India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[Abdus Salem killed]

I call it an unsuccessful op, it is not even convincing to me that why will Paki kill their own kids for no reason?

Thier anger is justified

 

[fire starter]

84 pc humidity

 

[not so dravidian]

84 pc humidity
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Can anyone explain what does it mean for 84%, such casualties in BPET??

 

[FalconSlayers]

While DAC is still not moving forward on MQ-9B acquisition!

Better to go for Hermes 900 which IAI-Adani JV is offering, because IAF should not expect Rustom-2 to be Armed, it is a designed reconnaissance UAV. So, MQ-9 Reaper Predator-B are all good, but small numbers, Porkis have 48 WingLoong-II order placed (not a threat for us, seeing their combat record which is quite pathetic), Turkish drones are a threat but not for us, because for any UCAV to operate, all air defence batteries should be neutralised which pakis can’t even dream of, our Integrated Air Defence Network is literally amongst one of the most deadly and advanced on Earth and I’m not exaggerating. While Paki air defence comprises of cheap chinese knockoffs of SAMs and that too are getting old.

 

[fire starter]

Can anyone explain what does it mean for 84%, such casualties in BPET??

For ex.
If the air temperature is 75 degrees Fahrenheit (24 C) and the relative humidity is 100 percent, we feel like it's 80 degrees (27 C) out.

 

[not so dravidian]

While DAC is still not moving forward on MQ-9B acquisition!

Sir the issue is that we r only buying these drones for surveillance.

Army shud have selected GA AVENGER since it's turbofan and can easily maneuver, where as it's the Navy and Air force which needs sea guardian (maybe airforce cud hve also selected avenger however according to their requirements)

I'm 100% sure that DRDO wud have vetoed it, since user trials for RUSTOM 2 has started.

At the same time DRDO's veto is justified this time since the tri-force requirements is only reconnaissance and surveillance.
So this really depends on DRDO

 

[samsaptaka]

Pakistan will do massive RR, invite the UN (useless but our babus are hella scared breed), and then attack us with full force if we even capture 1km of their area.
Unlike Indian babus who are scrambling to find their balls, Pakistanis are scrambling to get 72ed, and they won't care.

See the thing is, China & Pakistan live for optics and propaganda, and if we deal them visible humiliation, they will escalate to any level possible. We on other hand, gladly swallow our pride every time in the name of the "greater good".

Let them invite UN, everyone knows porkies violated UN accord to handover PoK , why should we worry. Even so we must simply stand our ground and reinforce like chinks do. "Attack us with full force"...hmm..and IA is not equal to it ? Don't think so, you don't just do salami slices without proper planning. If politicos allow IA to do it, am very sure IA will plan every contingency and prevent Porkie attacks or defend well. The point is salami slicing will NOT result in nuke warfare. So beats me why politicos and even some top brass are shit scared.

 

[another_armchair]

Om Shanti!

Shit happens but was avoidable.

This was some extreme warrior competition going on. Heads will roll for sure.

 

[samsaptaka]

Slowly slowly the screws are being tightened
that's why momins are getting frightened

More certain steps:
i) Residents of PoK can file civil/criminal cases in J&k high court
ii) Deputy commissioners/magistrates would be appointed for cities of PoK like mirpur, muzaffarabad etc.
iii) Original Residents of PoK who claim to be persecuted can apply for Indian citizenship.

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too slow for my liking. Shooting stone pelters on sight is what is called tightening the screws ..

 

[Apollo]

Pakistan will do massive RR, invite the UN (useless but our babus are hella scared breed), and then attack us with full force if we even capture 1km of their area.
Unlike Indian babus who are scrambling to find their balls, Pakistanis are scrambling to get 72ed, and they won't care.

See the thing is, China & Pakistan live for optics and propaganda, and if we deal them visible humiliation, they will escalate to any level possible. We on other hand, gladly swallow our pride every time in the name of the "greater good".

