India S-400 Acquisition - News Updates and Discussions
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garg_bharat
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India is not going to drop S400 purchase.
There is no available alternative.
I think diplomats will talk and sort it out.
There is no available alternative.
I think diplomats will talk and sort it out.
There may or not be an alternative but this isn't about that. Trump is using this to pressure India to give in on economic matters. We are in for a bit of a tough time in our relationship with the US.
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India has accepted USA condition of not buying oil from Venezuela. This is a good enough payment. If USA demands too much, then there will be backlash. USA trade surplus of India is being paid by supporting USA foreign policy in some areas and that makes things even. Nothing more can be given
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First it was Iran, then it was Venezuela, now it is Russia. The US doesn't get to dictate who India does business with. The only independent choice is France. No matter what US foreign policy is it does not stop the French industry from meeting its commitments to our strategic partners.
Trump doesn’t care much about these policies. He is after India bucking in on US demands on dairy products, medical devices, localisation of data issues and on e commerce. On Venezuela and Iran, it was either to follow US policy or face sanctions. Those two were probably not worth clashing with the US which is why India gave in. The government will give some on these economic issues but the US is upping the ante. We are in for a bit of a rough ride.
Ya sure, that’s why French companies are shying away from Iran....
We have strong economic ties with the US with considerable surplus in our favour on trade. France is a strategic partner but it’s is not the equal of the US either in trade or services, from Indian perspective.
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Ya sure, that's why French companies have never supplied Iran with weapons. We didn't do it before and we certainly aren't doing it now.
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India will not drop S400 purchase no matter what.
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USA can't sanction India on Venezuela as USA sanctions require consent from Saudi Arabia and GCC countries. So, if India has to comply, USA has to compulsorily make concessions. Asking more favours is unacceptable
Yes, no body can ignore or pressurise us...
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US may offer F-35 fighter if India scraps S-400 deal
NEW DELHI: The US could offer the fifth-generation F-35 fighter jet for both the air force and navy, if the $5.43-billion deal with Russia for the S-400 air defence system is dropped.
NEW DELHI: The US could offer the fifth-generation F-35 fighter jet for both the air force and navy, if the $5.43-billion deal with Russia for the S-400 air defence system is dropped.
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They're talking like we want F-35.
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USA seriously fears s400 it seems. The franatic effort to remove it from international market is bordering on paranoia.
May be s400 is truly a deadly system. Maybe we should order more .
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Don’t Believe the Russian Hype
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The most notable example of such fearmongering is the often-cited claim that the Russian S-400 air defense system can create no-go zones reaching 400 kilometers (250 miles) from Kaliningrad. If true—or just believed to be true—this could have major consequences. If NATO is seen as unable to protect its Baltic members from Russian aggression, this puts its fundamental collective defense commitment into question. Thus, Russia has a strategic interest in making its missile capabilities seem more threatening than they are.
Drawing on expertise at the Swedish Defense Research Agency, we have published a report—“Bursting the Bubble”—that takes a closer look at Russia’s A2/AD capabilities in the Baltic Sea Region. We find that Russia’s long-range missile systems, though capable, fall notably short of the Kremlin’s maximalist claims. The technological limitations of the Russian missile systems, vulnerabilities apparent from their field operations in Syria, and the range of possible countermeasures available to NATO, suggest that Russia’s no-go “bubbles” are smaller than claimed, more penetrable, and arguably also burstable.
Claims of far-reaching Russian A2/AD capabilities are mainly based on three systems: the S-400, the Bastion anti-ship system, and the Iskander ballistic missile. But early analyses have often equated maximum range with effective range, underestimated the inherent problems of hitting moving targets at large distances, and ignored a wide range of possible countermeasures. Together, this has led to the widespread overestimation Russia’s missile capabilities.
The S-400 system is often said to have a 250-mile range and to be capable of intercepting a wide range of targets, from transport aircraft to fighter jets, using a set of different missiles. However, the longest-range missile in the system, the 40N6, is not yet operational and has been plagued by problems in development and testing. Currently, the S-400 system is mainly a threat to large high-value aircraft such as Airborne Warning and Control System planes at medium to high altitudes (between 10,000 and 30,000 feet), at a range of 120 to 150 miles.
