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We tried that with the Nepal monarchy and it turned out to be a disaster.
No. We did the opposite of what I am suggesting here and that's why it was a disaster. Till Nepal was a Hindu monarchy, Christianity and Islamic conversions were under strict watch. The moment the secular democracy system came in, missionaries and maulvis had a free ride into Nepali society, and the Chinese propped up the communists who sided with the social invaders.

Bhutanese people are very pro-monarchy and the monarch is very pro-India. This means we should help the king consolidate power and topple democracy. Returning Bhutan to its old status in exchange for their loyalty to us is important. Otherwise, the only option would be to do a referendum as it happened in my state.
Can PM Modi ji annex Bhutan as a new state of India? More importantly, would be want to?
 

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oi strongly disagree with see reports from nepal there hindus are replicating uttar pradesh model by deliberately trying instigate trouble by shouting slogans in front oof mosques and churches, that is unequivocally unjustified
You must be high on something. Nepalis of Nepal and Nepalis of India (in my home state) do no such thing.

Let's keep your discussion to the political thread as you have linked it wrongly to a domestic political issue.

This is about China's geopolitical moves and threats around India.
 

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you may strongly disagree but look at this it clearly shows the ruling party of India is clearly trying to influence politics of Nepal o party level not govt level

You do realize that BBC talking about India is like Pakistanis talking about Hindus right? They can never, ever portray anything positive about Indian strategy, Indian leadership and Indian ideas. Most of it is sheer bullcrap.

Let's switch back to China-India Great Game.
 

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you may strongly disagree but look at this it clearly shows the ruling party of India is clearly trying to influence politics of Nepal o party level not govt level
What ever BBC says, exact opposite is the truth.
but even if it is the truth you have China to blame cos they started playing the game and that forced India to play aswell.
 

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What ever BBC says, exact opposite is the truth.
but even if it is the truth you have China to blame cos they started playing the game and that forced India to play aswell.
unfortunately its not India doing things but bp as a party in nepal n that is what was shown in video
 

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You do realize that BBC talking about India is like Pakistanis talking about Hindus right? They can never, ever portray anything positive about Indian strategy, Indian leadership and Indian ideas. Most of it is sheer bullcrap.

Let's switch back to China-India Great Game.
I pity your ignorance
 

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Why is China Pairing with Russia

Anybody’s guess, but there are a few apparent points. The current Chinese leader Xi wishes to end the Mao Tse Tung era enmity with Russia. This enmity lasted until 1991 when Soviet Union broke up. Concurrently US began to pump in $2 trillion FDI into China over 20 years. China’s manufacturing, exports and cashflow multiplied in bundles with that kind of aid.

Nobody dreamed ten years back that Russia and NATO/US will fight over Ukrainian and now they are fighting a shooting war. NATO and US have poured in combined about $100 to $125 billion in Ukraine war together with specialized technical aid to target vital Russian targets. Russia is alone and is searching for allies. China came front and Center. They offered, diplomatic, political and military support …….. yes in lieu of what?

1. They want Russian support in case China moves to grab Taiwan.

2. Russian military technology to modernize the Chinese military. The Chinese military relies on numbers not on technology. They want to redress that technology shortage. Moreover, Chinese have a lot of rockets and missiles but of mostly poor quality. Russian help will modernize that.

In return for a minor political support to Russia against their common enemy, the West, they intend to gain a lot. The Chinese will have access to most modern military technology.

Only a few days back, the Chinese defence minister, who rarely steps out into limelight was visiting Russia and personally met Putin and discussed things. China has mass produced drones of poor quality, very similar to Iranian drones which the Russian used in Ukraine successfully. They can supply them to make up the Russian deficiency. The Russians will be delighted. In return, what the Chinese Defence Minister get is extremely important to the rest of the world. The Chinese will become a high technology military super power.

That danger exists until the Ukraine war is over and the Russians refuse to part with high technology which the Chinese want. Then the Russians and Chinese are back to being unfriendly giants Of fifties and sixties.

Think it thru President Biden and NATO; ……… Do not let Xi and Putin shake hands permanently. If they do then $2 trillion FDI in China and all the trade advantages offered to China will be wasted.
 

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A very comprehensive analysis written by Cdr. Sandeep Dhawan (Retd.) of the Indian Navy. It covers all the aspects of warfare that the world has no seen before at this scale. The US deep state holds no candle to this today, despite it being the fountainhead of such warfare.

