3s now.



Most of China’s UAV programs appear to be founded upon reverse-engineering of foreign technologies, with institutions such as CASC likely taking advantage of existing R&D efforts in the United States and other Western states. Overall, Chinese combat UAVs lag behind their Western counterparts in terms of detection capabilities and endurance.

http://thediplomat.com/2015/09/china-unveils-its-largest-killer-drone-to-date/




:D
Theres a discussion about this in PDF started a day ago... :D...naturally...its another rumor spreading on PDF which you are taking for granted!! Lil birdy...:D :D :D
Its natural..cuz..pakis think whatever China makes is for Pak..taken for granted attitude..
Btw..its the new news coming out of China and pakis has taken it for granted..


Chinese are not gonna trust Pakis with advanced tech which are very crucial for CHINESE power projection..

Them Chinese are not gonna compromise their position for the in deeper than deepest shit Pakistan.
This mode of Chinese can be understood by the devices which is sold to Pakistan from China so far.
the ch-3 is in pakistan fleet the buraq is a pakistani version of the ch-3

china has hundreds of drones and is investing billions in developing its own indigenous designs. china technological capability is behind that of europe and north america but only by about 5 years (approx).

there is a thread about a day old on pdf which i took part in the discussion. and i mentioned it there too of the ch-5 intentions for pakistan. people on pdf do have links with the armed forces so they know a lot more than other people. even if you are looking at pdf then that says a lot. i am an active member on dfi, pdf and sdf.
my source told me about the development about a month ago about the ch-5. at first it was supposed to be the ch-4 but they refused as the ch-5 as more to their universal needs.


since you go on pdf heres a link: http://**********/threads/pakistan-air-force-offered-ch5-and-hale-uavs.396983/

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I am just waiting for the day, when India starts using these drones and takes out militant hideouts in Kashmir and terrorists hiding in forests.
 

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the ch-3 is in pakistan fleet the buraq is a pakistani version of the ch-3
BURAQ is Ch-3 renamed cuz China did everything on it..Says news agency DAWN from pakistan.


china has hundreds of drones and is investing billions in developing its own indigenous designs. china technological capability is behind that of europe and north america but only by about 5 years (approx).
:D
Yeah..approx of 5 years is too much of capability difference when it comes to technologies.

there is a thread about a day old on pdf which i took part in the discussion. and i mentioned it there too of the ch-5 intentions for pakistan. people on pdf do have links with the armed forces so they know a lot more than other people. even if you are looking at pdf then that says a lot. i am an active member on dfi, pdf and sdf.
my source told me about the development about a month ago about the ch-5. at first it was supposed to be the ch-4 but they refused as the ch-5 as more to their universal needs.
Pakistan has so many intentions... :D but even with China...only a very very few materialized..
Ch-5 will be another carrot for pak.



China’s ‘Caihong 5′ Drone Is Basically An Exact Copy Of The American Reaper
The Caihong 5 is the newest drone in China’s arsenal, but some observers are claiming the schematics look awfully similar to the American MQ-9 Reaper.


“It’s obvious [China] didn’t think real hard on being original,” a Reaper expert told Breaking Defense.

Produced by the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation, the drone can reportedly stay in the air for 30 hours, which is actually longer than the MQ-9’s 18-27 hour range. The first test flight for the drone only lasted for 20 minutes, however.

Special:
The CH-5, or Rainbow 5, has a 66-foot wingspan and, according to China Military Online, is capable of performing “reconnaissance, surveillance, targeting, intelligence gathering, electronic warfare, border patrol, island defense and anti-terrorism missions.”

The Rainbow 5 requires very little ground support, in comparison with older models.

A Pentagon report released in May noted that China plans to pour $10.5 billion from 2014 to 2023 to produce approximately 41,800 unmanned systems. It seems that many of the unmanned aerial vehicle programs operate based on reverse-engineering technology developed in other countries, and the CH-5 doesn’t seem like an exception to the rule. This means that because China lacks innovation in the UAV sector, it is continually behind its Western counterparts on detection capabilities and may not be up to par on the software side, which is often just as important as raw physical capabilities.


