India-Pakistan LoC/IB Skirmishes in the Aftermath of August 5 2019

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Useless guys, coming here to what?
Bit skeptical about this account. Yesterday he was mentioned about IB flaring up, but proved to be false info
Guess he picked up from Pak snit handlers... Pak handlers always create hysteria whenever LOC flares up. They always fear for losing Sialkot and starts false info regarding IB in Jammu sector which they call working boundary
IB will be touched only if WAR is declared and there is no scope for any skirmish as it's heavily guarded
 

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Mystery Submarine In Service With Pakistan’s Navy SEALs.

Some of the best-kept secrets are hidden in plain sight. Sitting on the quayside at PNS Iqbal, a special naval base in Karachi, Pakistan, is a submarine that you won’t find in any reference books, including my own World Submarines Covert Shores Recognition Guide. To my knowledge this will be the first article detailing this submarine, which appears to be in service with Pakistani Navy SEALs.

The submarine is a small special forces type, measuring around 55 feet long by 7 to 8 feet across. That is a fraction of the size of a regular submarine. Its location and size both point to use by the Pakistani Navy’s Special Service Group, known as SSG (N). They have a long tradition of training with the American unit. This category of submarine is called an X-Craft in Pakistani Navy parlance. The term was inherited from the Italian manufacturer Cos.Mo.S (commonly written Cosmos) who sold Pakistan two sets of midget submarines in the past.

The Italian firm itself borrowed the term from the Royal Navy midget submarines of World War II. The American equivalent to the X-Craft is the Dry Combat Submersible (DCS) now entering service with the U.S. Navy SEALs. It may be intended to replace the Pakistani Navy’s existing X-Craft. Pakistan operates three MG-110 X-Craft which were built locally between 1993 and 1996. They are getting long in the tooth and are due for replacement. But the Italian firm which designed them, Cos.Mo.S was closed down twenty years ago. Today its designs are continued by respected Italian manufacturer Drass. They offer a series of modern X-Craft that may be ideal for Pakistan. But this mystery submarine does not appear to be a Drass design.

The smallest publicly revealed Drass design is the DG-85, which is slightly larger than the boat seen in Pakistan. One clue is that the boat first appeared in 2016. This may tie to a statement in the Pakistani Defence Production Division (MoDP) 2015-16 yearbook. It listed the “Indigenous design and construction of 01 Midget Submarine” as a target for 2016-2017. Since then there have been reports that Turkish firm STM (Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret A.?.) was jointly developing a mini-submarine with Pakistan.

This could indicate that the mystery craft was not successful and so a new design is being developed. Another possibility is that the Turkish partnership will focus on smaller ‘chariots.’ These are similar to the U.S. Navy’s SDVs (SEAL delivery vehicles). In the Pakistani Navy the Chariots can be carried by the larger X-Craft. Analysis of commercial satellite imagery shows that the boat rarely (if ever) goes in the water. The only clear image showing it in the water is from 2016. The operational status is therefore unclear. The tent that covers it is often moved, however, suggesting ongoing maintenance. So the sub cannot be written off, but what it’s called and what exactly it does remains a mystery.




This midget sub possibly be use seize Indian Aircraft Carriers
 
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This midget sub possibly be use seize Indian Aircraft Carriers
They can carry usually six navy SEALS . Highly unlikely they can do anything to
an aircraft carrier which travel in a group. OHIO/VIRGINIA subs keep a few last time I heard
they were used was in Somalia.
 
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This is a issue....
Pakistani is focusing to send fully trained and armed jihadi in india.
I said it before, it's only a matter of time when small arms from Afghanistan start getting smuggled into India to arm the insurgents, local criminals and other anti-national elements and the government's response will be to put even more restrictions on law abiding citizens owning firearms legally.
 

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It is true but for how long shall we continue to blame Nehru?
As long as his thinking, style and approach to Foreign Policy and management of Strategic affairs survives.

what did subsequent government do?
They did Nehru and conducted Foreign Policy to consolidate their vote banks inside the country.

can we ever keep on blaming Naheru without doing what need to do to resolve the issue?
So tell us who after Nehru did anything to correct that policy thrust ?

we should have liberated POK subsequently. Nehru is responsible but others who ruled the country after Nehru are also responsible to some extent.
Who should have liberated it ? Indira Gandhi = right ? But she gave everything back including POW. Congress and NC alliance towards regime continuity reamined.

