India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[Marliii]

Mostly to be used by apache attack helicopter.
Hellfire is meant for chinki.
We have cheap French milan and Russian Konkurs atgm for them.
Why to waste our best weaponry on these beggar. Porki don't deserved to be attacked from this type of missile.
Even their bunkers is cheaper than cost of this type of missile.

Porky bunkers don't even need missiles carl gustav can take care of them.

 

[Maitreya Shyam]

 

[shashankk]

Taking this with pinch of salt. Not a good news if true.

Pakistani army: Afghan soldiers flee attack, cross border - Times of India

Pakistan News: ISLAMABAD: Dozens of Afghan soldiers slipped across the border into northwestern Pakistan, the Pakistani army said on Monday.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

So many intellectual farts(locals & foreigners) on SM discussing the possibility of Indian boots in Afghanistan to prevent the takeover by Taliban... & all this is being done to tease Indians, make fun of Indian army

But logically... the only way to prevent Talibs from taking Afghanistan is to "squeeze out" the Paki army elements from Taliban & that can only be done by aggression on LOC... by grabbing land through a limited offensive in Sept-Oct... so whatever that astrologer has said about Nov-Feb period gets preponed to Sept-Oct.

Why this late in Sept-Oct... why not now? The onset of winters will help in consolidation of territories gained. so everything will be done in a brief window.

After US withdrawal on Aug 31... we will wait for Pakistanis to completely devote themselves in Afghanistan (with the confidence that "hindu baniya" won't do any misadventure on Eastern front... as our history suggests)... & when Pakis get fully embroiled there... India makes move in 1-2 chosen places of POK... shallow move... 10-15km deep... that's it.

hope something happens. indications are there.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

if you want US foreign policy to be friendly to India, invest in the US. China is banned because of their belligerent behavior and espionage. Every other country that invests into the US has good relationships with the country. E.g Israel, Japan, SK, Singapore, Saudi, Australia, UK. Perception of Indians matters, Indian founders becoming successful with funding from India creates more affinity towards India and goodwill when Americans are hired. This is how China gained so much influence in science and engineering. They fucked up by letting it get to their head and started messing with other countries. Indians need to act at the country’s global standing, not beg American and Chinese investors to start building wealth. Indian investors need to divest from real estate / gold and invest into tech, AI deep tech and be prepared to pay Silicon Valley prices on valuation. Then you will have a very friendly US foreign policy.

Where exactly are Indians “begging” American and Chinese investors? In fact India’s policies towards US companies in India are a lot stricter than their traditional alliance partners. US is not the #1 FDI investor. If anything, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Russia and some EU nations invest a lot more in India in big ticket infrastructure projects. US FDI investments into India are limited to technology sectors. Many US companies such as GM, Ford, Harley Davidson have failed in India as they couldn’t compete with innovations from Japanes, Korean and Indian companies.
And there’s no question of “begging” the Chinese. Lol. The Chinese are for most part banned from investing into India, other than in non-strategic sectors.
The reality is India‘s deep alliances are with Japan, Korea, Singapore, Russia, France, and UK. The US frankly - Indian Americans or not - has been very distant and is not thought of as a trustworthy, strategic partner in India. The US is unable to earn the “trusted partner” tag with India unlike Russia and Japan.
For me, india-Japan alliance is the most feasible and motivated to balance out China. The US can supply technology but India-Japan counter China for territorial and real security reasons, unlike the US which is far away from China and its only reason is to tame down Chinese competition. Despite all the military agreements with the US, when push comes to shove it is india and Japan and Taiwanese (though I am beginning to largely doubt their intentions these days) that will actually fight the Chinese. What the US, Russia, Australia, EU etc will actually do, remains to be seen. All these countries really do not have much stake against China as India and Japan do.
And that is why I am learning Japanese.