China’s Invisible War With India And The World

On 15 June 2020, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) backstabbed the Indian Army patrolling team during the Galwan Valley Clash. The whole nation was angry, but the flag-bearers of the India-China Friendship Association (ICFA) were unwavering in their support for China.

ICFA didn’t see any reason to sever ties with China or take any appropriate action. They are not the only ones. China has made deep inroads into India and other major nations of the world to control the narrative. It has unleashed an invisible war on the world and the world is still searching for the answers.

China's way of war:
  1. Build military and monetary muscle by all means.
  2. Acquire advanced technologies by any means
  3. Control the domestic population using advanced technologies
  4. Snoop upon external population using advanced technologies
  5. Identify and control the critical supply chains
  6. Use free world institutions to own advantage
  7. Keep the neighbouring and uncooperative nations unsettled by:
    1. Propaganda through print & electronic media
    2. Acquire educational institutions through donations and funding
    3. Influence politicians, celebrities, academia, and students
    4. Acquire sensitive and personal information on important persons
    5. Create internal trouble utilizing all the above.
    6. Keep the borders active
Military and Monetary Muscle Power

When China joined World Trade Organization (WTO) in 2001 its GDP was $1.34 trillion. US President Bill Clinton had hoped that China would move towards democracy. On the contrary, China violated every WTO rule, forced technology transfer, provided illegal state subsidies, discriminated against foreign goods, and controlled supply chains to its advantage. The result was that China took other member nations for a ride while enriching itself.

Today at $18.32 trillion GDP, China is very close to its target of world dominance. As per Global Fire Power, China has 3.14 million military personnel (active 2 million), 4950 tanks, 730 naval assets (including 2 aircraft carriers, and 76 submarines), and 3166 aircraft (1199 fighters). They rank at number three among the world military powers behind the United States and Russia.

Technological Prowess at Any Cost

The Australian Strategic Policy Institute undertook a year-long project on progress made by various countries in advanced technologies. China led the list in 37 of the 44 technologies tracked. The areas included — electric batteries, hypersonics, and advanced radio-frequency communications such as 5G and 6G, etc. China produced 48.49 percent of the world’s high-impact research papers. It hosts seven of the world’s top 10 research institutions in advanced aircraft engines, including hypersonics and many such topics.

Now hold your thought there. China didn’t reach there by sheer hard work but rather by utilizing evil genius. In 2020 FBI Director Christopher Wray disclosed — “We have now over 2,000 investigations that tie back to the Chinese government. We open a case on Chinese activities every 10 hours. It is a 1,300 percent increase over the last several years.” China’s rampant Intellectual Property (IP) theft has damaged many nations’ economies but nothing like the damage done to the USA. The United States loses $600 billion annually due to Chinese IP thefts:

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Stolen Technology and Overseas Chinese Citizens

Now China didn’t just create wealth with the stolen technology. It also used it to control the masses. Free-flowing information on the internet was the biggest threat to the existence of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). They utilized stolen software from Silver Oak Software to create the infamous ‘Great Firewall’ of China.

China devised novel ways to snoop upon foreign nationals and one of them is Chinese Internet of Things (IoT) modules. IoT is widely used in smart devices in agriculture, manufacturing, transport, CCTV, etc. In January 2023, British government officials discovered a Chinese cellular IoT module, used as a tracking device in a car used by senior ministers. In 2017 fitness tracking app Strava set the alarm bells ringing among American intelligence agencies when exercising US soldiers gave away the location of their secret US army bases while using the fitness trackers like Fitbit. Port cranes with real-time data analysis capabilities, baggage-screening systems, electric transformers, the Chinese snooping list is endless.

Chinese surveillance camera manufacturer HikVision is ubiquitous in India. HikVision and all other Chinese companies are bound by China’s national security laws, which require them to comply with requests from the Chinese state. IoT modules embedded in supply chains and logistics systems could spill beans on Indian defence manufacturers’ supply chains. China could utilize data from companies like HikVision to build up a picture of how many spare parts and weapons systems have been delivered and to which Indian defence base. The data could also be used to identify individuals who might be susceptible to recruitment by Chinese intelligence agencies. A combination of data from various sources would eventually divulge the Indian military readiness and vulnerabilities.

