India Cold Start Doctrine and Pakistan's Tactical Nukes

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We can also fly caps.as I said above,iaf and paf will fight for air Superiority and ground troops will only move after one air Force completely dominate skies.
Well PAF may fight for air superirority, (will fail miserably) while IAF, IN and IA give you a direct thrashing in day light, if you expect that India will wait for air dominance to use other services you're seriously a nutter, perhaps why your folk seem to be good at loosing wars.
 

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.friendship of China and pakistan is bigger than anything.
Yet they chose Beijing Mayor to recieve their trusted ally nation's PM.
therefore we have prepared ourselves to deal with any possible conflict against India.
Price hike for common commodities will dent your preparations.
we received a cargo full of (....) Xd.china stands with Pakistan and it's great.
That is exactly what Indians are expecting. Bleed Chinese resources. Chinese troops won't fight your wars. Without fuel , food it doesn't matter how many (...) you got. Don't forget your countrymen have guns , last thing you don't want is them pointing those barrels against your government.
 

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RAAD can only be carried on Mirages. The blunder in thunder is in it's ground clearance. RAAD will not be considered a threat by India. Babur is more like a conventional cruise missile but there are serious questions on it's range.

NASR will cost Pakistan a lot. One, when you use it within your own land, the no-first-use disappears exposing Pakistan to nuclear retaliation with better missiles. Two, India can easily open other sectors with the same cold start strategy. How many times will Pakistan nuclear bomb itself?

The only nuclear strategy that Pakistan can use is going all out but that would also mean it's end with substantial losses to India too. Regardless of how loosely Pakistanis talk about aatmi bambs, their leadership knows going nuclear is not an option but is only an effective black mail. India called out this lie with strikes in Balakot. At most, Pakistanis tried to do what we did to them. It was unsuccessful, and the reaction was what we all knew from the beginning. Pakistan has to live with this paradigm shift in this newer offensive Indian strategy.

In summary, 9.99% of all confrontation that happens between India and Pakistan will be conventional where India will retain the upper edge with the offensive index purely with India (Pakistan currently is only a defensive force with limited offense as we saw on the 27th. It would need its entire air force in the air to even deal with a skirmish. Can you imagine a war like situation? ). 90% of India's other offensive strategy will be done with no guns and weapons. It will be diplomatic and Pakistan will surrender like it has. The real chance of a nuclear war is 0.1% - even here India's delivery and defensive mechanisms are far superior.

Hence, The Pakistan's nuclear threat is a bluff!
 
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Extinction of Pakistan means extinction of india.we told you thousand times that we know your military superiority and large number of missiles and iaf jets.we planned our game in a way so that we can also destroy you completely before our own extinction.as I said we are ready and your people watching our every move from satellite are wise.they know some missile places but not all and this is a big surprise.we don't want extinction of sub continent.don't mind.lol
Military numerical superiority doesn't mean survival.mark my words! This is age of modern warfare.this is age of nuclear showdown.nuclear missiles to multi purpose chemical weapons,they are all very much a reality.
So by your statement should I assume that India can destroy China even before they try to hit us ?
 

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OMG, look how you all have landed in that Pakistani's trap or have been trapped by your own convictions.
The strategy to pour cold water on "Cold Start" begins with loud shouts of "Pakistan has Nuclear Bombs". Pakistan tested Nasar the moment they heard of "Cold Start" to give some peaceniks ammunition to scare India. Then Pakistan carried out two large scale exercises like Azme Nu to validate their reactions to cold start and found that they have no answer to it.

People who venture on the subject forget that the theory and practice of "Limited War" under Nuclear umbrella was always in vogue in NATO theatre, in Indo Pacific, In Korea and Japan. People also forget that Kargil was conducted by Pakistan under nuclear umbrella.
How ever India can not do that or even better -India should not do it.

Then there definitely were forces actively working to pour cold water on "Cold Start" like UPA govt, OFB and partly DRDO. No one can think of launching cold start with existing Arjuns, second generation BMP, inadequate artillery, deficiency in all varieties of ammunition, deficiencies in missiles, INASAS or missing NAG. Indian Army was kept under equipped so much so that it smacked of a conspiracy.