 

[srevster]

Where exactly are Indians “begging” American and Chinese investors? In fact India’s policies towards US companies in India are a lot stricter than their traditional alliance partners. US is not the #1 FDI investor. If anything, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Russia and some EU nations invest a lot more in India in big ticket infrastructure projects. US FDI investments into India are limited to technology sectors. Many US companies such as GM, Ford, Harley Davidson have failed in India as they couldn’t compete with innovations from Japanes, Korean and Indian companies.
And there’s no question of “begging” the Chinese. Lol. The Chinese are for most part banned from investing into India, other than in non-strategic sectors.
The reality is India‘s deep alliances are with Japan, Korea, Singapore, Russia, France, and UK. The US frankly - Indian Americans or not - has been very distant and is not thought of as a trustworthy, strategic partner in India. The US is unable to earn the “trusted partner” tag with India unlike Russia and Japan.
For me, india-Japan alliance is the most feasible and motivated to balance out China. The US can supply technology but India-Japan counter China for territorial and real security reasons, unlike the US which is far away from China and its only reason is to tame down Chinese competition. Despite all the military agreements with the US, when push comes to shove it is india and Japan and Taiwanese (though I am beginning to largely doubt their intentions these days) that will actually fight the Chinese. What the US, Russia, Australia, EU etc will actually do, remains to be seen. All these countries really do not have much stake against China as India and Japan do.
And that is why I am learning Japanese.

it’s not the amount of FDI that matters. It’s the investment into core technology. The Chinese dominate investments into Silicon Valley companies. Many VC funds have LPs who are CCP members. These investment pools create a pro-China lobby. These startups are picked up at the seed stage. Once they grow into multi-billion dollar companies, the board is obligated to increase shareholder value. If CCP members are the LPs of VC funds, how do you think board policy will be formulated?

you have a naive perspective. For every one Japanese investment into valley companies, there are 5 from Chinese VCs. Sometimes many Japanese VCs have Chinese managing partners as the fund manager since they need to co-invest and get into the hottest deals. The Chinese tried this same strategy in India to scoop up Indian companies at an early stage. Now China is reaping the benefits of those investments. Investors are trained to rally shares when a US companies declares entry to Chinese market. China immediately invests into a local competitor, steals the technology and then kicks out the US company. But at this point it’s too late. The founders are conditioned at the seed stage to go after Chinese money since it’s the easiest money with the highest appetite for risk. If you want the best Indian minds worldwide to create value for India, then India needs to ramp up an aggressive investment strategy to support the Indian diaspora. Otherwise, if the only connection The Indian diaspora has is sending money home to their parents; their motivation will be to seek American and Chinese VC funding. This perpetual cycle will continue to bar India. The point of integration is to invest into the earliest stage companies in the valley, take board seats and influence the companies To be friendly To India before they become giants.

 

[srevster]

The only VC market that matters is the US.

we need to develop a portfolio of multi-billion dollar startups by using Indian investments and help raise the profile of Indian VCs in the valley. This is how you foster soft power.

 

[ketaki]

afghanistan is literally a SANDAS and pakistan is the GAAN*... USA just tried to clean the shit spread by PAK in AFG...did not think of PAK will defecate again after cleaning and is the root cause of the mess

India should focus more on PAK than AFG...stop wasting our taxpayers money in useless schools, dams, bridges, parliament bldng in AFG
..
.
.
.
.
.
.
(FYI... in case you are wondering

!Sl@m is the laxative provided by saudis to PAK)

 

[Lost user]

So many intellectual farts(locals & foreigners) on SM discussing the possibility of Indian boots in Afghanistan to prevent the takeover by Taliban... & all this is being done to tease Indians, make fun of Indian army

But logically... the only way to prevent Talibs from taking Afghanistan is to "squeeze out" the Paki army elements from Taliban & that can only be done by aggression on LOC... by grabbing land through a limited offensive in Sept-Oct... so whatever that astrologer has said about Nov-Feb period gets preponed to Sept-Oct.

Why this late in Sept-Oct... why not now? The onset of winters will help in consolidation of territories gained. so everything will be done in a brief window.

After US withdrawal on Aug 31... we will wait for Pakistanis to completely devote themselves in Afghanistan (with the confidence that "hindu baniya" won't do any misadventure on Eastern front... as our history suggests)... & when Pakis get fully embroiled there... India makes move in 1-2 chosen places of POK... shallow move... 10-15km deep... that's it.

hope something happens. indications are there.

Fond hopes my friend... won't happen..

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

The only VC market that matters is the US.

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we need to develop a portfolio of multi-billion dollar startups by using Indian investments and help raise the profile of Indian VCs in the valley. This is how you foster soft power.

