India Pakistan conflict along LoC and counter terrorist operations

[ezsasa]

Donald Trump expected to withdraw 4,500 troops from Afghanistan

President Trump is expected to order the withdrawal of all US troops from Afghanistan and Iraq before he leaves office in January.In a move to honour his longst

www.thetimes.co.uk

Alhamdulillah.. If this is true, then, Pakistan would have almost no leverage with the incoming biden administration.. and the time would be ripe for Mr.D to completely destabilize Pakistan via Afghanistan..

Note: Had it not been for total US dependence on Pakistan for logistics to Afghanistan, Pakistan would never have attempted Parliament attack in 2001. It did so, secure in the belief that US would save it.. And american presence, has strengthened Pakistan's opponents in Afghanistan sufficiently, that they can give the ISI a run for their money even after US leaves..

Last time when a U.S President went against the establishment on the topic of bringing their soldiers home, it didn't end well for that president.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

The problem is once US are out of Afghanistan, it will become ISI's breeding ground and ISI will do max to sabotage India's interest in Afghanistan. R&AW's subversive/covert activities against Pakistan from Afghan soil will take a huge hit. Our Intel agencies will have to roll back several of it operations.

US anyway puts a tight leash on Indian use of Afghan soil, against Pakistan, so as to appease Pakistan, and guarantee security of american troops.. So, yes Pakistan will try.. but so will India, Iran, Russia and other parties.. A sudden ameeican withdrawal would destabilize AfPak like never before.. But, most important of all, it would render Washington to turn a blind eye towards Indian Aggression against Pakistan.. and our kashmir policies..

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Last time when a U.S President went against the establishment on the topic of bringing their soldiers home, it didn't end well for that president.

Well Trump's already on the way out..

 

[Shashank Nayak]

American withdrawal from Afghanistan, also risks drawing Mulla gaze towards East Turkestan/Xinjiang. Also, the US could concentrate more on China containment with India, and be free of its necessity to appease Pakistan.. But, then i guess there will only be a partial withdrawal as US Mic lobby will fight tooth and nail..

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Peace in Afghanistan is only possible after a castration of Pakistan. The US did a fundamental mistake in 2001, by going after the Taliban first, before neutering its sponsor.. I am not saying that the US will act against Pakistan after departure from Afghanistan, but it would be more willing to look the other way when India skullf**ks Pakistan.
As long as US troops are in Afghanistan, India will not be able to inflict any major punishment on Pakistan, as Pakistan uses the lives of US troops as ransom to blackmail America.

 

[Swiftfarts]

Peace in Afghanistan is only possible after a castration of Pakistan. The US did a fundamental mistake in 2001, by going after the Taliban first, before neutering its sponsor.. I am not saying that the US will act against Pakistan after departure from Afghanistan, but it would be more willing to look the other way when India skullf**ks Pakistan.
As long as US troops are in Afghanistan, India will not be able to inflict any major punishment on Pakistan, as Pakistan uses the lives of US troops as ransom to blackmail America.

Biggest sponsor of Taliban are American allie's in middle east from where money comes from. Pakistan is just a intermediately, beneficiary of the Chao's.
No money , no weapons , half of these jehadis will be slaughtered in no time , any insurgent group, organised movement can not sustain itself without financial backing. Whole middle east geopolitics is based on bringing foreign powers in, always have been. US will never let go of Pakistan ever. Keep living in la la land for good though.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

The problem is once US are out of Afghanistan, it will become ISI's breeding ground and ISI will do max to sabotage India's interest in Afghanistan. R&AW's subversive/covert activities against Pakistan from Afghan soil will take a huge hit. Our Intel agencies will have to roll back several of it operations.

Depends on how powerful NDS is. Remember RAW and NDS work very closely.

 

[FalconZero]

Biggest sponsor of Taliban are American allie's in middle east from where money comes from. Pakistan is just a intermediately, beneficiary of the Chao's.
No money , no weapons , half of these jehadis will be slaughtered in no time , any insurgent group, organised movement can not sustain itself without financial backing. Whole middle east geopolitics is based on bringing foreign powers in, always have been. US will never let go of Pakistan ever. Keep living in la la land for good though.

Well, when i was reading about taliban, i found out that biggest source of their income is taxes and production/training of the people producing narcotics, it maybe at the behest of USA/ISI doesn't matter since they are earning millions of dollars which can help them sustain the ongoing unrest in the Afghanistan.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

Just to show how Afghan government presents its PR and discusses Taliban casualties and portrays them, read this link:

MoI Releases List of Taliban Commanders Killed in South | TOLOnews

At least 40 Taliban commanders were killed in the southern province of Kandahar, the Interior Ministry says.

tolonews.com

Note how they say '152 Pakistani fighters killed in Helmand'. It is important to note how they describe their enemies. Afghan government and NDS are firmly anti pakistan and will forever be. Plus Afghan Army is causing substantial damage to the Talibs as well, who as a retaliation kill scores of civilians (soft targets).