Without advanced software for detection, tracking and targeting, UAVs are not terribly useful.


Others say that apart from the visual aspect, the similarities between the CH-5 and MQ-9 are in fact superficial.




For example, the CH-5, while sporting the same wingspan as the MQ-9, can only accommodate a takeoff weight of 6,000 pounds at best. In comparison, the MQ-9 can hold 10,500 pounds. The MQ-9’s internal and external maximum payload weighs approximately 3,855 pounds, but the CH-5 can only carry 1,984 pounds—less than half the capability of the Reaper.


China apparently sold the CH-3, an older model of the Rainbow series, to the Nigerian military for use against Boko Haram.


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India’s Armed Drone Fleet
Progress in weaponizing drones is in step with the country’s more robust defense doctrine.


With even Pakistan now sporting an armed unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) developed with Chinese assistance, India has decided to accelerate the development of its own weaponized drone fleet. The process of weaponizing an indigenously developed UAV has commenced and the elements required to operate an armed drone fleet, such as a high accuracy satellite-based augmentation system (SBAS) and dedicated military communication satellites, are being put in place. Work is also underway on a stealthy unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV).

Despite this, India still has to make some progress on the collision avoidance technology needed to give its drones the flexibility to use civilian airspace. It will also need to increase satellite bandwidth considerably to increase the tempo of armed UAV flights. In the next few years limited use of drone strikes near India’s borders on terrorist targets may be on the table, in keeping with the emerging Modi-Doval doctrine that authorized the recent cross-border strike in Myanmar.

Status

While the Indian military has long operated Israeli Searcher and Heron drones for C4ISTAR roles and even possesses anti-radiation suicide drones from the same source, it does not as yet have missile firing drones such as the Predator its inventory. India is now looking to change that with its Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) beginning serious work on weaponizing the indigenously developed Rustom-I Medium Altitude Long Endurance (MALE) UAV.

According to the DRDO, it has integrated a locally developed anti-tank missile called the HELINA with the Rustom-I. Taxi trials have been completed, with flight trials expected to commence this year. The idea is to have the weaponized configuration of the Rustom-I ready by the middle of next year. This sudden urgency is perhaps in no small measure due to the recent test-firing of a laser guided missile by Pakistan’s Burraq drone, which was developed with Chinese assistance and which resembles the CASC CH-3 drone.

While integration with missiles such as the HELINA also indicate a potential anti-armor role for the Rustom-I, it could certainly be used in strikes on remote terrorist camps or for that matter on small vessels on the high seas. Indeed, the first military user of the Rustom-I is likely to be the Indian Navy rather than the Indian Army, which still wants certain features added to the Rustom-I before it agrees to induct it.

A key enabler for armed UAV flights in India would be the new domestically developed SBAS called GAGAN, which has already received certification for both en-route navigation as well as precision vertical guidance for assisting planes to land safely and beamed its first signals earlier this year. While GAGAN was designed to assist civil aviation in India, the enhancement of satellite navigation (SATNAV) signals that it provides is obviously available to Indian military users as well. Indeed, Indian defense scientists along with local industry have also developed a lightweight GAGAN receiver module that can be fitted aboard UAVs and is capable of receiving “refined” signals from the American GPS, Russian GLONASS, and Indian Regional Navigation Satellite System which will become fully operational in the near future.

GAGAN is crucial for waypoint navigation of Indian UAVs and will assist them to both “get back home” in the event of a link failure with their ground control stations (GCS) as well as make emergency landings on alternate airfields. Both of these aspects naturally assume even greater importance when a UAV carries on board weapons. Of course, the availability of high quality SATNAV signals are also very important for precision strike purposes.

Indian armed drones in the future will also be able to operate over extended ranges as the Indian military inducts more dedicated military communication satellites. Again, the Indian Navy is a front runner in this department having fully integrated the GSAT-7 communication satellite in its order of battle and used it to network ships and aircrafts in missile firing exercises. GSAT-7 can also relay signals in the Ku-band and this can be used to control Indian UAVs, which will feature a Ku-band transmitter data link. The Indian Air force and Army are meanwhile looking forward to their own joint military communication satellite called GSAT-7A, which will also have Ku-band transponders.