Just nailed it, no one can put better than this. Clear understanding of our babus

 

[Sir pe tapla]

Om Shanti!

Shit happens but was avoidable.

This was some extreme warrior competition going on. Heads will roll for sure.

This is unacceptable.
This week is not faring well for out troops. So many casualties.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Let them invite UN, everyone knows porkies violated UN accord to handover PoK , why should we worry. Even so we must simply stand our ground and reinforce like chinks do. "Attack us with full force"...hmm..and IA is not equal to it ? Don't think so, you don't just do salami slices without proper planning. If politicos allow IA to do it, am very sure IA will plan every contingency and prevent Porkie attacks or defend well. The point is salami slicing will NOT result in nuke warfare. So beats me why politicos and even some top brass are shit scared.

Let them invite UN, everyone knows porkies violated UN accord to handover PoK , why should we worry.

So apparently we do care, (or our babus care about a clean image, IDK). I have been told by serving personnel on LoC that the only reason we do not capture their posts is we are afraid of being scrutinized by the UN for being warmongers.
It sounds hilarious, I know, but it is true.

"Attack us with full force"...hmm..and IA is not equal to it ? Don't think so, you don't just do salami slices without proper planning. If politicos allow IA to do it, am very sure IA will plan every contingency and prevent Porkie attacks or defend well.

You are perfectly right, but you see, the thing is if Pakistan escalates, we won't. Not that we can't, but we won't since no leadership will allow it.
I saw this tragedy happening on 27th Feb, when stars were all aligned, we were in perfect position, had a perfect alibi, China wasn't knocking on our doors, right-wing govt. ruled both India and America, even the Indian population was baying for blood.

And Pakistan did exactly what I said, they escalated disproportionately by attacking our military compared to our attack which targeted only terror infrastructure.

 

[Sir pe tapla]

Run was scheduled at 0600 hrs. Troops had been waiting there from 0530 hrs. Then it got further delayed to 1000 hours as the goc came to flag it off at 0930 hrs.

And now, popats who haven't run a single day in their lives, let alone in extreme humidity and after such a long wait in humid conditions are talking about fitness of our troops.

 

[Sir pe tapla]

So apparently we do care, (or our babus care about a clean image, IDK). I have been told by serving personnel on LoC that the only reason we do not capture their posts is we are afraid of being scrutinized by the UN for being warmongers.
It sounds hilarious, I know, but it is true.



You are perfectly right, but you see, the thing is if Pakistan escalates, we won't. Not that we can't, but we won't since no leadership will allow it.
I saw this tragedy happening on 27th Feb, when stars were all aligned, we were in perfect position, had a perfect alibi, China wasn't knocking on our doors, right-wing govt. ruled both India and America, even the Indian population was baying for blood.

And Pakistan did exactly what I said, they escalated disproportionately by attacking our military compared to our attack which targeted only terror infrastructure.

Indra Gandhi is quite a controversial figure of our time, but from the interviews with Generals and some of the books I have read only goes to show how aggresive of a woman she was. Always wanting to preemptively take action and someone who didn't hesitate at all to use Military as a statecraft and didn't give a lot of fks as to what the great powers of the world could do.

We need someone aggresive again.

 

[samsaptaka]

