India Strikes Against Pakistani Terrorism 2019

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Bakis would have got the drones along with the armaments. Any publicly available image can be compared with the pictures we have here.
If its a stunt created for congress politically by pakis we will know it tomorrow.
Raga taking up this incident and fanning it..bitching and crying about security for common man in villages
Everything matters..
We have more enemies on the inside with cover fire for them from outside
 

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The shell could most probably be of our own anti aircraft guns,but what does paki want to do by the regular incursion through suicidal drone missions and losing atleast 4 drones ,the one for which su 30 was scrambled was most probably wing loong2 ch4 and other being ch3 ,first incursion in gujrat rann of kutch sector then bikaner nal sector now sri ganganagar next they probably try near amritsar maybe
 

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Guys what if it is all planned & calculated risk taken by Pakistan to send drones from the same base opposite Rajasthan border. Pakistan may be luring India to attack their base that is sending UAVs. What If they have their SAM's ready waiting for us to send a few jets.

Pakistan is already losing by keeping NOTAM in their airspace. Since we were not reacting to their sending 24 jets & bombing our military installations, they got desperate. Now they are themselves giving us a target. My observation is that these repeated UAVs coming to Rajasthan border is a trap and baiting us to attack their well fortified base. Sending ground strike forces or IA jets will be suicidal.

So instead of hitting the target they want us to hit, we should be taking the revenge by selecting the targets & time of such attacks of our choosing. This is like a game of chess. Pakistan is baiting us to make a move that they want us to make. Instead let's not fall in their trap & let them be scared & we attack at different targets at a time of our choosing.
 

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Guys what if it is all planned & calculated risk taken by Pakistan to send drones from the same base opposite Rajasthan border. Pakistan may be luring India to attack their base that is sending UAVs. What If they have their SAM's ready waiting for us to send a few jets.

Pakistan is already losing by keeping NOTAM in their airspace. Since we were not reacting to their sending 24 jets & bombing our military installations, they got desperate. Now they are themselves giving us a target. My observation is that these repeated UAVs coming to Rajasthan border is a trap and baiting us to attack their well fortified base. Sending ground strike forces or IA jets will be suicidal.

So instead of hitting the target they want us to hit, we should be taking the revenge by selecting the targets & time of such attacks of our choosing. This is like a game of chess. Pakistan is baiting us to make a move that they want us to make. Instead let's not fall in their trap & let them be scared & we attack at different targets at a time of our choosing.
Drones are standoff weapons. In response to Paki standoff weapons, we should use standoff weapons as well; Prithivis will be perfect.
 

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Drones are standoff weapons. In response to Paki standoff weapons, we should use standoff weapons as well; Prithivis will be perfect.
Drones not that much effective in networked hostile environment u can use drone to fuzz and figure out weakness in enemy air defense rather that that air strike with drone is always limited also it will initiate a counter-air strike by defenders , most of the time armed drones use full in no or less air defense capable environments not an airspace like India or pakistan
 

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Drones are standoff weapons. In response to Paki standoff weapons, we should use standoff weapons as well; Prithivis will be perfect.
As I explained, since it may be a trap, why do we need to hit the same one base? There are many other HVTs. Let's take them down. In Rajasthan sector, our artillery is sufficient to hit their positions.
 

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As I explained, since it may be a trap, why do we need to hit the same one base? There are many other HVTs. Let's take them down. In Rajasthan sector, our artillery is sufficient to hit their positions.
Prithivi ...................................................
 

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Prithivi ...................................................
We shouldn't be hitting that base. It's a trap to lure us to use missile, which gives them reasons to use missile as well. Missiles are cheaper than fighter jets. We want them to use fighter jets to fight so that their cost increase. We should hit another targets of our choosing.
 

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Sialkot airport has been shut for monday, all flights are being diverted this is in addition to already things closed for the week. Another day gone bad for Porkis. Poor guys. :sad:

We on the other had have been shutting our Northern airspace for 12hrs; night operations. So the reports of IAF activity up in the air might be true or not; i lie. :nono:
 

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Guys what if it is all planned & calculated risk taken by Pakistan to send drones from the same base opposite Rajasthan border. Pakistan may be luring India to attack their base that is sending UAVs. What If they have their SAM's ready waiting for us to send a few jets.

Pakistan is already losing by keeping NOTAM in their airspace. Since we were not reacting to their sending 24 jets & bombing our military installations, they got desperate. Now they are themselves giving us a target. My observation is that these repeated UAVs coming to Rajasthan border is a trap and baiting us to attack their well fortified base. Sending ground strike forces or IA jets will be suicidal.

So instead of hitting the target they want us to hit, we should be taking the revenge by selecting the targets & time of such attacks of our choosing. This is like a game of chess. Pakistan is baiting us to make a move that they want us to make. Instead let's not fall in their trap & let them be scared & we attack at different targets at a time of our choosing.
Paki Mentality: India needs to do something first, then Paki will make a narrative out that. A victim narrative. India are aggressors, that's why our action is justified.