 

[NAMICA]

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

US anyway puts a tight leash on Indian use of Afghan soil, against Pakistan, so as to appease Pakistan, and guarantee security of american troops.. So, yes Pakistan will try.. but so will India, Iran, Russia and other parties.. A sudden ameeican withdrawal would destabilize AfPak like never before.. But, most important of all, it would render Washington to turn a blind eye towards Indian Aggression against Pakistan.. and our kashmir policies..

I would argue US withdrawal from Afghanistan could be a huge blow to India unless India strengthens its grip in the region. India needs to help strengthen the Afghan Army and Air Force. India might even need to intervene directly to stop the collapse of the Afghan forces. India could employ similar tactics like Russia did in Syria and Libya like the way of using PMCs and our own forces directly to destroy the Talibani Terrorists. It worked well against Turkish Funded Terrorist Groups and ISIS in Syria and Libiya. If we let the Afghan Taliban and Paki ISI Terrorists do whatever they want in Afghanistan We will to have to pay huge costs in both the Mainland and J&K UT.

I mean Americans have generally turned blind eye to our Kashmir Policies. Even if they do give out vague statements it doesn’t mean much. American politicians who talk against India are generally powerless because of strong Indian Lobby in the Legislative Branch and Executive Branch. Biden Presidency isn’t going to change relations with India. It will continue were it left up with Trump and maybe even pick up later.

US doesn’t honestly give a shit what happens to the Pakis and what we do to them. What matters to them is the dangerous nuclear weapons that porkis posses. Porkis are a unstable Islamofascist failed terrorist state that is willingly to destroy the whole world if it means it can destroy India and Hindus. There is no guarantee that nuclear weapons in porkishitan will not end up in the hands of Islamic Terrorist Group like Taliban or ISIS ones PorkiShitan Collapses. If porkis didn’t have nukes they would have been the first ones to get invaded by Americans the movement War on Terror started along with Afghanistan.

 

[Cheran]

I mean Americans have generally turned blind eye to our Kashmir Policies. Even if they do give out vague statements it doesn’t mean much. American politicians who talk against India are generally powerless because of strong Indian Lobby in the Legislative Branch and Executive Branch. Biden Presidency isn’t going to change relations with India. It will continue were it left up with Trump and maybe even pick up later. US doesn’t honestly give a shit what happens to the Pakis and what we do to them. What matters to them is the dangerous nuclear weapons that porkis posses. Porkis are a unstable Islamofascist failed terrorist state that is willingly to destroy the whole world if it means it can destroy India and Hindus. There is no guarantee that nuclear weapons in porkishitan will not end up in the hands of Islamic Terrorist Group like Taliban or ISIS ones PorkiShitan Collapses.

This *might* be true of recent events in Trump era.

But prior to this, things were bad, they used to interfere, eg. Robin Raphel.

India needs to tell the Booden admin that such people will not be granted visas.

Controversial Anti-India US Diplomat Robin Raphel Returns To Spread Pro-Pak Propaganda Over Kashmir

The former American diplomat Robin Raphel and Ghulam Nabi Fai, a convicted felon who worked as Pakistan's spy to influence the US policy over Kashmir, are back in business

swarajyamag.com

The Robin Raphel saga: What happened in Washington that soured Indo-US ties

Robin Raphel, who sent Indo-US ties on a downward spiral by her pro-Pak stand, was recently being investigated by the FBI for espionage. This is a first person report of the press conference held by Raphel in 1993 that did all the damage

www.firstpost.com

Robin Raphel, the ‘obstacle’ in India-U.S. ties

‘Her position was anti-India, but it was also not in the U.S.’s interests’

www.thehindu.com

Veteran US Diplomat Robin L Raphel encouraged creation of Hurriyat Conference in Kashmir

Raphel, remained Americas advisor on Pakistan, even after she left US State Department's South Asia Department in June 1997 and also her retirement.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[Mikel]

This *might* be true of recent events in Trump era.

But prior to this, things were bad, they used to interfere, eg. Robin Raphel.

India needs to tell the Booden admin that such people will not be granted visas.