Firstly this data is from 2013. The VC-PE investment has changed quite a lot. Secondly Chinese VC investments in India are minuscule. See this report:

http://about.crunchbase.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Crunchbase_State_of_Funding_Covid_FINAL.pdf

these days India leads China in VC inves by quite a margin.
and no, we cannot do criminal activities like the CCP money laundering via “investments” in startups. You should not be recommending such criminal actions. Such companies never grow and are never sustainable. No strong, reputed brands can be created from criminal investments.

what India is doing is the right thing. Companies with strong business models getting funded. Today we are the largest recipients of VC in Asia. And we don’t allow Chinese VC investments. That is quite telling.
I do not subscribe to the CCP’s backdoor ways of cornering and stealing technology - that is not going to work in the long run as China is finding out. When companies in France want to work legally with India to transfer technology like the jet engine that’s because India is regarded as a place where IP rights are reasonably protected. The advantage from building a country’s reputation is much more than becoming isolated like the CCP occupied China has become.
Plus VC investments pale in comparison to investments needed for infrastructure. India invested $1 trillion in infrastructure in the last decade and now wants to invest $1 trillion in the next 5 years. $20-30 billion VC investments in technology pales in front of these. What we need the US and Indian Americans to do is invest heavily into infrastructure build up in India that can help build a large purchasing power based market. Americans are nowhere to be seen in Indian infrastructure sector except a few funds like Blackstone. Certainly no Indian American businesses are actively investing. Compare this to how active gulf-based and Singapore-based funds plus Japan are. They are investing all over India. Japanese loan for the HSR is one of the most lenient deals in infrastructure builds ever. Can the US government offer such cheap, long gestation loans? This is why we trust the Japanese much much more.
Applications such as AI are overrated. The mass market for such technology where they make real difference in people’s lives has not arrived yet in India. Same for robotics. Though several indian companies are working on industrial robotics products like automated sewer cleaners, with some even deployed. So the demand-based innovation ecosystem is there.
FDI and not VC investments is the correct barometer for India’s growth and this is where the US government and Indian Americans must open their wallets. The US must finance big ticket infrastructure projects in India and have a stake in the country if it wants to be considered a strategic partner. Supplying weapons in transactional deals or just doing regular business deals can never make the US a trusted strategic partner of India. If the US sets up say a $200 billion infrastructure fund for India that matches the Japanese lending terms, then the opinions toward the US can be more favorable, as the US would now have a significant stake in building up actual indians’ lives. Until then it is India-Japan for sure.

 

[srevster]

Firstly this data is from 2013. The VC-PE investment has changed quite a lot. Secondly Chinese VC investments in India are minuscule. See this report:

http://about.crunchbase.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Crunchbase_State_of_Funding_Covid_FINAL.pdf

these days India leads China in VC inves by quite a margin.
and no, we cannot do criminal activities like the CCP money laundering via “investments” in startups. You should not be recommending such criminal actions. Such companies never grow and are never sustainable. No strong, reputed brands can be created from criminal investments.

what India is doing is the right thing. Companies with strong business models getting funded. Today we are the largest recipients of VC in Asia. And we don’t allow Chinese VC investments. That is quite telling.
I do not subscribe to the CCP’s backdoor ways of cornering and stealing technology - that is not going to work in the long run as China is finding out. When companies in France want to work legally with India to transfer technology like the jet engine that’s because India is regarded as a place where IP rights are reasonably protected. The advantage from building a country’s reputation is much more than becoming isolated like the CCP occupied China has become.
Plus VC investments pale in comparison to investments needed for infrastructure. India invested $1 trillion in infrastructure in the last decade and now wants to invest $1 trillion in the next 5 years. $20-30 billion VC investments in technology pales in front of these. What we need the US and Indian Americans to do is invest heavily into infrastructure build up in India that can help build a large purchasing power based market. Americans are nowhere to be seen in Indian infrastructure sector except a few funds like Blackstone. Certainly no Indian American businesses are actively investing. Compare this to how active gulf-based and Singapore-based funds plus Japan are. They are investing all over India. Japanese loan for the HSR is one of the most lenient deals in infrastructure builds ever. Can the US government offer such cheap, long gestation loans? This is why we trust the Japanese much much more.
Applications such as AI are overrated. The mass market for such technology where they make real difference in people’s lives has not arrived yet in India. Same for robotics. Though several indian companies are working on industrial robotics products like automated sewer cleaners, with some even deployed. So the demand-based innovation ecosystem is there.
FDI and not VC investments is the correct barometer for India’s growth and this is where the US government and Indian Americans must open their wallets. The US must finance big ticket infrastructure projects in India and have a stake in the country if it wants to be considered a strategic partner. Supplying weapons in transactional deals or just doing regular business deals can never make the US a trusted strategic partner of India. If the US sets up say a $200 billion infrastructure fund for India that matches the Japanese lending terms, then the opinions toward the US can be more favorable, as the US would now have a significant stake in building up actual indians’ lives. Until then it is India-Japan for sure.