Modi is making a big time chomu of the Pakis.
 

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It's a 40mm shell from L-70 ack ack fire by Indian artillery against the drones
Says brf
 

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View: India has a sudden chance to change China's Pakistan math forever
India just has to convince the world that Pak can't be part of any solution because it itself is the problem.
By Pranab Dhal Samanta, ET Bureau | Updated: Mar 11, 2019, 06.15 AM IST
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Any US action on Pakistan for using F-16s could set a significant precedent. Which is why India must call for action.
The Balakot air strikes have provided a big opening for India, which, if exploited effectively, have the potential to fundamentally alter the rules of play that have disadvantaged India in negotiations not just with Pakistan, but also China.

Conversely, if matters are allowed to drift, then New Delhi runs the risk of letting the world re-hyphenate India and Pakistan with calls for further deescalation and talks. What is needed now is to break out of this trap through proactive diplomacy. For that, it’s important to push back and stress on the China-Pakistan nexus — the only strategic hyphenation of consequence that continues to give the Pakistani army the latitude to nurture terrorist groups as fifth columnists against India.

The Lying of ControlFor long, China and Pakistan have combined to lock India in a negotiation trap. When it comes to the boundary talks, China starts with the assumption that the territory under its control is not even up for discussion, never mind under dispute. The only negotiation is about territory under Indian jurisdiction, be it in Ladakh, Arunachal Pradesh or elsewhere. Similarly, Pakistan’s working assumption is that terror groups under its control can carry out attacks at will against India, knowing well that all it has to do is call for talks.


There’s now an opportunity to counter this playbook. The first step is to leverage the current consensus against terror emanating from Pakistan, where the international community is no longer willing to ratify a distinction between an act of terror in Kashmir and mainland India. Which is why there was no appetite for objecting to India undertaking an anti-terrorist air strike on Pakistani territory.

This shift was best reflected in the UN Security Council (UNSC) statement on the Pulwama attack. It was rare to have an incident in J&K in which security personnel were killed being condemned as an act of terror. This hadn’t happened earlier because Kashmir’s ‘disputed’ status came in the way and the UN didn’t want to appear taking sides.

There’s no such inhibition now. Even China as UNSC permanent member, despite sending the draft of the statement back and forth eight times, had to concede to the consensus among the other 14 UNSC members. Significantly, Beijing had to withdraw its objection to the mention of ‘Jammu & Kashmir’ in the statement, instead of ‘Indian-Occupied Kashmir’ or the ‘Indian side of Kashmir’.

This shift is further underscored by general acceptability that Pakistan’s response to the Balakot strike was both unjustified and escalatory. As a result, Islamabad came under immense external pressure to immediately return Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman to India.

As for China, it will be tested on the stand it takes at the UNSC on the fresh proposal to proscribe Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) chief Masood Azhar. But even if it changes its stand, the gesture can’t serve as a barometer for future behaviour. India, thus, has to raise the bar on all countries, including China, to place checks on Pakistan as the fountainhead of terrorism.

This means putting a lid on the use of US-made Nato weapons against India. Pakistan’s use of US-supplied F-16s mounted with advanced medium range air-to-air missiles (Amraams) against India post-Balakot is an embarrassment for the US, which has such strong cooperation on terror with India. The Donald Trump government is apparently evaluating the matter seriously, including how to address what the Oval Office is already calling ‘legacy issues’.

No Longer Sweet F-16India has the opportunity to build the case that foreign powers supplying weapons to Pakistan must now put a condition that they will not allow their weapons they supply to be deployed against India. And, if violated, Pakistan ought to attract a range of penalties. Any US action on Pakistan for using F-16s could set a significant precedent. Which is why India must call for action, and not just denouncement, from the US.

Other powers like Russia, France, Britain and the rest of Europe mostly endorse the Indian perception on Pakistan’s nourishment to terror groups. While some of them, like the US, may want to keep the Pakistani army effective against the Taliban, they would surely not like their ordnance strewn on Indian territory. Besides, all these countries have an eye on the growing opportunities in the Indian defence market.

China, thus, is likely to be the only supplier to Pakistan that India may not be able to influence. But an effort such as this will again force Beijing to consider if it wants to stand alone with Pakistan on terror. That doesn’t augur well for its great power ambitions. After all, China pulled back from Dokalam because the stakes were much higher in holding a successful Brics (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) summit.

The almost spontaneous support India has received post-Balakot has demonstrated that today’s world has no time for ‘nuances of terrorism’. It also recognises that Pakistan’s pretence now stands exposed.