It took the Indian Army 15-16 years to formally acknowledge the existence of such operational plans when the present COAS admitted it.

It is now there, may be still half cocked but it is there.

It is there to conduct conventional military operations short of full war and with a threshold short of Nuclear exchange.

It is limited War, it is preemptive assaults at multiple points to decrease Pakistani options, it is punitive and it an option to use military instrument of the state as a potent policy option.

By bringing the nuclear issue into it - do not try pour cold water on "Cold Start" as this Pakistani tried and you took the bait. Indian capture of Pakistan bulge in Poonch, Skardu, Hajipir, Sulemanki or Fort Abbas is not going to end up in nuclear response. That is pure nonsense. It is escalatory no doubt but escalation ladders are there to contain / control and not for allowing situations to go out of hand.
 
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The point is not about who flies CAPS...

You are assuming having RAAD and Babur gives you undeniable advantage incase of a attack.

I am saying the number of cruise missiles required to cause considerable damage on Indian side is quite high, add to this in their flight path there will be considerable obstacles to the flight of missiles and will be disrupted.

Basically what I am saying is that the capability of cruise missiles are over estimated especially against India.
similar is true for india.i remember you tested your interceptor by targeting your own ballistic missile.cruise missiles aren't ballistic missiles.most radars can detect cruise missiles but interception in most cases is very difficult.missiles can cause significant damage and has the ability to stop wars so i don't think that war will continue.
 

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Well PAF may fight for air superirority, (will fail miserably) while IAF, IN and IA give you a direct thrashing in day light, if you expect that India will wait for air dominance to use other services you're seriously a nutter, perhaps why your folk seem to be good at loosing wars.
don't remind me of day light.i think feb 27 was day light attack by paf.one helicopter,one mig and most probably one su-30(or f-16) but damage is clearly visible.why you wanted to attack pakistan on feb 28 with missiles? why so much anger at that time? hahaha.
 

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Yet they chose Beijing Mayor to recieve their trusted ally nation's PM.

Price hike for common commodities will dent your preparations.

That is exactly what Indians are expecting. Bleed Chinese resources. Chinese troops won't fight your wars. Without fuel , food it doesn't matter how many (...) you got. Don't forget your countrymen have guns , last thing you don't want is them pointing those barrels against your government.
are you seriously talking about pakistani economy? I have seen many indians talking about war with pakistan and most of them realize that our economy is in deep trouble so better strike now.this is typical mentality of Indian members.do you think we are Bangladesh where we have to send our forces miles away to defend one piece of land against India? This is Pakistan Daisy.pakistan is there since 47 and it will continue to exist.if you want conventional,go for conventional.if you want nuclear,go for nuclear.you guys think of war as joke.
 

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OMG, look how you all have landed in that Pakistani's trap or have been trapped by your own convictions.
The strategy to pour cold water on "Cold Start" begins with loud shouts of "Pakistan has Nuclear Bombs". Pakistan tested Nasar the moment they heard of "Cold Start" to give some peaceniks ammunition to scare India. Then Pakistan carried out two large scale exercises like Azme Nu to validate their reactions to cold start and found that they have no answer to it.

People who venture on the subject forget that the theory and practice of "Limited War" under Nuclear umbrella was always in vogue in NATO theatre, in Indo Pacific, In Korea and Japan. People also forget that Kargil was conducted by Pakistan under nuclear umbrella.
How ever India can not do that or even better -India should not do it.

Then there definitely were forces actively working to pour cold water on "Cold Start" like UPA govt, OFB and partly DRDO. No one can think of launching cold start with existing Arjuns, second generation BMP, inadequate artillery, deficiency in all varieties of ammunition, deficiencies in missiles, INASAS or missing NAG. Indian Army was kept under equipped so much so that it smacked of a conspiracy.

It took the Indian Army 15-16 years to formally acknowledge the existence of such operational plans when the present COAS admitted it.

It is now there, may be still half cocked but it is there.

It is there to conduct conventional military operations short of full war and with a threshold short of Nuclear exchange.

It is limited War, it is preemptive assaults at multiple points to decrease Pakistani options, it is punitive and it an option to use military instrument of the state as a potent policy option.