you keep bringing up infra. Google, Amazon, Twitter, Facebook, Tesla, Waymo, Aurora, Argo, Rivian are not infra investments. What do they all have in common? No Indian investors and plenty of Chinese ones. they are the companies that represent that next 5 trillion dollar economy for the US. You can’t compare the two. Infra spend is expected and something that India should be doing. But don’t expect to be a world leader unless you play in the VC world. If you ask these companies to choose their loyalties, which country will they pick?

to the entrepreneur, it doesn’t matter how they revived the money as long as they recognize the VC brand. They can put the money to work to create investor value.

you are thinking about investments into Indian startups in India. In 2022 that is slated to be around $50b. It is still 6 times smaller than the US. If you want a seat at the leadership table, india needs to create interdependence between the US and India where both countries succeed by working together. This is done by investments into US firms at an early stage. For india, it is imperative that it backs its diaspora with cold hard cash to go out and conquer the world. That is how the Spanish, the British, the Americans and now the Chinese operate. If you can’t see that pattern; it’s a bit silly to keep harping infra investments. We need to play ball in the countries where we want to grow our presence by being outward facing and not just insular with FDI coming into India.

 

[Ayushraj]

afghanistan is literally a SANDAS and pakistan is the GAAN*... USA just tried to clean the shit spread by PAK in AFG...did not think of PAK will defecate again after cleaning and is the root cause of the mess

India should focus more on PAK than AFG...stop wasting our taxpayers money in useless schools, dams, bridges, parliament bldng in AFG
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(FYI... in case you are wondering

!Sl@m is the laxative provided by saudis to PAK)

What about maldives, Secyllesand sri Lanka.
India has more aid to them as compared to Afghanistan. Afghanistan has got just 3 billion dollar aid but sri Lanka and Maldives got huge aid as compares to them Afghanistan.
Even after giving so much to sri Lanka and maldives they abuse us and force us to do more in pretext that we will give bases to China and they are doing it also.

 

[Marliii]

What about maldives, Secyllesand sri Lanka.
India has more aid to them as compared to Afghanistan. Afghanistan has got just 3 billion dollar aid but sri Lanka and Maldives got huge aid as compares to them Afghanistan.
Even after giving so much to sri Lanka and maldives they abuse us and force us to do more in pretext that we will give bases to China and they are doing it also.

Let them give bases.so in war they will also taste brahmos.Maldives,and sreelanka are shameless con countries

 

[hawwk]

afghanistan is literally a SANDAS and pakistan is the GAAN*... USA just tried to clean the shit spread by PAK in AFG...did not think of PAK will defecate again after cleaning and is the root cause of the mess

India should focus more on PAK than AFG...stop wasting our taxpayers money in useless schools, dams, bridges, parliament bldng in AFG
..
.
.
.
.
.
.
(FYI... in case you are wondering

!Sl@m is the laxative provided by saudis to PAK)

We do need schools, damn, bridges. Otherwise teen youth icon Rahul Gandi would complain with his shit again and with his bar dancer mom.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Le paki tanks

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Add 1/3rd more considering Indian Army procured 6 additional AH-64E Apache Helicopters.

 

[Spitfire9]

So

Let them give bases.so in war they will also taste brahmos.Maldives,and sreelanka are shameless con countries

I don't have any knowledge of India's relationship with Maldives or Sri Lanka. If relations with Sri Lanka are bad, why is India thinking of selling LCA to Sri Lanka?

 

[Ayushraj]

So

I don't have any knowledge of India's relationship with Maldives or Sri Lanka. If relations with Sri Lanka are bad, why is India thinking of selling LCA to Sri Lanka?

