India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[A chauhan]

They might even announce the names of those chinese soldiers killed around that time.. hailing them as martyrs to extract some propoganda juice at home... but keep the number strategically to a few less than 20.. ahem .. well the others who died around that time, died in an accident, or a heart attack .. ( just like their Momin Iron brothers.. )

There was news that the families of the martyred Chinese soldiers have gone missing !? If that's true then this also won't happen, i.e. 0 losses.

 

[AmitG]

But first, public has to be prepared for eventuality of losses & setbacks.

There were losses and setbacks in Kargil too.Indian public accepts losses in terms of soldiers.Also the prospect of a large loss of territory is unlikely unless it’s a prolonged full blown war. In a skirmish or short war there will be some losses and some gains. In a full blown prolonged war we are at a disadvantage only for the simple reason that our domestic defence production capability is negligible. In long drawn wars it is how much you can manufacture locally that matters.

 

[cereal killer]

This might have been written in their war philosophy perhaps. They were in Arunachal in 62 but didn't keep it. Perhaps they like to scare their enemies by constant pushing, may be.

Yes but Chinese claim that they didn't wanted India to come after Aksai Chin in future so they gave back Arunachal & they also believed they had Taught India a lesson already & ensured 50 years of peace.

 

[ezsasa]

There were losses and setbacks in Kargil too.Indian public accepts losses in terms of soldiers.Also the prospect of a large loss of territory is unlikely unless it’s a prolonged full blown war. In a skirmish or short war there will be some losses and some gains. In a full blown prolonged war we are at a disadvantage only for the simple reason that our domestic defence production capability is negligible. In long drawn wars it is how much you can manufacture locally that matters.

These days you have to factor in social media and partisan influencers, since Kargil billions of $ have been spent to create influencers in various fields whose primary job is to outrage and keep people confused, heck even stand up comedians are being used for this purpose.

 

[Arihant]

But first, public has to be prepared for eventuality of losses & setbacks.

This is the main point. Last year itself we saw Indian people reactions when abhinandan was captured. Candle gang created havoc all over. We must sideline them before starting any war. Narrative they created using their ecosystem was very hard to counter at that time. They did that not because they are peace lover, but they never want India as a respected power. Funded by foreign NGOs and enemy countries, They always want chaos in India.

 

[Tuco]

There were losses and setbacks in Kargil too.Indian public accepts losses in terms of soldiers.Also the prospect of a large loss of territory is unlikely unless it’s a prolonged full blown war. In a skirmish or short war there will be some losses and some gains. In a full blown prolonged war we are at a disadvantage only for the simple reason that our domestic defence production capability is negligible. In long drawn wars it is how much you can manufacture locally that matters.

Times have changed now trp hungry media and bots on sm usually amplify things. Though the number of people on sm is negligible when compared to our population but things do get blown out of proportion. If a skirmish starts its better to block the popular sm platforms temporarily and only allow vetted TV reports.

 

[A chauhan]

I think they couldn't keep AP as its on our side of Himalayas.

They have a hardon for Tawang . will keep barking till end of universe for it.

That might be correct, since in 1962 it was tough to hold such a difficult terrain militarily, comparatively Gosthana was like a pond having entrance from the east easier than AP so they kept it.

Yes but Chinese claim that they didn't wanted India to come after Aksai Chin in future so they gave back Arunachal & they also believed they had Taught India a lesson already & ensured 50 years of peace.

Terrain played role here it seems.

 

[Tuco]

This is the main point. Last year itself we saw Indian people reactions when abhinandan was captured. Candle gang created havoc all over. We must sideline them before starting any war. Narrative they created using their ecosystem was very hard to counter at that time. They did that not because they are peace lover, but they never want India as a respected power. Funded by foreign NGOs and enemy countries, They always want chaos in India.

Add gora sahib syndrome also, our nut jobs will get some western left wing nut job on sm or on social media to give out a sermon and publicize it as ashareerawani everybody starts reacting to it creating mass hysteria instead of ignoring it and let it die .

 

[BangaliBabu]

Just sometime back there was a tv debate where there was a general who was in charge of Depsang when the Chinese came in and occupied Indian territory in 2013, who said India got the Chinese to vacate because the Indian army went and squatted on territory the Chinese thought of as theirs. I hope the Indian army has been given the go ahead to do the same in the current situation. If not it’s probably to late and a very stupid decision not to have done that. The mountain strike corps was supposed to be for just such a purpose.

What do you think the Army's doing now?! I said earlier earlier too, if China had to take action, it would have taken action at the earliest. What do you think is stopping them from grabbing land as of now? Talks? Virus? Economic recession? Fear of conflict boiling over? Loss of PLA expendables? Losing Taiwan? Losing face? Humiliation? Shoot-on-sight by Indian soldiers? Hell no!! This time and this month as is the coming months of the year 2020 are anyways too late for the Chinese to make any further belligerence and land gains through salami-slicing tactics.