By bringing the nuclear issue into it - do not try pour cold water on "Cold Start" as this Pakistani tried and you took the bait. Indian capture of Pakistan bulge in Poonch, Skardu, Hajipir, Sulemanki or Fort Abbas is not going to end up in nuclear response. That is pure nonsense. It is escalatory no doubt but escalation ladders are there to contain / control and not for allowing situations to go out of hand.
Do you know why we lost previous wars? Because you have numerical superiority.nasr is designed to end this superiority once for all.indian military either stretch entire ib or send it's strike corps towards a particular target inside Pakistan but what would happen if nasr falls on them? This could be surprising and this could be very very deadly.our army don't even need to go closer to border except in some areas.today people use Google Earth to search a particular place but military use satellites to watch heavy enemy troop deployment.you know what I mean!
 

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Do you know why we lost previous wars? Because you have numerical superiority.nasr is designed to end this superiority once for all.indian military either stretch entire ib or send it's strike corps towards a particular target inside Pakistan but what would happen if nasr falls on them? This could be surprising and this could be very very deadly.our army don't even need to go closer to border except in some areas.today people use Google Earth to search a particular place but military use satellites to watch heavy enemy troop deployment.you know what I mean!
You use tactical nukes, we vaporize Pakistan. We are buying S 400 missiles for the purpose of an ABM umbrella.

One of the top defence sources told the publiation: "The phase one of the Ballistic Missile Defence programmes has been completed. We have deployed two indigenous long-range radars as part of the programme. As and when we get an all-clear from the government, the specific missiles will be deployed." Sources have further added that the development team had made necessary arrangement for ensuring that the missiles were produced as per the requirement.
https://www.ibtimes.co.in/big-boost...ia-completes-first-phase-bmd-programme-796494

Last month's successful 'Mission Shakti' anti-satellite (ASAT) weapon test showed that India has developed the technological capability to destroy enemy nuclear-tipped missiles launched from as far away as 5,500 kilometres or more, at high altitudes outside the atmosphere, say experts.
https://www.business-standard.com/a...ms-in-outer-space-experts-119042200713_1.html

Focus on your economy. I can assure you India has no interest in an arid country with a population equal to that of US but living standards as Sub Saharan Africa.

BTW Seoul was designed after Karachi.

http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?idx=9987

Seoul



Karachi
 
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similar is true for india.i remember you tested your interceptor by targeting your own ballistic missile.cruise missiles aren't ballistic missiles.most radars can detect cruise missiles but interception in most cases is very difficult.missiles can cause significant damage and has the ability to stop wars so i don't think that war will continue.
what do you think these are for?

Akash SAM
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Future SAM Procurements:

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More importantly what are the SAM systems operated by PA/PAF and how many batteries are deployed?
Keep in mind, india does not have sub sonic cruise missile at the moment. only brahmos.
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what do you think these are for?

Akash SAM
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SPYDER
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Strela

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Future SAM Procurements:

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More importantly what are the SAM systems operated by PA/PAF and how many batteries are deployed?
Keep in mind, india does not have sub sonic cruise missile at the moment. only brahmos.
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Pakistan realized need of more Sam systems after balakot.our military planners thought that we don't need Sams but now things are completely changed and that's why we need long range sams.currently we operate spada and Chinese sams.shoulder fired missiles are good only against low flying jets but for high altitude,long range Sams are needed.china has everything.soon they will copy s-400 as well and it will also be available to Pakistan.
 

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similar is true for india.i remember you tested your interceptor by targeting your own ballistic missile.cruise missiles aren't ballistic missiles.most radars can detect cruise missiles but interception in most cases is very difficult.missiles can cause significant damage and has the ability to stop wars so i don't think that war will continue.
Stopping ballistic missile is more difficult than stopping cruise missile.
Pakistan can stop neither ballistic nor cruise missile.

India has a decent air defence system. This system is geared towards aircraft and cruise missiles.
India's anti-ballistic missile defence is in early stages.
 