In some ways the stage is being set for the indigenous UCAV program that is currently focused on developing a sufficiently stealthy platform, release of weapons from an internal weapons bay, and materials for all-aspect stealth. The first flight of this UCAV is expected to take place in the early 2020s. By that time, the support elements required to exploit such a system are likely to have matured in India.

Challenges

GAGAN notwithstanding, Indian armed UAV operations will remain restricted to military airspace until such time that India makes progress on a collision avoidance system. For this technology, India is currently tapping the U.S. and France, but it remains to be seen how much assistance will be forthcoming in this arena. Without a collision avoidance system, India’s Directorate General of Civil Aviation will obviously not conclude an agreement with the military to allow UAVs to transit civil airspace. Moreover until the Indian military can put up a large enough constellation of military communication satellites, armed drone operations will be somewhat limited in scope and tempo. There will be a reliance on short distance VHF links unless greater satellite bandwidth is made available. This means that Indian armed UAV operations will take place close to Indian airspace in the early years of deployment. It will also limit basing options for Indian armed drones.

In any case, the Rustom-I is not a long-range system and it is perhaps the Rustom-II, still under development and expected to be able to fly for up to 30 hours at a stretch, which will assume the mantle of India’s frontline armed drone in the years ahead. Development of the Rustom-II has been delayed on account of challenges with efficient design as well as the cancellation of export licenses by the U.S. State Department of the American origin actuators that were being used in the Rustom-II. India has now had to develop indigenous replacements for those actuators and the Rustom-II will fly with those this year.

The episode may, however, have catalyzed India’s ongoing bid to join the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) and the Wassenaar Arrangement, both of which seek to restrict the flow of dual-use items that go into UAV development. India had voluntarily chosen to synchronize its export-control regimes with the MTCR in 2008 during the heyday of the Indo-U.S. nuclear civil agreement and is now looking to use its excellent non-proliferation record to ensure that such events do not get in the way of its UAV development programs by formally joining that association.

Doctrine

Indeed, unlike China, India’s armed UAV fleet will essentially be for its own use and not meant for the export market, something that is being signaled via its bid to join the MTCR. Armed drones for India are actually both a symmetric response to what the Chinese and Pakistanis have been doing in this arena as well as a response to asymmetric tactics being used by India’s rivals. Armed drones are intended to expand the response options available to the Indian military as it has to mount more operations to neutralize terrorist elements based out of remote facilities in neighboring countries.

The employment of armed drones for precision strikes will make it easier for the Indian military to neutralize targets of opportunity in scenarios where sending in special forces would be too risky or complicated. Once lightweight UAV specific munitions that minimize collateral damage become available, armed drones could also potentially prosecute targets co-located with civilian hamlets. Overall, the pursuit of armed drones is in consonance with the Modi-Doval doctrine which seeks to position India as a state that is not averse to deploying hard power for national security requirements.

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I am just waiting for the day, when India starts using these drones and takes out militant hideouts in Kashmir and terrorists hiding in forests.
we need to bomb those infiltrators who breaching the International border ...later we can expand cross border raids
 

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BURAQ is Ch-3 renamed cuz China did everything on it..Says news agency DAWN from pakistan.
thats not what i know. the buraq is a pakistani variant of the ch-3 it uses some tech from the falco.

:D
Yeah..approx of 5 years is too much of capability difference when it comes to technologies.
how far is india from reaching technological independance? 5 years is a conservative estimate. you pointed out that the m9-9 flight time is 27< whils the ch-5 is 30 hours. china does not publish the ucavs details publicly, only to counties that may purchase it.

Pakistan has so many intentions... :D but even with China...only a very very few materialized..
Ch-5 will be another carrot for pak.
everyone has intentions, i dont know pakistans full intentions the point i mention before are in the works which will use sub systems from turkey. the ch-5 is a purchase deal . your carrot analogy is just trolling.