In contrast, the effective range against agile fighter jets and cruise missiles operating at low altitudes can be as little as 12 to 22 miles. Moreover, while an S-400 battery can use several search radars to find targets, it is dependent on a single engagement radar to track targets and to guide the missiles in flight. This makes the battery vulnerable to attacks targeting the engagement radar and to attacks by swarms of cruise missiles.
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https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/0...en-kaliningrad-baltic-states-annexation-nato/
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The most notable example of such fearmongering is the often-cited claim that the Russian S-400 air defense system can create no-go zones reaching 400 kilometers (250 miles) from Kaliningrad. If true—or just believed to be true—this could have major consequences. If NATO is seen as unable to protect its Baltic members from Russian aggression, this puts its fundamental collective defense commitment into question. Thus, Russia has a strategic interest in making its missile capabilities seem more threatening than they are.
Drawing on expertise at the Swedish Defense Research Agency, we have published a report—“Bursting the Bubble”—that takes a closer look at Russia’s A2/AD capabilities in the Baltic Sea Region. We find that Russia’s long-range missile systems, though capable, fall notably short of the Kremlin’s maximalist claims. The technological limitations of the Russian missile systems, vulnerabilities apparent from their field operations in Syria, and the range of possible countermeasures available to NATO, suggest that Russia’s no-go “bubbles” are smaller than claimed, more penetrable, and arguably also burstable.
Claims of far-reaching Russian A2/AD capabilities are mainly based on three systems: the S-400, the Bastion anti-ship system, and the Iskander ballistic missile. But early analyses have often equated maximum range with effective range, underestimated the inherent problems of hitting moving targets at large distances, and ignored a wide range of possible countermeasures. Together, this has led to the widespread overestimation Russia’s missile capabilities.
The S-400 system is often said to have a 250-mile range and to be capable of intercepting a wide range of targets, from transport aircraft to fighter jets, using a set of different missiles. However, the longest-range missile in the system, the 40N6, is not yet operational and has been plagued by problems in development and testing. Currently, the S-400 system is mainly a threat to large high-value aircraft such as Airborne Warning and Control System planes at medium to high altitudes (between 10,000 and 30,000 feet), at a range of 120 to 150 miles.
In contrast, the effective range against agile fighter jets and cruise missiles operating at low altitudes can be as little as 12 to 22 miles. Moreover, while an S-400 battery can use several search radars to find targets, it is dependent on a single engagement radar to track targets and to guide the missiles in flight. This makes the battery vulnerable to attacks targeting the engagement radar and to attacks by swarms of cruise missiles.
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https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/0...en-kaliningrad-baltic-states-annexation-nato/
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They want to secure future market of f35 in India.
If India buys s400 then they can't sell f35 in future. If they can't sell f35 in future then they can't derail / scuttle AMCA and if they can't scuttle AMCA then Indian airpower will become completely indegenios within two decades.
It's a long con.
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You don't get it. All these US efforts against Russian S-400 is not about fear of S-400 per se, the US barely breaks a sweat with S-400, instead it's all about restricting or curbing Russian efforts to expand its military influence to countries it has strategic interests in.
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No you don't get it. It's a) about protecting future f35 market. And b) s400 operational limits USA strategic as well as military options against any country.
If it was just stopping Russian influence they would have sanctioned MKI program and bramhos and nuclear submarine .
We lease a bloody ssn from Russia . Wouldn't that be the first contender to be sanctioned rather than few Surface to air missile.
But none of that were objected why?
S400 stops f35 future in india. And s400 establishes Indian air domination over Pakistani sky even at peace time . This severely limits USA manipulative power over India and USA playing daddy to Pakistan.
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MKI happened eons ago. The US started restricting Russian defense efforts starting Ukraine. But the US has so far been selective in its implementation depending on the importance to the US of the potential Russian client.
In Turkey's case, aside from strategic considerations, the other US fear with Erdogan's S-400 misadventure is the very likely possibility that Russian technicians can gain access to F-35 data in Turkey.
So you see, it's not really S-400 capabilities that the US is worried about. Especially so now that it has and its Israeli allies have gathered a lot of electronic data on S-400 in Syria and the Israelis in particular is continually testing S-400 with its ops in and around Syrian airspace.