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Pakistan realized need of more Sam systems after balakot.our military planners thought that we don't need Sams but now things are completely changed and that's why we need long range sams.currently we operate spada and Chinese sams.shoulder fired missiles are good only against low flying jets but for high altitude,long range Sams are needed.china has everything.soon they will copy s-400 as well and it will also be available to Pakistan.
Chinese ship carrying S400 got deep sixed.
 

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Are BattlefPakistan’s Bttleield Nuclear Weapons a Mirage?



http://idrw.org/are-pakistans-battlefield-nuclear-weapons-a-mirage/ .

Are Pakistan’s Battlefield Nuclear Weapons a Mirage? Published May 8, 2019 | By admin SOURCE: THE PRINT In April 2011, Pakistan conducted the first test of its short-range Hatf-IX or Nasr rocket. The test was interpreted as marking a shift in Pakistan’s nuclear posture to “full spectrum deterrence,” which envisages a complete range of “strategic, operational and tactical” nuclear weapons that would give India “no place to hide.” More specifically, Pakistan claimed the Nasr was intended to “pour cold water over Cold Start,” the name given to the Indian Army’s doctrine, which involves the rapid mobilization of division-sized integrated battle groups making shallow incursions into Pakistani territory.

Although Cold Start is still a work-in-progress, and Pakistan already enjoys considerable conventional deterrence against India, its army has tested the Nasr several times since 2011, publicly talking up its “shoot and scoot attributes” that supposedly help “deter evolving threats.” Despite the many tests, it’s not clear if the rocket system is actually in service, since it apparently remained undeployed as late as 2016.

The first Nasr test came seven years after the new Cold Start doctrine was revealed at an Indian Army Commander’s Conference in 2004.In the years that followed, the Indian Army leadership remained cagey about discussing the new doctrine, only obliquely referring to a “proactive strategy.” That changed in 2017, when current army chief General Bipin Rawat bluntly acknowledged its existence.


The Nasr is generally believed to be based on either China’s WS-2 Weishi or the similar AR1A/A100-E conventional rocket artillery system. According to the one estimate from a trio of scholars from Bangalore’s NIAS, the Nasr’s warhead section is 1.6 meters long, with a cylindrical portion that’s just under a meter in length and a conical portion that adds another 660 mm. The outer diameter of the cylindrical portion is 361 mm. The Nasr is believed to have a payload capability of 400 kilograms. While the rocket itself is unremarkable, designing and manufacturing a nuclear warhead for such a small weapon system presents its own hurdles.

Design Challenges

The simplest way for Pakistan to design an ultra-compact warhead on the Nasr would be to obtain a design from someone else. China would be the most probable candidate. While such a transfer can’t be ruled out, it’s still unlikely the Chinese could have provided Pakistan with an off-the-shelf design. The People’s Liberation Army has no known nuclear-capable missiles with a similar range or payload. Indeed, China has a no-first-use policy that eschews battlefield nuclear weapons.

However, Pakistan is known to have received the Chinese CHIC-4 bomb design, which was first tested in 1966. China may have even subsequently tested a Pakistani variant in 1990. The CHIC-4 is a bulky design that reputedly weighs 1,180 kilograms. According to Brigadier Feroz Hassan Khan, a chronicler of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program, Pakistan cut the weight of the CHIC-4 design down to about 500 kilograms.

According to Khan, the nuclear test conducted in the Kharan Desert on May 30, 1998, was of a “miniaturized device” for ballistic missiles and aircraft. His claim gains some credence from events a decade later, when investigators following the A.Q. Khan network in Switzerland found bomb plans that were either identical or similar to that of the 1998 device. A story in the New York Times described the device as being “half the size and twice the power” of the CHIC-4 and featuring “far more modern electronics.”

Khan also goes on to claim that Pakistani nuclear scientists later halved the weight of the nuclear device again bringing it down to 220 kilograms. However, it’s not clear when this was achieved or how much they managed to reduce the weapon’s volume. What seems likely is that Pakistan possessed viable warhead designs for its medium-range ballistic missiles by 1998, even if these warheads were too large for the Nasr.

Plutonium or Uranium?