hmmm….some of the things he says seems correct…
I
1. for example our military power - Army and Air Force is not as much as it should be. We still believe in a manpower-sacrificing war fight. We don’t believe in building our military power to a point where Porkis don’t even think of messing with us. This is a given. Be it pushing terrorists across the border or actually daring to retaliate on Feb 27 (even if for show - sawhney is lying when he says they crossed the LoC. they did not.), we are unable to create a deterrence. After the Feb 26 attack, the Porkis should have been pissing in their pants. They shouldn’t have (even for scoring PR points) been allowed the Feb 27 charade. The same thing goes for surgical strikes - that did not deter them. They did Pulwama right after that.
2. We have been way too quiet on paki acquisition of nukes and missiles. Neither did we try to actively curtail their program or develop hacking capabilities or some other mechanism that makes their nukes ineffective. At the end of the day, the Porkis do have nukes and that does give them a fall back option should everything collapse over there. Have we thought of how exactly to enforce deterrence in this scenario? Look at how Israel is giving Iran a real tough time in acquiring nukes. Have we done anything like that?
3. We seem to be betting on the long game - grow our economy (and hence our military power) to a point where they won’t mess with us. But the point remains that deterrence must be enforced today. How is that Porkis are messing with a SSBN power? No nation in the world has ever messed with an SSBN power. India is the only country with an SSBN platform that gets messed with by the Porkis, openly. On top of that we are an aircraft carrier and missile power as well. If we are unwilling to project power for deterrence, what are these expensive toys for?
4. Inability to project power has serious consequences for us. We will not get a seat at the UNSC. We will only be a nominal player in international grouping. Paki Terrorists will brazenly attack us. Chinese will continue to mess alongside the borders. Overall, the world will think that we are incapable of providing net security to smaller nations. Even business people may think that we have a weak government unable to enforce security.
5. While Pravin Sawhney is an A grade liar, there are some points he makes that are relevant - establishing deterrence via building an overwhelming military power should be what the armed forces should be working toward. And we are still not. We should have salami sliced into PoK and GB and grabbed territory every time there’s been an attack, and increased the holding costs immensely. Why the heck we don’t do such things is beyond me? Sometimes I wonder if legacy issues such as a Sikh/Punjabi dominated army comes in the way of exercising overwhelming firepower in the Porkis. Maybe the Indian Punjabi generals think of the Pakistani Punjabi generals as not deserving of such overwhelming response due to cultural affinities? Whatever it is, IA and IAF must figure out ways to deter the Porkis once and for all.

Spot on ! Overall its the laid back kursi holding political attitude with zero strategic policy and traitorous congi policies who consider porks to be a lost friend coupled with IA not applying pressure on govt for continuous deaths of soldiers due to pork actions that has led to this sad state of affairs. If the same had happened with any other nation guaranteed revenge would have been swift.

 

[samsaptaka]

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Anyone know if RAW is financially or otherwise supporting BLA , or its just copium ?

 

[Cheetah007]

This was avoidable. It's partly negligence. If there was one soldier dehydrated, I would have said ok this is an outlier. But seeing that many soldiers, I'm thinking no way..... could they have been poisoned by the enemies?

 

[not so dravidian]

Indra Gandhi is quite a controversial figure of our time, but from the interviews with Generals and some of the books I have read only goes to show how aggresive of a woman she was. Always wanting to preemptively take action and someone who didn't hesitate at all to use Military as a statecraft and didn't give a lot of fks as to what the great powers of the world could do.

We need someone aggresive again.

Despite being aggressive, even she wasn't able to overcome the kashmir gang.
Infact it was under her regime taht Dn Jha and other fake historians were inserted by Soviets.
Though she said we need to revive our culture, by then she was ded

However, Indra was the best bet aganist Chinese

 

[samsaptaka]

I must have read thousands of negative references to Pakistan on this website. Any positive comment made about Pakistan seems to have evoked a storm of abuse.

Where on this site can I see this appreciation of any positives emanating from Pakistan? As for Indians not caring about the negatives... don't make me laugh.

Do you really believe what you wrote there?

I think your expectation of appreciation of positives from pork land (if there is any i.e) would vanish in a jiff once your homeland experiences the ugly truth of jehad. But given that in general outsiders always support porks and abrahamic faiths in general, I don't expect your attitude to change.

 

[samsaptaka]

Kindly forgive us for not singing paeans for a nation that uses terror as a state policy against our country.

Not to mention a state whose people and faith were actively encouraged by brits to wage war on us Hindoos so that they could continue to loot, pillage and destroy us