China’s ‘Caihong 5′ Drone Is Basically An Exact Copy Of The American Reaper
The Caihong 5 is the newest drone in China’s arsenal, but some observers are claiming the schematics look awfully similar to the American MQ-9 Reaper.


“It’s obvious [China] didn’t think real hard on being original,” a Reaper expert told Breaking Defense.

Produced by the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation, the drone can reportedly stay in the air for 30 hours, which is actually longer than the MQ-9’s 18-27 hour range. The first test flight for the drone only lasted for 20 minutes, however.

Special:
The CH-5, or Rainbow 5, has a 66-foot wingspan and, according to China Military Online, is capable of performing “reconnaissance, surveillance, targeting, intelligence gathering, electronic warfare, border patrol, island defense and anti-terrorism missions.”

The Rainbow 5 requires very little ground support, in comparison with older models.
so how far is china again ? also “reconnaissance, surveillance, targeting, intelligence gathering, electronic warfare, border patrol, island defense and anti-terrorism missions.” this proves it's universal
potential.


A Pentagon report released in May noted that China plans to pour $10.5 billion from 2014 to 2023 to produce approximately 41,800 unmanned systems. It seems that many of the unmanned aerial vehicle programs operate based on reverse-engineering technology developed in other countries, and the CH-5 doesn’t seem like an exception to the rule. This means that because China lacks innovation in the UAV sector, it is continually behind its Western counterparts on detection capabilities and may not be up to par on the software side, which is often just as important as raw physical capabilities.
the pentagon talks rubbish, the figure will be much higher the 10.5 billion. people from the pentagon think there experts in china,s military, the only thing that they do is get satellite imagery and troll Chinese websites for info.


Without advanced software for detection, tracking and targeting, UAVs are not terribly useful.


Others say that apart from the visual aspect, the similarities between the CH-5 and MQ-9 are in fact superficial.



the ch-3 proves chinas ability to develop ucavs that can detect, track and engage targets


For example, the CH-5, while sporting the same wingspan as the MQ-9, can only accommodate a takeoff weight of 6,000 pounds at best. In comparison, the MQ-9 can hold 10,500 pounds. The MQ-9’s internal and external maximum payload weighs approximately 3,855 pounds, but the CH-5 can only carry 1,984 pounds—less than half the capability of the Reaper.


i cant comment on un official figures which muppet is going to listen to the pentagon.
if you take the idiot(the pentagon) out of the equation then i would assume that endurance is more important than payload

China apparently sold the CH-3, an older model of the Rainbow series, to the Nigerian military for use against Boko Haram.

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china did sell the ch-3 to nigeria theres no secret in that. a quick wikipedia query will tell you that.


anyway, any updates on the rustom2 ?
 

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thats not what i know. the buraq is a pakistani variant of the ch-3 it uses some tech from the falco.
:D
Even news media from pakistan says its Chinese Ch-3 renamed ..The allied medias says its a reaper knockoff



how far is india from reaching technological independance? 5 years is a conservative estimate. you pointed out that the m9-9 flight time is 27< whils the ch-5 is 30 hours. china does not publish the ucavs details publicly, only to counties that may purchase it.
Your response was not about technological independence in the previous post. Your previous post said CH-5 is atleast 5 years behind in technology.
Yes..India dont exaggerate her technological achievements as deception is not a state policy like China.
China cant publish UCAV details publicly cuz I think Chinese may still be figuring out what their UCAV does...
The difference in flight [27 vs 30 ] is because of payload it can carry..

India is not far behind..India has Drones for its need and own satellite capabilities for the feeds.

DRDO Aura.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDO_AURA

This is something which is indigenous by all means!

everyone has intentions, i dont know pakistans full intentions the point i mention before are in the works which will use sub systems from turkey. the ch-5 is a purchase deal . your carrot analogy is just trolling.
No...Look at the previous defense deals with paki with China and you will understand it .
Looking at all previous posts and how DFians counter your argument shows whose logic or analogy is trolling.

so how far is china again ? also “reconnaissance, surveillance, targeting, intelligence gathering, electronic warfare, border patrol, island defense and anti-terrorism missions.” this proves it's universal
potential.
Basically..its Surveillance..attack..and EW.