Like China, Pakistan started out by making implosion bombs based on highly enriched uranium (HEU). (In these bombs, a conventional explosive compresses the fissile core into a supercritical mass.) Pakistan’s 1998 nuclear tests were based on such designs. But for smaller warheads like the Nasr’s, Khan believes Pakistani scientists will “likely use a plutonium warhead with an implosion assembly.” The NIAS study similarly concludes that a variant – the plutonium-based linear implosion device – is best suited for the slim profile of the Nasr missile.

However, as the authors of the NIAS study note, there are two problems with this approach. First, since the linear variant needs twice the amount of fissile material as a spherical implosion system, Pakistan would run out of its estimated plutonium stock (as of 2013) after producing just 12 warheads. Second, any such device would be untested.

An alternative for Pakistan is to reject the implosion system altogether and produce a simple gun-type HEU device – essentially a highly miniaturized version of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima in 1945. Such a device would need no testing and could be fitted into the Nasr. It would, however, go against the deeply-ingrained preference for implosion devices among Pakistan’s weapon-makers.

Whatever its design options, Pakistan may also be facing greater constraints on its supply of fissile material than previously thought. While previous estimates put Pakistan’s arsenal size in 2018 at 140-150 warheads (and growing at the rate of about 10 warheads a year), a recent assessment suggests Pakistan’s dwindling domestic supply of uranium will limit its nuclear arsenal size to between 112 and 156 weapons. While such studies are necessarily speculative, it’s likely Pakistan will be forced to make hard choices when it allocates weapons-grade material among its growing array of missiles.

Considering the Cold War Experience

Pakistan could adopt more than one pathway toward miniaturizing a Nasr warhead, but how long would the process take? Information about the current state of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program is scarce, but U.S. and Soviet efforts at miniaturization during the early years of the Cold War provide some indications.

In 1949, the United States began a project to develop nuclear artillery for battlefield use. Just four years later, a 280 mm cannon fired a shell with the new W-9 warhead, which airburst 10 kilometres away, with a yield of about 15 kilotons. The W-9 was a simple gun-type HEU fission device. Over the next decade, the United States would produce even smaller nuclear artillery, including a tiny plutonium linear implosion warhead that could be fired from a standard 155 mm artillery piece.

The Soviets took longer to miniaturize. After they became a nuclear power in 1949, the Soviets struggled to catch up with the U.S. atomic artillery program, only producing small warheads in the early 1960s. By then, new nuclear-capable artillery rockets like the Luna-M had already superseded atomic cannons.

Considering these time scales of 4-15 years, could Pakistan have developed a miniaturized device for the Nasr between the first indications of Cold Start in 2004 and the present?

In developing a miniaturized warhead, the Pakistanis would have enjoyed two principal advantages over their Cold War counterparts. One, they would have had a head start, having worked on warhead designs since the 1970s. Khan notes that between 1983 and 1995, Pakistan carried out at least 24 “cold tests” of their nuclear devices (in which the bomb is detonated minus the fissile core). The devices were also ruggedized and tested for “vibrations, environment, acceleration,” according to a senior Pakistani nuclear physicist, Samar Mubarakmand quoted by Khan. In May 1995, Pakistan conducted a successful aerial cold test from a combat aircraft, with the device exploding 500 meters above ground.

The second advantage the Pakistanis would have over older Soviet or American nuclear weapons designers is advances in technology. For instance, modern electronics would make it easier to design reliable fuses and to correctly detonate the weapon’s explosive lenses.

Against these, Pakistan suffers three disadvantages. One, for all its diversion of resources, Pakistan cannot match the budgets of the superpowers at the height of the Cold War. Two, the Soviet and American programs were enabled by an abundance of fissile material. In contrast, Pakistani supplies are constrained. Three, the superpowers could conduct hot tests, allowing them to validate and improve their designs. Pakistan, on the other hand, can’t perform hot tests of its new warhead designs without incurring widespread diplomatic wrath.
 