Rajiv Gandhi ? Gen Sundarji openly expressed his apprehension that he would be bumped off by RAW on orders of Rajiv Gandhi because he was planning to capture POK during BRASSTACKS.

Man Mohan Singh and Sonia ?? It was with great difficulty that the country saved Siachen from their handover schemes ?

IK Gujral - the less said the better.

Atal Bihari Vajpayee - The MEA scarred shit out of him... and he climbed down the Kargil heights on to Indian side.

Now do spread your invaluable pearls of wisdom who was in a position to take it back after Nehru ?? Probably we will wait for Chatrapati Shivaji Maharaj or Sir Prithviraj Chauhan !!!
 

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even the mughals were unable to wipe out true indian culture
This is not Mughal era today these people are getting enough Money and simple techniques to lure our people , social media is the Most prominent tool now , the danger is far greater than ever before , Muslims in India is a soft target for these people and they are winning it , and we are already in danger , I m in a great concern about this .
 

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This is not Mughal era today these people are getting enough Money and simple techniques to lure our people , social media is the Most prominent tool now , the danger is far greater than ever before , Muslims in India is a soft target for these people and they are winning it , and we are already in danger , I m in a great concern about this .
yes i know i can smell many isi accounts in twitter creating fake propaganda about the current government
Pakistan knows well that current government won't tolerate any kind of terrorism
even Imran khan is busy in highlighting negative image of Modi to overthrow the government asap
 

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They can carry usually six navy SEALS . Highly unlikely they can do anything to
an aircraft carrier which travel in a group. OHIO/VIRGINIA subs keep a few last time I heard
they were used was in Somalia.
The numbers are unknown , there may be many midget subs, they can fix numerous mines and can damage the carrier
 

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This is not Mughal era today these people are getting enough Money and simple techniques to lure our people , social media is the Most prominent tool now , the danger is far greater than ever before , Muslims in India is a soft target for these people and they are winning it , and we are already in danger , I m in a great concern about this .
Tablighi jamaat proves you to be right,,,, that is the level of frustration, desperation and danger to India as community ....

That deep is the sense of loss amongst the true believers.... they do think that their secret mission of ruling India through some political parties has finally come cropper....
 
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The numbers are unknown , there may be many midget subs, they can fix numerous mines and can damage the carrier
mines maybe to heavy for these subs to carry?? They are mostly used for transport.
No need to overestimate the capability .They are limited mostly used near coastlines.
 

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even the mughals were unable to wipe out true indian culture
Then you must understand the true nature of Moghul rule,

Moghul rule envisaged control over Delhi and maintaining a strong Military power, rule entire India by dividing India in regional geographical pieces, rule by proxies, Delhi appointed lords and loyalty to Delhi. Do not allow any regional lord to be powerful to challenge Delhi and maintain central authority of Moguls by military might. Impose all sorts of taxes and remain rich.

British almost continued with that core policy..

Congress continued with that core policy for more than 70 years.

That suited Muslim community in India quite well who could disportionately play larger than life political role being a block vote bank due to fragmentation of Hindu polity. That is what brings Congress, Left and some other political parties on the same page ...

That is real meaning of "Bharat Tere Tukade " shout...
 

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even the mughals were unable to wipe out true indian culture
What the mughal muslims couldn't do, its been done now by the muslims using population jihad aided by secular ministers. More than 50 lacs bangladeshi muslims in assam. More than 2 cr illegal muslims plus 20 cr muslims in india right now. Already in several villages muslims are driving out hindus. Muslims keep building mosques,dargahs, mazars near every hindu locality and major temples. No deportation of rohingyas settled everywhere. Future looks scary for Hindus if the Muslim population grows to 40% or more.
 
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What the mughal muslims couldn't do, its been done now by the muslims using population jihad aided by secular ministers. More than 50 lacs bangladeshi muslims in assam. More than 2 cr illegal muslims plus 20 cr muslims in india right now. Already in several villages muslims are driving out hindus. Muslims keep building mosques,dargahs, mazars near every hindu locality and major temples. No deportation of rohingyas settled everywhere. Future looks scary for Hindus if the Muslim population grows to 40% or more.
if the 40 percent mark is reached than India will be a muslim country in a short time.
 
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