In 2018 hackers infiltrated the Aadhaar database through the state-owned gas company Indane’s website. They stole data of 1.1 billion Indian citizens including names, addresses, photos, phone numbers, email IDs, biometric data (fingerprints and iris scans), and finally bank details. In all probability, Chinese government-backed hackers were behind this theft. Such sensitive personal data has the potential to blackmail high-value Indian individuals.

Where technology doesn’t help Chinese citizens abroad are recruited to produce results:

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A large number of Chinese spies cross over from the Nepal border into India to undertake nefarious activities. The arrest of the fake Buddhist monk Cai Ruo, a Chinese spy, from Majnu Ka Tila, Delhi, in October 2022 was an eye-opener. Thousands of such spies could be staying in India, incognito.

The Critical Supply Chain


The US Director of National Intelligence in its latest ‘Annual Threat Assessment’ report stated — “The government of China is capable of leveraging its dominant positions in key global supply chains in an attempt to accomplish its goals.” The report adumbrated China’s unique dominance in technology sectors including semiconductors, critical minerals, batteries, solar panels, and pharmaceuticals.

The Chinese Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients (API) and Rare Earth Elements (RERs) dominance:

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Takeover of Global Institutions

China has systematically infiltrated the United Nations and various global institutions for exploitation. All the Chinese officials who are manning crucial positions in global institutions are members of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and provide a façade for the Chinese espionage network and push Chinese propaganda.

Effectively, China has infiltrated and continues to influence 70 global institutions. It heads four out of 15 United Nations bodies. The situation is akin to living in a CCP-ruled world where you know the ruler is there to exploit you, but the vested interests keep you quiet.

Spread The Chinese Narrative

Mao Zedong once said — “On a blank sheet of paper free from any mark, the freshest and most beautiful characters can be written.” For China, innocent students are that blank sheet on which they want to write their fake narrative.

In 2013, China backed Singapore-based Raffles Education in a joint venture with an NGO, the Jai Radha Raman Education Society, tried getting into the Indian education system. They were caught. This is not an isolated case;[1]China has made deep inroads into various universities and academia the world over with funding and outright purchase.

The Institutes in India to be scrutinized for funding are:



China is also influencing the Indian and Western media by all means. From 2016 onwards China has aggressively pursued Indian journalists. Journalists from The Indian Express, Jansatta, and the Indo-Asian News Service (IANS) were invited to China for indoctrination[3]. In November 2019, Hindustan Times published an article by then-Chinese Ambassador to India, Sun Weidong, warning India not to meddle in Tibetan affairs. Again, in December 2019, it carried sponsored anti-India editorials by the CCP mouthpiece ‘China Watch Daily’.

Even the Press Trust of India (PTI) has been toeing the Chinese line. At the height of the ‘Galwan Standoff’, PTI carried out the Chinese ambassador’s interview and published his fake narrative as real. But, above them all is, ‘The Hindu,’ which publishes Chinese inserts regularly. If this is the state of the mainstream media then one may wonder what is happening in the hinterland[4].

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‘Indian Films Industry’ too with its reach far and wide has become a tool to spread the CCP narrative. For that purpose, the CCP has created a lobby group headed by an Indian lobbyist. This group invites influential film stars to China, regulates anti-China content in Indian cinema, and promotes movies of film stars who toe the Chinese line.

The Invisible War Has Begun

Whenever any major disruption happens in the world, most nations run helter-skelter, but China is seen conserving its energy. Be it the Covid-19 outbreak or the Russia-Ukraine war. It is an old trick of the CCP. During World War II when the Nationalists were getting slaughtered by the Japanese forces the former Communist Party leader Mao Zedong was conserving his energies. At the opportune time in 1949, Mao decimated the weakened nationalists. Chinese President Xi Jinping is attempting to follow Mao’s strategy on a global scale.

China is using compromised media in India to write against the West and sold-out media in the West to write against India. The idea is to pit both against each other. China will blackmail and punish uncooperative nations at will by disrupting the supply chain, just like it stopped the supply of RERs to Japan over the Senkaku island dispute in 2010.

China will keep the borders with its neighbours active to keep those countries on the edge. A weak neighbour like Russia engaged in war with Ukraine is most suitable. China voted on a resolution in the UN General Assembly on 26 April 2023 describing the Ukraine conflict as “aggression by the Russian Federation” and later denied it. A day before this, on 25 April, China’s ambassador to France Lu Shaye had questioned the legitimacy of former Soviet countries. Both the issues are connected and a well-thought-out strategy.