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Are BattlefPakistan’s Bttleield Nuclear Weapons a Mirage?
A Limited and Vulnerable Arsenal

This article assumes Pakistan’s nuclear weapon-makers are adequately competent and get preferential access to resources. Nevertheless, to make Nasr warheads, they would not only have to manage costs but also work with a limited supply of fissile material and design new nuclear warheads without being able to test them. It is conceivable Pakistan has skipped these painful steps entirely and is simply bluffing about the Nasr’s nuclear capabilities. Lacking certainty, India would still have to factor in nuclear-capable Nasrs in its plans, even if it remains Pakistan would actually use the rocket.

Another approach for Pakistan would be to produce only a small number of nuclear warheads for the Nasr while increasing the number of conventionally armed Nasr rockets and launchers in its inventory. During a crisis, Pakistan could conspicuously move a few launchers to catalyze intervention from third-parties worried about nuclear escalation. If crisis turns into conflict, the Pakistan Army would hope that a multitude of mostly conventional Nasr launchers on the move would stress Indian intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance (ISR) resources and divert its military efforts. In Pakistan’s calculation, this would have the effect of complicating India’s plans while minimizing its own command and control challenges.

However, this will not solve the problems inherent in a system like the Nasr. The rocket’s short range of 70 kilometers would force the Pakistan Army to deploy launchers perilously close to the fighting, making them vulnerable to India’s conventional firepower. This makes the Nasr highly destabilizing since the Pakistanis will have to worry about survivability of what is likely to be a small arsenal of nuclear-capable rockets.

Targeting Indian forces will also remain a challenge. Once a decision has been made to use nuclear-tipped Nasrs, the Pakistan Army would have to locate mobile targets, ensure there are no friendly forces in the vicinity, and then quickly communicate that information to the rocket crews before they are destroyed and before the information becomes obsolete. What’s more, it will have to do all this while immersed in the thick fog of war.

The technical and operational hurdles involved in creating a fully-functional force of battlefield nuclear weapons would challenge any country. For Pakistan, some of these challenges – such as limits on fissile material and the short range of the Nasr – are especially acute. There are suggestions the Nasr would be used as part of a larger nuclear first strike against both counterforce and countervalue targets. But Pakistan has a formidable arsenal of missiles that offer better strike options than the Nasr. All things considered, it is likely the Nasr is at present a mirage aimed at the minds of India’s decision makers, rather than a military reality targeted at its armoured columns.

http://idrw.org/are-pakistans-battlefield-nuclear-weapons-a-mirage/#more-200146 .
 

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Yes we are screwed and India has so many nukes and we fear India hahaha.are you serious?
Pakistan should fear India. For small pakistan to fight against a country with nuclear triad, second largest army, fourth largest navy, a booming G20 economy and a powerful industrial capability is no joke.:cool1:

who say to you that pakistan fire all nuclear missiles from land? Hahahaha
Does your brown water navy has ability to fire missiles from sea? Has your navy mastered launch and navigation of missiles from naval platform? Very few countries on planet has this capability. I highly doubt pakistan is one of them.


The question you should ask is how long PN will survive against full might of IN?
Inside tip: Not very long...:daru:


pakistan primary focus is India
This is the root of all problems.

friendship of China and pakistan is bigger than anything.chinese helped pakistan even in recent ongoing conflict against India.we received a cargo full of (....) Xd.china stands with Pakistan and it's great.
Looks like pakistan has learned nothing from their friendship days with US.... Listen buddy there are no friends in international geopolitics. Every nation is looking for their self interest. The day China sees their benefits with India higher than pakistan, there will be a shift in their policy just like US.

Do you know why we lost previous wars? Because you have numerical superiority.nasr is designed to end this superiority once for all.
All this chest thumping about tactical missiles.:blah: What makes you think India doesn't have tactical nukes?:devil:

Inside tip: we (and other countries) are tracking location of your Nasr TELs via dedicated satellites. :biggrin2:


indian military either stretch entire ib or send it's strike corps towards a particular target inside Pakistan but what would happen if nasr falls on them?
What happens? lets see...

Best case scenario for pakistan: It gives India justification to retaliates with own theater nukes and wipe out paki fauj. After reaching nuclear threshold china too distance themselves from pakistan. Pakistan is declared a rough nation and major sections on pakistan by UN, Without danda of fauj, complete collapse of pakistan as a nation and small countries start to emerge.