Since sri Lanka after end of civil war was very happy with porki and chinki aid.
Even sri Lanka was eager to buy jf17 and al khalid tank. This can be a huge export booster for these porki products.
So that why India offered lca tejas in order to pressurize sri Lanka to stop jf17. We succeed in this.
After covid crisis sri lanka is going to modify it's own old Israeli jet kfir

 

[janme]

Europe Parliament To Withdraw Pakistan's GSP+ Status Over Abuse Of Blasphemy Laws
Pakistan was obliged to implement 27 core conventions on human rights, environmental protection, and good governance to keep GSP+ status, Europe stated.
Written By
Zaini Majeed

IMAGE: AP/EU parliament/ODF

European Parliament on Monday declared that it was withdrawing Pakistan’s GSP+ status over the controversial Blasphemy laws. Earlier in April, the EU had adopted a joint motion for a resolution on the blasphemy laws in Pakistan as it urged the Islamic Republic to opt for a more comprehensive approach to address the abuses of blasphemy laws. Pakistan attracted condemnation for convicting a Christian couple of blasphemy in an apex court, who were both handed death by hanging sentence in 2013 despite that the couple was illiterate and the alleged blasphemous message was in English.

An EU political report published on July 26 by Philippe Jeune highlighted that Islamabad was trading opportunities offered by the EU Generalised Scheme of Preferences (GSP) as a major beneficiary.

“From January 1, 2014, Pakistan has benefited from generous tariff preferences (mostly zero duties on two-thirds of all product categories) under the so-called GSP+ arrangement aiming to support sustainable development and good governance,” the declassified report read. It goes on to add that Pakistan was obliged to ratify and effectively implement 27 core international conventions on human and labour rights, environmental protection, and good governance in order to keep its GSP+ status intact.

READ | Pakistan-occupied Kashmir polls affected by violence; Opposition mulls 'calling India'

However, in view of the global condemnation of Pakistan’s controversial Blasphemy Laws, the European Parliament has called into question the status quo of the country's GSP+ benefits.
“Abuse of Blasphemy Laws in Islamabad is a major concern, and cases have been widely reported,” the EU political report alleged. A Joint Motion for a Resolution, backed by all major global political groups, and MEPs, pushed the EU to conduct an immediate review of Pakistan’s eligibility for GSP+ status earlier this year. The decision, considered appropriate, was the withdrawal of Islamabad’s status.
READ | Pakistan: 'Barbaric murder' of former ambassador's daughter triggers outrage



The EU scrapped Pakistan’s GSP+ status, stating that the parliamentarians agreed that Pakistan exploits citizens under the blasphemy laws, which the country uses to “incite harassment, violence, and murder against those being accused, causing people who are accused of blasphemy to have to fear for their lives regardless of the outcome of judicial procedures.” The report further quoted the EU parliament as saying that Pakistan’s Blasphemy laws were often abused to serve in the interest of the accuser and that the country has the highest rate of enforcement of blasphemy laws. Victims of blasphemy were sentenced to death for defamation of Islam, or defamation of the prophet.

READ | Pakistan army says 46 Afghan soldiers cross border seeking refuge amid Taliban offensive

USCIRF found blasphemy laws in 85 countries 'criminalized expression'
Earlier, The United States Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) released a groundbreaking report that found nearly eighty-four countries worldwide maintained laws that criminalized expression which insulted or offended the religious doctrines. The USCIRF highlighted illustrative examples to demonstrate the plethora of ways that governments’ enforcement of blasphemy laws undermines human rights, including freedom of religion or belief and freedom of expression. “USCIRF has consistently called on countries to abolish blasphemy laws,” said USCIRF Vice Chair Tony Perkins. “The existence of blasphemy laws empowers extremists to take the law into their own hands and employ violence extrajudicially. In just one example, we have recently seen a devastating uptick in mob violence related to blasphemy allegations in Pakistan.”

- Republic World

www.republicworld.com

It seems that this news is incorrect, since nobody else is reporting this. Also from pak media:-

Pakistan rubbishes Indian media’s ‘malicious propaganda’ | The Express Tribune

Media report speculating withdrawal of special status is fabricated, says Foreign Office

tribune.com.pk

Replublic world is unnecessary pasting click bait titles.

 

[Marliii]

So

I don't have any knowledge of India's relationship with Maldives or Sri Lanka. If relations with Sri Lanka are bad, why is India thinking of selling LCA to Sri Lanka?

Relations aren't bad.but these countries are like "india give us money or we will go and lick china" and use same against china.they are trying emulate the wolf drinking the blood of the two fighting goats

 

[FalconSlayers]

It seems that this news is incorrect, since nobody else is reporting this. Also from pak media:-

Pakistan rubbishes Indian media’s ‘malicious propaganda’ | The Express Tribune

Media report speculating withdrawal of special status is fabricated, says Foreign Office

tribune.com.pk

Replublic world is unnecessary pasting click bait titles.

Why do they think Indian Media represents India? Pakis have to show their stupidity somewhere.