India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[DownWithCCP]

Yup hopefully the coming weeks show us the wait was worth it.

Like someone said before, *Modi goes to ayodhya, prays to lord Ram and then declares war* , it would almost be like a movie lol

 

[prasadr14]

More like If we see a battle on the Tibetan's plataue's .

You mean, either side is going to let other's battle tanks cross the mountains into the plateau's?
Why?

 

[ARVION]

You mean, either side is going to let other's battle tanks cross the mountains into the plateau's?
Why?

Due to the strategic planning.

 

[muralidon924]

Sorry if it's a repost

 

[mokoman]

There is absolutely no mention of a chopper crash near the LAC recently.
Please quote your source.

Not recently , but there were reports of hard landings,mechanical issues.

probably due to increased sorties , more flying = more mechanical trouble.

 

[Sehwag213]

When does CCP have a meeting in August ?

 

[garg_bharat]

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May be the biggest Chinese front in the West. UK and China were in tight embrace for a long time until HK security law happened.

China is in a hurry. Why? China was widely regarded to replace USA anyway by 2050 but China's Xi wants it by 2025. This has alarmed the Western deep state.

 

[Bhadra]

Deterrence from Denial to Punishment
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An old colleague, a good well brought up young Army officer would hold me sometimes while descending down the steep slopes of Larmarg. graduated into a surefooted galloping deer within months. But probably he did not like the deprivation of icy mountains and jungles and resigned to follow his academic pursuits. Did his masters and PhD under Stephen P Cohen and is a professor in Singapore university.

Anit Mukharjee has written some very acclaimed pieces on Indian strategic landscape. One of his papers " From Denial to Punishment: The Security Dilemma and Changes in India’s Military Strategy towards China' was wellrecived in the strategic circles."

I will use hisframe work in gazing through the present crisis.

 

[Bhadra]

Deterrence from Denial to Punishment
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A typical Security Dilemma (SD) exists between India and China along the borders and on high seas. SD is a state when action taken by one side to increase its security invites a counter reaction from the other thereby further leading to decrease in its the security. For example a Road construction by India near LAC to increase its security has lead to Chinese inching closer on LAC thereby further decreasing security of India. Or the Chinese moves in Doklam to increase its security lead to Indian deployment there which has decreased security of China.

The security regime works on the doctrines of deterrence . If deterrence is “manipulation” of adversary’s behavior by threatening “harm,” “denial” and “punishment” are the two ways through which harm is inflicted.

Earlier Indian military strategy against China was “Deterrence by Denial” which has changed to “ Deterrence by Punishment”. Over the last decade, India’s military strategy shows a major shift to “deterrence by punishment”: Indian military now intends to take the battle into Chinese territory or target Chinese assets in the high-seas.

A deterrent strategy premised on denial “deters chiefly” by negatively affecting the adversary’s “estimate of the probability of gaining his objective” by creating a “capacity to deny territorial gains to the enemy.”

On the other hand, “deterrence by punishment” entails raising the costs for the adversary by taking the offensive to the enemy: to take the battle to its own territory, destroy resources dear to the enemy, or reduce its war-making potential. Denial works on manipulating the adversary’s calculation of the likelihood of victory; punishment, on the other hand, manipulates the adversary’s calculations of costs involved in perpetrating aggression.

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[Bhadra]

Deterrence from Denial to Punishment
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Keeping the above framework in view, let us see how has Modi’s India has worked on the latest Security dilemma China has created for India.

• If the Chinese actions are directed at Road DSDBO. India has made it clear that it will be carried on. India is on the verge of completion of the road project.
• India has so far deployed its military machine on denial mode that is for raising the costs for China to advance any further at an unacceptable loss, as also more or less standing firm on its territorial integrity and sovereignty.
• India has also taken a small punitive action in Galwan thereby clearly signaling that India was willing to use military instruments to punish China for its misadventure.
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• Punishment by Other means=
• Banning 104 apps to impose economic costs and destroying resources dear to the enemy.
• Formation and participation of quad is an attempt to take the battle to an area that certainly is more dear and harmful to China than LAC.
• Not falling for the Chinese trap for a direct military confrontation at contested areas where China gained positional and numerical superiority due to military pre-emption.
• Maintaining ambiguity of time and place of military counteractions.
• The diplomatic offensive against China and attempts at its isolation.
• Further decoupling of the Indian economy from Chinese with prospects of larger economic cost to the enemy.

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[Bhadra]

Deterrence from Denial to Punishment​

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• So far the strategy seems to be going towards making the Chinese deploy and maintain a large force on LAC for the entire Cold season which they have not done so far.
• Deploy additional forces to thwart any collusive military action by Pakistan and China.
• Maintain adequate reserves to retain initiative for launching offensive operations anywhere along the LAC.
• The last two actions will further force China to maintain forces in Aksaichin and impose heavy costs. Maintaining large forces in Aksaichin and Tibet is definitely much more expensive for China than India in spite of its good infrastructure.

Overall, it seems that India has adopted a strategy of denial on the military front and a strategy of punishment on diplomatic and economic front which is going to be very painful to China. Chinese strategy of using India’s internal fault lines to instigate Modi to fall into a trap of military aggression has not succeeded so far in spite of Congress and Communist camps and some sold out media shouting for military action or diplomatic surrender every day.

 

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[daya]

Saala chootiya hai mantri.. Hamare yahan 140 Crore rahte hain... Mat bhej gorkhaon ko.. ham apne yahan ke logon ko employment denge... Nepali Gorkha fauj me bharti hokar hamko revenue nahi dete generate karke.. balki unko yahan se pagaar aur pension milti hai.. Har nepali mantri santri bhaang kha raha hai... Oli ke saath sabke dimaag kharab ho gaye hain...

 

[DownWithCCP]

Any links to chopper crash?

 

[Knowitall]

Any links to chopper crash?

Winter is favourable to the chinese so India will have to plan its movies fast.

 

[nick_indian]

Winter is favourable to the chinese so India will have to plan its movies fast.

Which movies ? Salman bhai ones ?

 

[Sanglamorre]

Which movies ? Salman bhai ones ?

Wolf Warrior 3: Propahgandu

 

[cereal killer]

Saala chootiya hai mantri.. Hamare yahan 140 Crore rahte hain... Mat bhej gorkhaon ko.. ham apne yahan ke logon ko employment denge... Nepali Gorkha fauj me bharti hokar hamko revenue nahi dete generate karke.. balki unko yahan se pagaar aur pension milti hai.. Har nepali mantri santri bhaang kha raha hai... Oli ke saath sabke dimaag kharab ho gaye hain...

Enough Gorkhas in Sikkim & some other NE states. Stop the pensions of ex Gorkhas in Nepal... Let them cry ungrateful piece of shi*

 

[Kumata]

China moves PLA battalion across India’s Lipulekh Pass. It’s a signal

There has been thinning of troops at the standoff points along the LAC but the disengagement is still work in progress.

www.hindustantimes.com

China has mobilised a battalion strength of People’s Liberation Army soldiers near Uttarakhand’s Lipulekh Pass, one of the locations along the Line of Actual Control that have witnessed movement of Chinese troops over the last few weeks outside of the Ladakh sector, people familiar with the matter told Hindustan Times.

 

[prasadr14]

Are the Chinkies out of their mind?!!

They are really considering crossing the mountains & attack us..
Wondering what would happen in case India manages to cut of their supply lines and thousands of their troops are trapped on our side for the picking...