Worst case scenario for pakistan: Full spectrum nuclear attack and complete annihilation of pakistan.
 

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Do you know why we lost previous wars? Because you have numerical superiority.nasr is designed to end this superiority once for all.indian military either stretch entire ib or send it's strike corps towards a particular target inside Pakistan but what would happen if nasr falls on them?
Do you even know WTF you are talking about? A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Ok, let’s do some math instead of jingoism that you Pakis are infamous for.

For a max 5kt warhead (max 5kt warhead on Nasr which is between 1 to 5 kt) – Blast and fireball radius is 500m or approx < 2 sq km

Now let's take just one small unit of the ICG consisting of an armored regiment (Combat Unit or CU)

Combat Unit frontage < > 10 km with two combat teams up. Depth < > 5 km. Total area covered approx 50 sq km.

How many nukes would be required to neutralize one CU? 25.

Therefore, how many Nasrs required for neutralizing just one ICG consisting of 3 CUs, 3 battalions of mechanized infantry, and supporting arms? 150 Nasrs approx.

For initial offensive with 10 -15 ICGs simultaneously over a wide front, Narsrs required to neutralize them - 1500 to 2250 approx!! And then remember, all these Nasrs will not result in total destruction of the ICGs. There would still be plenty left to clobber you.

Now that’s a hell of a lot of Nasrs required! Remember, all tanks and personnel carriers are protected from nuclear radiation. There will be no infantry out in the open.

If you need 1500 Nasrs to neutralize 10 ICGs for stopping the Indian juggernaut, going a step further, 1500x5 kt =7500 kt ie, equal to the yield of 375 Hiroshima atom bombs on Pakistani territory (as these will be employed only after the ICGs have penetrated deep into Pakistan and would be used as a last resort!!)

What would be left of Pakistan? You know what happened to Hiroshima after just one 20 kt nuke was dropped. Here were talking of an equivalent of 375 atomic bombs! Whither Pakistan? And how many Nasrs do you possess anyway? Out of which, how many will turn out to be duds?

In other words, your grand plans of trying to stop an Indian offensive by your little Nasrs are going to fry Pak itself in the process. A double whammy if ever there was one!!! It’s like cutting off your own nose to spite your enemy's face!

Please show this post to your Bajwas and Gafooras, I've done the calculations for them. Hope they now know what they're up against. That would put a stop to their jingoism and bombast about countering Indian offensives by their so called tactical nukes called Nasrs!!

In other words, in case of a conflagration, you guys are fukd!

Cheers!
 

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are you seriously talking about pakistani economy? I have seen many indians talking about war with pakistan and most of them realize that our economy is in deep trouble so better strike now.this is typical mentality of Indian members.do you think we are Bangladesh where we have to send our forces miles away to defend one piece of land against India? This is Pakistan Daisy.pakistan is there since 47 and it will continue to exist.if you want conventional,go for conventional.if you want nuclear,go for nuclear.you guys think of war as joke.
Pakistan died in 1971 itself,Arsalan. Period.

1. It's first heart stroke was when it became an Islamic state as against Jinnah's dream of Muslim majority secular state.
2. It's second stroke came when Op Gibraltar failed and resulted in a war which ended up with Indian upper hand at d time of ceasefire.
3. The last and final fatal stroke came in d guise of Bangladesh which proved muslim ummah is as worthy as old boar's titties(Mikey sir,had 2 borrow ur line:)) and Jinnah is the grandest failure of 20th century. Two Nation Theory is a failed experiment.

That is ur nation's health summary. Officially u died in 1971. Wat is surviving is an even more failed state run by an army gone rogue.
Sorry Arsalan,u'll have 2 bear with it.
 

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don't remind me of day light.i think feb 27 was day light attack by paf.one helicopter,one mig and most probably one su-30(or f-16) but damage is clearly visible.why you wanted to attack pakistan on feb 28 with missiles? why so much anger at that time? hahaha.
Only one Mig 21 and that too in your territory.
Mi-17 down most probably due to a friendly SAM.
Su-30 MKI: No chance in hell.
24 PAF jets thwarted by 8 IAF jets. I guess next time there won't be just 8 jets.
 

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