India opens bids in $10.4-bn combat plane tender.

[thakur_ritesh]

can you guys throw some light on political decision for the deal.

when the deal goes to Rafale

when the deal goes to EF

or when the order is split 100+100 for both.

what are the benefits PMO and MEA is looking at.

Saya,

if its a political deal, i dont see how french are going to get it. their kitty is already full with scorpion, engine, mirage, and others, as such there is talk of 3 more subs from them. they have enough billions to rest on. think of it, they are quoting 20b usd, france walking away with all that, i would be stunned.

on the other hand there are germany, italy, and spain from whom we have had limited military equipment purchase in the past, and with this deal the scope of furthering that aspect and having a windfall political influence increases many folds.

there are 4 nations to 1, and i dont see what is it that france could be bringing in so substantial politically that germany and britian in particular cant provide us, heck germany could alone be more than a match.

this is no way will be a 50:50 ratio.

if its a political decision, though antony has denied it, and i would like to believe him, no way is rafale walking away with this one.

 

[Patriot]

Personally I like Rafale because of it's exclusivity, but we can have better political mileage by selecting EF. In addition, EF is still evolving so further inclusion of 5th gen tech. sensor suit, radar, EW, engine etc will be better in EF at the end of the day compare to Rafale.

 

[SPIEZ]

Saya,

if its a political deal, i dont see how french are going to get it. their kitty is already full with scorpion, engine, mirage, and others, as such there is talk of 3 more subs from them. they have enough billions to rest on. think of it, they are quoting 20b usd, france walking away with all that, i would be stunned.

on the other hand there are germany, Italy, and spain from whom we have had limited military equipment purchase in the past, and with this deal the scope of furthering that aspect and having a windfall political influence increases many folds.

there are 4 nations to 1, and i dont see what is it that france could be bringing in so substantial politically that germany and britian in particular cant provide us, heck germany could alone be more than a match.

this is no way will be a 50:50 ratio.

if its a political decision, though antony has denied it, and i would like to believe him, no way is rafale walking away with this one.

Why am I certain it's the EF typhoon that's going to win, all of a sudden.

 

[nitesh]

in long run we can afford to have 100+100 of both aircrafts, if you look at other state of other military procurements, powerful airforce is good option, if they can have common systems in both the planes, if EU countries can do that, they can recover from bad eco crises, we on our part would most of Europe on our side with this mega deal.

If that happens China will be frustrated and Pakistan would be economically bankrupt if they tried to match us.

Both can be different in terms of systems, but both should be able to use the same weapons, which can reduce the logistics burden to an extent. The only problem I think in that it will divide air force in to two broad camps, one with Russian weapon systems and other with Western weapon systems. Mirage with upgrades will be able to fire newer weapons which both EF and Rafale can use. Mig 29, MKI will use different weapons.

I am keeping Mig21 (various variants), Jaguar and MiG27 out of the equation, as they will retire in shorter time frame. LCA will use mix and match weapons, not much can be said about it as of now.

This is not an easy scenario to manage, but knowing the kind of inventories we have managed, I think the top leadership is looking at this option.

If ultimately it comes down to choosing one, that it should be EF.

 

[nitesh]

Why am I certain it's the EF typhoon that's going to win, all of a sudden.

Why you are trying to invent a CT?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Both can be different in terms of systems, but both should be able to use the same weapons, which can reduce the logistics burden to an extent. The only problem I think in that it will divide air force in to two broad camps, one with Russian weapon systems and other with Western weapon systems. Mirage with upgrades will be able to fire newer weapons which both EF and Rafale can use. MKI will use same weapons.

As per Super - 30 upgrade, MKI will be using foreign A2A weaponry..

MRCA & MKI will be using same types of Weaponry..

 

[SPIEZ]

Why you are trying to invent a CT?

I will refrain from saying further because it will tend to be Off-Topic.

 

[nitesh]

I will refrain from saying further because it will tend to be Off-Topic.

Exactly, thanks for understanding

 

[nitesh]

As per Super - 30 upgrade, MKI will be using foreign A2A weaponry..

MRCA & MKI will be using same types of Weaponry..

So all in all more commonality of weapons, the dark card will be once our developed systems start to get mature. I think MKI will not have issues, hope to see the same flexibility from MRCA winner too.