They are hell-bent on their positions in the grey areas because the other side MADE THE SAME elsewhere. That's why the talks are going nowhere. Neither the Indians nor the Chinese are retreating because they have left no room for themselves to make a retreat. No concessions will work out too as this will mean a tactical advantage for the other. In case of Doklam, India had the higher ground and tactical advantage. Here it's not so and that's why the TALKY thing of both armies is just dragging along. It's just that the information form the other side is not coming out.

 

[Cheran]

 

[Cheran]

Commerce Ministry may hike import duty on APIs by up to 25%

Currently, India is dependent on China for nearly 70 percent of its drug imports. It is also heavily reliant on China for fermentation-based APIs, which reportedly aren't manufactured by other countries

www.moneycontrol.com

 

[Cheran]

Machli chor cheen

 

[A chauhan]

Ecuador is in South America right ?

 

[Cheran]

Ecuador is in South America right ?

Yes!!!

 

[Cheran]

Depsang...

 

[A chauhan]

Depsang...

The problem is that reports are conflicting, we should wait for official briefing by the IA itself.

 

[mokoman]

This is the main point. Last year itself we saw Indian people reactions when abhinandan was captured. Candle gang created havoc all over. We must sideline them before starting any war. Narrative they created using their ecosystem was very hard to counter at that time. They did that not because they are peace lover, but they never want India as a respected power. Funded by foreign NGOs and enemy countries, They always want chaos in India.

Candle gang

You are right. Even israel prevents media from revealing/reporting certain things.But no use explaining that to people here. They equate "Not reporting everything" to incompetent leadership

 

[Cheran]

Illegal fishing by China is a major problem world over including India:-

Hundreds of illegal Chinese fishing vessels spotted near North Korea

Satellite imaging has revealed hundreds of vessels from China fishing off the coast of North Korea, violating UN resolutions prohibiting such activity

www.newscientist.com

Chinese fishing boats took half a billion dollars of illegal squid from North Korea. Scientists used satellites to catch them out

Satellite technology and machine learning are helping track down illegal and environmentally damaging ‘dark fleets’ of fishing boats.

theconversation.com

Report: China Ranks Worst on Global Illegal Fishing Index

Anindexlaunched in February scores countries according to their degree of expos...

www.maritime-executive.com

The US military is warning that China's fishing boats are bullies and could start a war on the high seas

Stringer China/REUTERSFishing boats depart Shenjiawan port in Zhoushan, Zhejiang province toward East China Sea fishing grounds, September 17, 2012.Chinese

www.businessinsider.in

Situation was so bad that in 2016, Argentina *sank* a Chinese fishing boat:-

Argentina sinks Chinese fishing boat Lu Yan Yuan Yu 010

Argentina's coastguard chases and sinks a Chinese vessel which it says was fishing illegally in Argentine waters.

www.bbc.com

Shameless machli chor cheen

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Illegal fishing by China is a major problem world over including India:-

Hundreds of illegal Chinese fishing vessels spotted near North Korea

Satellite imaging has revealed hundreds of vessels from China fishing off the coast of North Korea, violating UN resolutions prohibiting such activity

www.newscientist.com

Chinese fishing boats took half a billion dollars of illegal squid from North Korea. Scientists used satellites to catch them out

Satellite technology and machine learning are helping track down illegal and environmentally damaging ‘dark fleets’ of fishing boats.

theconversation.com

Report: China Ranks Worst on Global Illegal Fishing Index

Anindexlaunched in February scores countries according to their degree of expos...

www.maritime-executive.com

The US military is warning that China's fishing boats are bullies and could start a war on the high seas

Stringer China/REUTERSFishing boats depart Shenjiawan port in Zhoushan, Zhejiang province toward East China Sea fishing grounds, September 17, 2012.Chinese

www.businessinsider.in

Situation was so bad that in 2016, Argentina *sank* a Chinese fishing boat:-

Argentina sinks Chinese fishing boat Lu Yan Yuan Yu 010

Argentina's coastguard chases and sinks a Chinese vessel which it says was fishing illegally in Argentine waters.

www.bbc.com

Shameless machli chor cheen

Chinese are like locusts it seems...

 

[tarunraju]

Chinese are like locusts it seems...

Chinese government engages in state-sponsored piracy. Basically the government gives an organized crime cartel of thousands of long-range fishing boats, the so-called "blue boat militia," financial sops, safe harbour, and active support from Chinese Coast Guard and PLAN, to violate other countries' EEZs for fishing, surveillance, ELINT, and even literal piracy in some cases.

These boats fish in EEZs of countries as far away as East Africa and Latin America, across the various tiny Pacific island nations that cannot enforce their EEZ rights, and even ocassionally in the waters of large nations like The Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam, etc.

RAND Corporation published a fascinating paper on this.

A Short History of China's Fishing Militia and What It May Tell Us

China's armed fishing militia plays an instrumental role in Beijing's strategy to enforce its sovereignty claims in the South China Sea and East China Sea. Why did Beijing create a maritime militia to begin with and how has it evolved over time? What does this history suggest about its future?

www.rand.org