The 27 April 2023 statement of Chinese Gen. Li Shangfu at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) meeting to de-link the standoff at LAC with bilateral relations was not a request but a warning to India to tow the Chinese line or face the consequences. Unrest in Manipur could be a follow-up on the same warning.

Now, it is up to the world to realize that China’s wars will not be fought by PLA soldiers. Their soldiers are already existing in our nations, towns, and societies, fighting for China at a minuscule cost of a real war. It is an invisible war that the world ignores as inconsequential.

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Cross posting from the Podcast Recommendation Thread .


Excellent podcast between Chris Chappell & Dr Dheeraj Chaya of the university of Hull who's recently authored a book on indian intelligence on why India & China would never enjoy a peaceful co existence & why India'd never be an ally of the west at best enjoying transactional relationships with the west especially the US on matters of mutual concern or interest like China
 

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Cross posting from the Podcast Recommendation Thread .


Excellent podcast between Chris Chappell & Dr Dheeraj Chaya of the university of Hull who's recently authored a book on indian intelligence on why India & China would never enjoy a peaceful co existence & why India'd never be an ally of the west at best enjoying transactional relationships with the west especially the US on matters of mutual concern or interest like China
With China on India’s back and unlikely to get off anytime soon, there is no other choice for India other than align with the West and US.

There are advantages only to the above that India will have flood gate of money open as FDI, as China enjoyed it nineties and early in this century. Technology will be freely available. Other advantages including keep Pakistan under control and supplying critical military hardware to better counter China will eliminate any hazards.

Hence, I dare say that India in next 5 years move closer and closer to the West and get over minor difficulties.
 

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With China on India’s back and unlikely to get off anytime soon, there is no other choice for India other than align with the West and US.

There are advantages only to the above that India will have flood gate of money open as FDI, as China enjoyed it nineties and early in this century. Technology will be freely available. Other advantages including keep Pakistan under control and supplying critical military hardware to better counter China will eliminate any hazards.

Hence, I dare say that India in next 5 years move closer and closer to the West and get over minor difficulties.
It's a case of once bitten twice shy. After having burnt its fingers once pls rest assured the West especially the US is in no hurry to prop up another prospective challenger to themselves any time soon. They will give us only as much is necessary to prop us up against China.

Our real differences with the West stems from Paxtan. Paxtan will be kept alive if need be on the drip to be resurrected when India grows too big for its boots.

Our only synergy with the West is on China. On most other points we've more in common with China than we've with the US or the West.
 

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It's a case of once bitten twice shy. After having burnt its fingers once pls rest assured the West especially the US is in no hurry to prop up another prospective challenger to themselves any time soon. They will give us only as much is necessary to prop us up against China.

Our real differences with the West stems from Paxtan. Paxtan will be kept alive if need be on the drip to be resurrected when India grows too big for its boots.

Our only synergy with the West is on China. On most other points we've more in common with China than we've with the US or the West.
‘Can you explain the word “Paxtan” in more details. Are you referring to Pakistan. Please do elaborate more.
 

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If we remove Tibet, Xinxiang and Mongolia (Inner), would it still be a bigger neighbour than us?
For those who're not familiar with geography of East Asia.
Let's do the math
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Area of PRC=9.6 million km^2
Area of Xinjiang: 1.6 million km^2
Area of Tibet: 1.2 million km^2
Area of Inner Mongolia: 1.2 million km^2
Area of the rest of PRC=Area of PRC-Area of Xinjiang-Area of Tibet-Area of Inner Mongolia=5.6 million km^2
Area of India: 3.3 million km^2
Area of South Asia: 5.1 million km^2


unless you're talking about population
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That'd be a another story.
 

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For those who're not familiar with geography of East Asia.
Let's do the mathView attachment 216282
Area of PRC=9.6 million km^2
Area of Xinjiang: 1.6 million km^2
Area of Tibet: 1.2 million km^2
Area of Inner Mongolia: 1.2 million km^2
Area of the rest of PRC=Area of PRC-Area of Xinjiang-Area of Tibet-Area of Inner Mongolia=5.6 million km^2
Area of India: 3.3 million km^2
Area of South Asia: 5.1 million km^2


unless you're talking about populationView attachment 216283That'd be a another story.
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