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BBQ on a Tuesday!3 pigs again got roasted today.
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BBQ on a Tuesday!3 pigs again got roasted today.
Actual, the first picture has the artist in it, Maj.Gen JFR Jacob flew into Dhaka with just 3000 men at the outskirts of the city and managed to bluff the Pakistanis into an unconditional surrender......if ever there was an example of military chutzpah, that was it.View attachment 41844 .............................
There is some talks about India trying to buy some heavy troop lifting helis..I wonder if there is scope for IA to ask for 8-9 tonne heli purely for rapid troop insertion and exfil, along with proper armour to protect the troops built in.
Dhruv is primarily a utility heli, why not build a new one primarily for withstanding at the least incoming steel core rounds coming it’s way in forward areas. And this time having heavy calibre weapon mounts on both sides built into the design.
Won't simply buying more chinnok fulfill our needs.There is some talks about India trying to buy some heavy troop lifting helis..
Heard it last month ..or so
Yes that’s true but when has the MoD made the right choices in its existence.Won't simply buying more chinnok fulfill our needs.
That’s debatable, there was plenty of pressure on India to agree to an immediate ceasefire and the Soviet Union which had blocked all resolutions at the UNSC had indicated that they won’t be able to continue doing that and that India may need to look at a ceasefire. That’s why the Gen Jacaob’s handling of the situation was so extraordinary. The Pakistanis were looking at a ceasefire, not a surrender and I don’t think many on the Indian side thought there was more on offer than that. Gen Jacob not only bluffed through but actually pushed the Pakistanis into surrender by saying to Niazi that he assumes an agreement to surrender even though Niazi didn’t actually agree to a surrender formally. After the war, Niazi kept accusing Gen Jacob of blackmailing him to surrender whenever he was asked about why he agreed to it.Theres way more to story than that.........porki couldn't escape and mukiti bahni was harassing them they were going to be tortured to death if taken captive by mukti bahini ,
We had complete Air superiority , surrounded pakis from all side , Pakis had to come out of their positions to attack eventually and get slaughtered in a well laid defensive trap , or they were gonna run out of supplies and ammo courtesy of mukti bahini raids,
So it was a matter of WHEN not If.......
They might have been in large numbers but they were surrounded ,choked and stuck in their positions.
Mr jacob sensed the porki fear and fast tracked the process , saving a few 100s of our soldiers 1000s of mukti bahini guirellas and 93000 of Paki mard e converteds.
Yes you are right, some Indians did but many many didn't. Just like some Indians converted to Islam but many many didn't.India was occupied by British. India was plundered by British. Yet some indians joined british army and slaughtered fellow indians. You're right. This isn't treason. This is worse. This is madness.
My understanding of history is fairly decent but this is merely a difference of opinion and you are entitled to your pov. Your belief that the Pakistani soldiers didn’t want to fight is not backed by actual history where Pakistani soldiers fought very hard in many places even when outnumbered. The Pakistanis were shaken by the previous days bombing of the governors residence and with the way the war was going and were a dispirited lot but Niazi didn’t expect to surrender. You don’t have to take my word for it, you can read other historical accounts including Gen. Jacob’s. The Pakistanis believed that Gen. Jacob had many more troops around the city than he actually had. Gen. Manekshaw actually asked Gen Jacob to go to Dhaka because of the international pressure to end the conflict. The bluff and I mean this in the most respectful manner was in which Gen. Jacob intimidated the Pakistanis into surrendering when Gen. Niazi had about 30000 troops in Dhaka and could have put up a fight for many more days. This is Gen. Jacob’s own account where he spent the half hour he had given Gen Niazi pacing up and down worried, even by his own account he didn’t show it, in case Gen. Niazi refused the demand made.Look man pakis were not willing to fight and pressure was there on us from start US sent their nuke subs , more importantly like i said mukti bahini was harassing pakis and paki soldiers who were captured were being brutally tortured by them, stories were spread all over , that has a psychological effect on pakis stuck there ,
like i said they were surrounded and cut off from outside world ,they did not know what was happening outside ,they wanted a way out ,
No one can be bluffed into surrendering with 93000 trained soldiers if there's even an off chance of winning ,
They had accepted defeat already ,for them it was matter of when , that's why niazi agreed.
You are not understanding gravity of paki position , they couldn't leave their positions and move around freely because of mukti bahini , our own forces and our complete air superiority.
Try getting stuck in the same place for a week with stories of mukti bahini torturing and then completely surrounded by Indian army and mukti bahini and no outside help ,limited food and water and ammo.
My point is pakis stuck their didn't know about the latest diplomacy going on , they were in situation of complete defeat ,
THAT'S WHY they got bluffed because they had no way out ,other than international pressure but being cut off they didn't know what was latest developments in international arena.
So, saying that pakis were coned into surrender is wrong , they were defeated and broken and hopeless , they wanted to surrender ,
Mr jacob sensed their morale and sped up things.
The answer to yours is Extortion and Illegal Drug Trade...OFF TOPIC
Who do you guys think funds these? I mean Myanmar is Pro-India and so is Bangladesh to a certain extent through there government. So China?
My itch to defend Pakistanis is legendary..???Your itch to defend pakis and their bravery is legendary , give them benefit of doubt at every place, .