India has different drones which specifically cater to each of these specific needs.
The latest purchase of very advanced drone from Israel will fulfill various purposes and fill the gaps.
Well..seems like this Israeli drone is gonna be made in India too..

How far is China again?
Not much...
It Seems a Chinese Missile Drone Just Crashed in Nigeria
Pictures of the wreckage posted on Twitter show an unmanned combat aerial vehicle that closely resembles the CH-3 drone made by the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation. Missiles fixed to two hardpoints and a sensor payload are all apparent in the images.
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/whose-drone-just-crashed-in-nigeria-c8c55bdf3476
:D

Universal Failure!!!!!

This is where proper ToT with Israel will help India rather than stealing tech practice of China from USA.
ToT, Joint project with nations who has built it platforms from scratch etc is how advancements in technology is achieved by nations..



the pentagon talks rubbish, the figure will be much higher the 10.5 billion. people from the pentagon think there experts in china,s military, the only thing that they do is get satellite imagery and troll Chinese websites for info.
Yeah.. PENTAGON..picks up info from websites :D to know details about China.. Sad that Pentagon has no other means to keep the tab on Chinese capabilities.!!
Thats a great understanding on matters of state affairs.


the ch-3 proves chinas ability to develop ucavs that can detect, track and engage targets
With what quality...
It Seems a Chinese Missile Drone Just Crashed in Nigeria
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/whose-drone-just-crashed-in-nigeria-c8c55bdf3476

It was not brought down by enemy fire..but simply crashed intact with weapons..

China has to make UCAVS that can detect..track engage and NOT CRASH with weapons and putting them into the hands of enemies.


i cant comment on un official figures which muppet is going to listen to the pentagon.
if you take the idiot(the pentagon) out of the equation then i would assume that endurance is more important than payload
Since Ch-5 doesnt have payload capacity...endurance is much more important... and Pentagon the idiot
What is important is based on Chinese capabilities rather than the real world needs. :D

Doesnt matter if that makes CH-5 it just a loitering uav with cam...with limited fire power.
BUT STILL market it as UNIVERSAL...AWESOME....:D
Nice sales pitch..but China is making itself a muppet.
Thats very logical from paki sales pitch point of view. Anyway pak cant reason with China but to swallow what china gives it..

china did sell the ch-3 to nigeria theres no secret in that. a quick wikipedia query will tell you that.


anyway, any updates on the rustom2 ?
Yeah..Ch-3 and Nigeria is splattered all over the internet.


What I meant was...CH-3 which paki calls as BURAQ..indigenous etc etc is already used by other nations and is put in action even before pakis.
This makes it something called as "Ironical" than indigenous
 
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the ch-3 is in pakistan fleet the buraq is a pakistani version of the ch-3

china has hundreds of drones and is investing billions in developing its own indigenous designs. china technological capability is behind that of europe and north america but only by about 5 years (approx).

there is a thread about a day old on pdf which i took part in the discussion. and i mentioned it there too of the ch-5 intentions for pakistan. people on pdf do have links with the armed forces so they know a lot more than other people. even if you are looking at pdf then that says a lot. i am an active member on dfi, pdf and sdf.
my source told me about the development about a month ago about the ch-5. at first it was supposed to be the ch-4 but they refused as the ch-5 as more to their universal needs.


since you go on pdf heres a link: http://**********/threads/pakistan-air-force-offered-ch5-and-hale-uavs.396983/

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Even news media from pakistan says its Chinese Ch-3 renamed ..The allied medias says its a reaper knockoff
you fail to understand my point. i shall say it agin the buraq is a ch-3 with pakistani tech more specifically from the Italian falco uav.

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Your response was not about technological independence in the previous post. Your previous post said CH-5 is atleast 5 years behind in technology.
Yes..India dont exaggerate her technological achievements as deception is not a state policy like China.
China cant publish UCAV details publicly cuz I think Chinese may still be figuring out what their UCAV does...
The difference in flight [27 vs 30 ] is because of payload it can carry..