Controversial Anti-India US Diplomat Robin Raphel Returns To Spread Pro-Pak Propaganda Over Kashmir

The former American diplomat Robin Raphel and Ghulam Nabi Fai, a convicted felon who worked as Pakistan's spy to influence the US policy over Kashmir, are back in business

swarajyamag.com

The Robin Raphel saga: What happened in Washington that soured Indo-US ties

Robin Raphel, who sent Indo-US ties on a downward spiral by her pro-Pak stand, was recently being investigated by the FBI for espionage. This is a first person report of the press conference held by Raphel in 1993 that did all the damage

www.firstpost.com

Robin Raphel, the ‘obstacle’ in India-U.S. ties

‘Her position was anti-India, but it was also not in the U.S.’s interests’

www.thehindu.com

Veteran US Diplomat Robin L Raphel encouraged creation of Hurriyat Conference in Kashmir

Raphel, remained Americas advisor on Pakistan, even after she left US State Department's South Asia Department in June 1997 and also her retirement.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

I feel Indo-US ties have matured to a certain stage where it cannot be hijacked by one individual.

 

[Deadtrap]

Hehe and they wanted to make dossier abt India.

"Although Pakistan's government cooperated with us on a host of counterterrorism operations and provided a vital supply path for our forces in Afghanistan, it was an open secret that certain elements inside the country's military, and especially its intelligence services, maintained links to the Taliban and perhaps even al-Qaeda, sometimes using them as strategic assets to ensure that the Afghan government remained weak and unable to align itself with Pakistan's number one rival, India," Obama revealed.

Certain elements inside Pakistan military had links to al-Qaeda: Obama on Osama raid

Giving a blow-by-blow account of the Abbottabad raid by American commandos that killed the world's most wanted terrorist on May 2, 2011 in his latest book "A Promised Land", the former US president said that the top secret operation was opposed by the then defence secretary Robert Gates and his...

m.economictimes.com

 

[Jay99]

Hehe and they wanted to make dossier abt India.

"Although Pakistan's government cooperated with us on a host of counterterrorism operations and provided a vital supply path for our forces in Afghanistan, it was an open secret that certain elements inside the country's military, and especially its intelligence services, maintained links to the Taliban and perhaps even al-Qaeda, sometimes using them as strategic assets to ensure that the Afghan government remained weak and unable to align itself with Pakistan's number one rival, India," Obama revealed.

Certain elements inside Pakistan military had links to al-Qaeda: Obama on Osama raid

Giving a blow-by-blow account of the Abbottabad raid by American commandos that killed the world's most wanted terrorist on May 2, 2011 in his latest book "A Promised Land", the former US president said that the top secret operation was opposed by the then defence secretary Robert Gates and his...

m.economictimes.com

Always knew Biden was a PUSSY when it came to national security..... we may see rise of islamic terror attacks & Emboldened IRAN if he takes office

 

[shade]

I feel Indo-US ties have matured to a certain stage where it cannot be hijacked by one individual.

It was never about one or two individuals, it was always about the "deep state" and corporate masters of these individuals, who's will is parroted by their puppets, i.e these individuals.
The reasons may change but Pakistan has always been used as a thorn in India's side to "contain" India.
Ofc a more rational approach of using India to contain China escapes these 4D chess players.

 

[HawkisRight]

It was never about one or two individuals, it was always about the "deep state" and corporate masters of these individuals, who's will is parroted by their puppets, i.e these individuals.
The reasons may change but Pakistan has always been used as a thorn in India's side to "contain" India.
Ofc a more rational approach of using India to contain China escapes these 4D chess players.

Classic Containment Policy...Use Pakis to contain India, Use India to contain China, Use China to contain Russia, Use Russia to contain Europe..Then Who's Left to contain Murica.. Nobody .. Genius of Uncle Sam

 

[Harry101]

Classic Containment Policy...Use Pakis to contain India, Use India to contain China, Use China to contain Russia, Use Russia to contain Europe..Then Who's Left to contain Murica.. Nobody .. Genius of Uncle Sam

And mess up in each and every containment plan creating conflict and sell weapon to both parties.....

 

[shade]

Classic Containment Policy...Use Pakis to contain India, Use India to contain China, Use China to contain Russia, Use Russia to contain Europe..Then Who's Left to contain Murica.. Nobody .. Genius of Uncle Sam

China doesn't contain Russia though, the EU ghulams do, aside from America itself.
You can't contain America, USSR tried it in it's heyday and failed miserably.

 

[NAMICA]

China doesn't contain Russia though, the EU ghulams do, aside from America itself.
You can't contain America, USSR tried it in it's heyday and failed miserably.

And chongs are preventing that.