 

[JAISWAL]

India to wrap up MMRCA deal in four weeks: IAF Chief

India to wrap up MMRCA deal in four weeks: IAF Chief

French Dassault Rafale (Left) and European Eurofighter (Right).

BANGALORE (PTI): IAF will make public in four weeks the winner of India's biggest-ever Rs 42,000 crore military contract to acquire 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA), Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne said here.

"We are calculating very hard. There is a lot of work going on. I expect (in) another four weeks, we should be able to wrap it up", Browne told reporters here amid intense flurry among the two remaining contenders Eurofighter and Dassault's Rafale.

"By mid-December we should have very good sense of who has been selected", he said after inaugurating the 51st conference of Indian Society of Aerospace Medicine (ISAM) at the Institute of Aerospace Medicine here.

Asked if he expects cost escalation vis-a-vis the contract, the Air Chief Marshal said, "I can't tell you anything till the time we finish that work".

The Defence Ministry had shortlisted France's Dassault Aviation SA's Rafale and EADS' Eurofighter Typhoon in April.

Commercial bids from the two shortlisted vendors were opened on November four, marking the culmination of almost decade-long hunt for India's new mainline fighter.

On the process of selection, the Air Chief said there are a lot of complicated calculations and figures that needed to be checked and re-checked.
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India to wrap up medium multi-role combat aircraft deal in four weeks: IAF Chief N A K Browne - The Economic Times

 

[Eiffe]

i hope they declare the winners this time around.

 

[Eiffe]

[h=1]Black Rafale Aerial Ballet:thumb:[/h]

 

[Galaxy]

 

[Galaxy]

 

[himanshugoswami]

Suman Sharma has totally lost it......she is talking through her hat!

 

[communismforindia]

Suman Sharma has totally lost it......she is talking through her hat!

Most of the Indian media is either run by the vatican, the saudi govt. or our dear chinkis... many sharmas and dutts (if you know who I am talkin bout) have large appetites for money... so dont be so shocked if you see such idiotic news. Besides, the russian fgfa will be inducted somewhere around 2017 in the IAF , but the chinki j-10 wont be inducted till 2020 ... so we dont have to worry about that, besides... these planes are 4.99999999 gen aircrafts...

 

[Zebra]

F-35 Lightning II News
US trying to sell the F-35 jets to India ,
November 21, 2011 (by Jason Hodgkiss) - As reported in both mainstream and aviation focused media, that the US government has been pushing the 5th Gen Fighter the F-35 to the Indian air force. This is after recent success with the C-17 and the 737 based P-8I been sold to India.

With India rejecting older generation U.S. aircraft -- the Lockheed's "Block 70" F-16 and the Boeing F-18 Hornet (including the Super Hornet) with New Delhi shortlisting European defence firms Dassault and Eurofighter for the contract for 126 jet fighters.

Despite, India having embarked on the path to co-develop its own 5th-Gen fighter, based on the Russian Sukhoi T-50 prototype, with New Delhi and Moscow inking a $295-million preliminary design contract (PDC) last December.

In a nine-page Pentagon report said the US Defense Department was continually looking for ways to expand defence cooperation with India, including joint development of arms as the military-to-military relationship matures.
( F-16.net )

:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::

looks like Indian paid media is on it's best .

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Suman Sharma is saying what is been told and made to believe..

 

[tony4562]

Why drag China into this? An India-China military conflict is about as likely to happen as a meteorite ripping through your house tonight. An indo-pakistan conflict however though remote at this point of time, can not be completely ruled out. But in that case, India would be facing the entire might of the gulf-states and the muslim world in general. Basically India would be facing primarily cutting-edge weapons made in the west. Also since Pakistan, despite of fallouts from the bin Laden raid, is still a key non-NATO ally, should india be the one to initiate conflict, India would certainly have to face the wrath of the entire US arsenal as well.

That would be truely funny: focusing entirely on China while all the while US is the only real external enermy. Don't think China will come to India's aid though, neither will Russia, basically everyone will stand on the sideline.

 

[Dovah]

But in that case, India would be facing the entire might of the gulf-states and the muslim world in general. Basically India would be facing primarily cutting-edge weapons made in the west. Also since Pakistan, despite of fallouts from the bin Laden raid, is still a key non-NATO ally, should india be the one to initiate conflict, India would certainly have to face the wrath of the entire US arsenal as well.

This is like the worst analysis ever.