India is not far behind..India has Drones for its need and own satellite capabilities for the feeds.

DRDO Aura.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRDO_AURA

This is something which is indigenous by all means!

china as a whole is 5 years behind the ch-5 it significantly closer than that. india has nothing to exaggerate about. lets see you technological achievements.[1] the LCA jet its useless even the iaf admits it too. the indian nuclear sub the noisy russain aided nuclear reactor is so noisy that the sub is restricted to stay in indian waters only, to avoid being detected. the kolkata destroyer 8000+tonne destroyer and it only has a 32 cell launcher. ships half that size have the same amount of launchers. the ajrun tank i would assume even you know its a failure.
and the drdo-aura is stupid. 2020! are you having a laugh. it took you 30+ years for the lca that will be the same.
also how do you know it wont contain french or Israeli tech?

No...Look at the previous defense deals with paki with China and you will understand it .
Looking at all previous posts and how DFians counter your argument shows whose logic or analogy is trolling.
most of pakistan's procurements of arms from china are kept quiet, i only know on procurements by either sources , pdf, or the news. i that order.





Basically..its Surveillance..attack..and EW.

India has different drones which specifically cater to each of these specific needs.
The latest purchase of very advanced drone from Israel will fulfill various purposes and fill the gaps.
Well..seems like this Israeli drone is gonna be made in India too..

true india is developing drones but you are significanly behind china.

How far is China again?
Not much...
yeh thats sort of the point of having a drone to attack, monitor and have ew systems, and also you forgot analyse.

granted isreal has very good drones, but they aint stupid enought to give yo the tech, unwanted eyes may get hold of the tech. and dont say its never happened before. besides Israel will sell the tech to china for a premium, and it has done that before.

It Seems a Chinese Missile Drone Just Crashed in Nigeria
Pictures of the wreckage posted on Twitter show an unmanned combat aerial vehicle that closely resembles the CH-3 drone made by the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation. Missiles fixed to two hardpoints and a sensor payload are all apparent in the images.
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/whose-drone-just-crashed-in-nigeria-c8c55bdf3476
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yes i know it crashed, do i need to ask how many indian jets have crashed.
besides lessons are learned by mistakes and this sort of event should have been avoided but it happened anyway.

Universal Failure!!!!!
it not even started how can it be a failure. remind me how many rafales do you need and how many are to try to buy right now?
This is where proper ToT with Israel will help India rather than stealing tech practice of China from USA.
ToT, Joint project with nations who has built it platforms from scratch etc is how advancements in technology is achieved by nations..
i have already mentioned tot of Israeli tech


Yeah.. PENTAGON..picks up info from websites :D to know details about China.. Sad that Pentagon has no other means to keep the tab on Chinese capabilities.!!
Thats a great understanding on matters of state affairs.
hoe else are they going to get information? are they just going to ask? china has the third largets defence budget and its also one of the most secret forces in the world. china hack us websites, dont you think it knows how to defend its own. the us is blind in in sense of knowing china's military
equipment.


Since Ch-5 doesnt have payload capacity...endurance is much more important... and Pentagon the idiot
What is important is based on Chinese capabilities rather than the real world needs. :D

Doesnt matter if that makes CH-5 it just a loitering uav with cam...with limited fire power.
BUT STILL market it as UNIVERSAL...AWESOME....:D
Nice sales pitch..but China is making itself a muppet.
Thats very logical from paki sales pitch point of view. Anyway pak cant reason with China but to swallow what china gives it..
ok here you need to do some reasearch and then come back.

What I meant was...CH-3 which paki calls as BURAQ..indigenous etc etc is already used by other nations and is put in action even before pakis.
This makes it something called as "Ironical" than indigenous
does india have an ucav? pakistan is one of a few counties that have this capability
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...xclusive-drone-warfare-club-with-nod-to-china

note paragraph[1] is off topic but you were asking for it
 

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it's already there too late. indians prowl pdf to find out on latest Pakistani procurements and then comeback and shit talk them.

ok on topic now.
 

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