The challenge for India is to convince the world that Pakistan cannot be part of any solution because it’s at the heart of the problem, one that has to be addressed collectively. And, in that context, continuous pressure must also be brought on China to reassess its terms of engagement with Pakistan. In short, there’s much to be done beyond Balakot to translate this action into strategic gains, rather than just quarrel over spoils.
 

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Wary Pak wants India's removal from key FATF panel
The Financial Action Task Force is working to curb terrorism financing and money laundering and has put pressure on Pakistan.
By PTI | Mar 10, 2019, 02.49 PM IST
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    The FATF has asked Pakistan to properly demonstrate that it has a better understanding of risks posed by proscribed organisations operating from its soil.

    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan, wary of being blacklisted by the Financial Action Task Force, has urged it to remove India from the co-chair of a body that is reviewing Islamabad's progress on the implementation of an action plan to combat terrorism.

    The Paris-based global body is working to curb terrorism financing and money laundering and has asked Pakistan to reassess the operation of banned terrorist outfits in the country. Pakistan is under intense international pressure to rein in terror groups like the Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) after the Pulwama terror attack.


    In June last year, the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) had placed Pakistan on the grey list of countries whose domestic laws are considered weak to tackle the challenges of money laundering and terrorism financing.

  • Pakistan Finance Minister Asad Umar wrote to FATF President Marshall Billingslea to appoint any other member as co-chair of the Asia-Pacific's Joint Group, in place of India, to ensure that the FATF review process is fair, unbiased and objective, said the Ministry of Finance on Saturday.

    The Joint Group is a sub-body of the International Cooperation Review Group (ICRG) of the Asia Pacific Group (APG). Pakistan is a member of the APG and its case is being presented before the FATF by the APG. India's Financial Intelligence Unit's (FIU) director general is the co-chair of the Joint Group, the Express Tribune reported.


    "India's animosity towards Pakistan is well known and the recent violation of Pakistan's airspace and dropping of bombs inside Pakistani territory is another manifestation of India's hostile attitude," it quoted Umar as writing to Billingslea while seeking removal of India.

    "Pakistan will also lobby with the friendly countries to get India removed from the co-chair of the Joint Group after New Delhi abused its position in the last FATF meeting," Umar told the newspaper.


    "India submitted a separate dossier against Pakistan that undermined the FATF's neutrality," he said.

    India recently submitted a dossier to Pakistan on the role of JeM in the Pulwama terror attack.

    On Saturday, External Affairs Ministry spokesperson Raveesh Kumar said that India will remain resolute in its determination to persuade the international community of the necessity of compelling Pakistan to move beyond mere words and to show credible, verifiable and sustained actions against terror groups in the country.

    The finance minister said Pakistan would not boycott the FATF process but will use every available avenue to make sure that India no more politicises the global body.

    Because of India's move, the FATF did not express satisfaction on the implementation of the action plan.

    In his letter, Umar referred to a statement regarding the efforts for global isolation of Pakistan and India's call for the blacklisting of Pakistan during the ICRG meeting on February 18, which demonstrated Indian intentions to hurt Pakistan's economic interests.

    The FATF has asked Pakistan to properly demonstrate that it has a better understanding of risks posed by proscribed organisations operating from its soil.

    Umar has written the letter about two months before the Joint Group would review implementation on over 15 points of the agreed Action Plan. The Joint Group meeting is scheduled to take place in May in Sri Lanka. After that, the FATF Plenary meeting will be held in the United States in June this year, the report said.

    Pakistan is again anticipating tough Indian opposition during May and June meetings, the report said.

    "Given the clear Indian motivation to hurt Pakistan's economic interests, Indian presence among the evaluators and as co-chair of the Joint Group would undermine the impartiality and spirit of the ‘peer review' process, which lies at the heart of FATF's methodology and objective assessment," Umar wrote.

    The minister said Pakistan firmly believes that India's involvement in the ICRG process will not be fair towards Pakistan and urged that FATF appoint another country as co-chair of the Joint Group instead of India to ensure an impartial assessment of Pakistan's progress in regard to the FATF action plan.

    The minister assured the FATF president that "Pakistan remains firm in its commitment to work with FATF/ICRG and the Joint Group and to implement the action plan" and demanded that "FATF must take steps to ensure that the ICRG process is fair, unbiased and impartial towards Pakistan".

    Although Pakistan has taken up the issue of Indian attempts to politicise the FATF, it also needs to strengthen the National Counter Terrorism Authority and the Financial Monitoring Unit to present a strong case in the next FATF and ICRG meetings, the report said.

    There is also a need to strengthen the institutional capacity of the FMU by appointing people who have a background in handling the AML and Counter-Terrorism Financing issues.

    So far, most of the staff comprises people who have come on deputation from the State Bank of Pakistan, the country's central bank. The FMU also needs to be equipped to tackle challenges posed by the flow of black money from the non-banking financial sector, the report said.
 
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