India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[fire starter]

lol..

 

[EarthCitizen]

This song will be hit on d.pk,this will burn their but.. To.

yes it will be XD

 

[Kumata]

What if our dear Su30 fall short in war? Absence of EULA will do no good.
You need equipment that works in the threat environment you have. And it is likely such equipment will come with some restrictions. You guys are trying to equate weapons with soap and toothpaste. Not the case. .

We are assuming things. What's the guarantee that American hardware will not fail. With Russians atleast we have the advantage of them being able to supply us spares and everything at short notice...Machines do fail .. they are bound to .... but who gives u best support when they fail is what matters...

If you think F16 we buy from America will be restricted against Pakistan/China, make your concern known and draft the contract in such away as to avoid that possibility.

Adn you think we did not tried this ... EUA is non negotiable....

If we can replace Apache with own helicopters, why did we buy in the first place? If there is a war in next three months (highly likely) which local helicopter will replace Apache. I think more a possibility of India begging for more Apache.

I call it balancing act we did to keep them happy and show that we are serious but in equal partnership...and there is no begging ... it;s pure business.. they have something to sell and we have a need ...

and you need to stop thinking that they are doing us favor......

 

[Sehwag213]

Three More Divisions in Ladakh : The Tweet
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I was wondering on a tweet posted in the Forum which stated that India is moving 65000 more troops to Ladakh. At the face of it. it appears as nonsensical due to share logistical nightmare it can create. As also the limitation of space.

However we may only be looking at one direction only. Come to think of it - India might at a critical moment forced to do it. If China indeed is aiming to capture DBO and Link up Shaksgam Pass with Karakarom Pass. India will have to option but to hit at the base of Shaksagam Valley and prevent such a linkup.

In that eventuality. Three divisions will hold on and retake DBO from Easter Ladakh and the other three divisions will have to be employed to capture Sakradu and beyond.

Chinese game plan can very easily be thwarted this way.

If China has great advantage of entering POK from Khunjreb and Shaksgam. and tackle DBO from many directions, India on other hand has great advantages in their abilities to interdict G-219 at many places as also thwart Chinese military moves via Indus valley.

This is not a big deal. India only has to move only one out of three strike corps to Ladakh.. and deploy those facing Skardu...
There is military possibility of six divisions being in Ladakh... to prevent worst-case scenario...

Pakistan mara jaiga. ... aur Cheen ko bhagna parega..

Don't know if it is true.

 

[Bhadra]

An All-Weather Highway to Leh ??​

Raod Manli - keyloing - Shinkula pass - Darcha - Padum - Kargil - Leh. an all-weather double lane raod.

BRO’s Project Vijayak has built this road network by cutting through tough mountains and building a motorable road. This new road connectivity will be the third axis after Srinagar-Leh and Manali via Leh routes connecting Ladakh to the rest of the country. The initial trekking route connecting Jammu and Kashmir at Padum in Kargil’s Zanskar to Darcha in Lahaul Valley of Himachal Pradesh through Shinkula Pass is the connecting alignment. Lahul valley had been widened and turned into a motorable road by the persistent efforts of BRO men by using high-end machinery.

This alignment will serve Kargil Sector as also Leh.

 

[garg_bharat]

We are assuming things. What's the guarantee that American hardware will not fail. With Russians atleast we have the advantage of them being able to supply us spares and everything at short notice...Machines do fail .. they are bound to .... but who gives u best support when they fail is what matters...



Adn you think we did not tried this ... EUA is non negotiable....



I call it balancing act we did to keep them happy and show that we are serious but in equal partnership...and there is no begging ... it;s pure business.. they have something to sell and we have a need ...

and you need to stop thinking that they are doing us favor......

Dear friend, Russians are no match of USA in electronics. The microprocessor in your PC on which you are typing was invented in the USA, not USSR.

China unfortunately has copied much of American technology through espionage or simply by purchasing power. Russia may be very friendly but it simply does not have cutting edge tech.

Cutting edge tech can be purchased from Europe but at a higher price than America. And other limitations come into play like scale.

EUA
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I think you are talking distant history. Now deals are happening due to some changes have occurred. Thank Parriker.

Equal partnership
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There will be no equal partnership unless India transitions to a developed country.

 

[Bhadra]

Don't know if it is true.

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To suru Ho gaya.... strategy of Indirect approach... ab ayaega Maza..

 

[Lancer]

Three More Divisions in Ladakh : The Tweet
​

I was wondering on a tweet posted in the Forum which stated that India is moving 65000 more troops to Ladakh. At the face of it. it appears as nonsensical due to share logistical nightmare it can create. As also the limitation of space.

However we may only be looking at one direction only. Come to think of it - India might at a critical moment forced to do it. If China indeed is aiming to capture DBO and Link up Shaksgam Pass with Karakarom Pass. India will have to option but to hit at the base of Shaksagam Valley and prevent such a linkup.

In that eventuality. Three divisions will hold on and retake DBO from Easter Ladakh and the other three divisions will have to be employed to capture Sakradu and beyond.

Chinese game plan can very easily be thwarted this way.

If China has great advantage of entering POK from Khunjreb and Shaksgam. and tackle DBO from many directions, India on other hand has great advantages in their abilities to interdict G-219 at many places as also thwart Chinese military moves via Indus valley.

This is not a big deal. India only has to move only one out of three strike corps to Ladakh.. and deploy those facing Skardu...
There is military possibility of six divisions being in Ladakh... to prevent worst-case scenario...

Pakistan mara jaiga. ... aur Cheen ko bhagna parega..

Why not pre-empt the whole situation? Find a window of time when the Chinese would be unable to take any serious action against India (due to climate + terrain and/or geopolitical situation), and make a move for PoJK.

Take any excuse and escalate severely against the Pakistanis; artificially precipitate a crisis.

The Chinese may still continue screwing with us at various other locations - but at least the whole issue of BRI and Chi-Pak physical axis will be finished.

And a militarily crippled Pak will be much less of a 2nd front threat too - follow this up by doing everything to fuel or create insurgencies in vulnerable areas (Balochistan, FATA/KPK, maybe even something in Sindh). In due time, Pakistan will be on the verge of disintegration - while India is freed up to focus most of its attention and resources on the Eastern front.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

M777 gun, P8i are definitely offensive weapons.
C17, C130H you can say are non-offensive.
Chinook is non offensive but Apache is offensive. Both platforms require heavy spares support. In case of Apache, all ammo and missiles too.
Many more examples. Just want to show error in your argument.

Once the snow stops the supplies in ladakh in wintee; it is the C-17s, C-130s and chinooks which will be indispensable in supplying our troops..

 

[DownWithCCP]

Why not pre-empt the whole situation? Find a window of time when the Chinese would be unable to take any serious action against India (due to climate + terrain and/or geopolitical situation), and make a move for PoJK.

Take any excuse and escalate severely against the Pakistanis; artificially precipitate a crisis.

The Chinese may still continue screwing with us at various other locations - but at least the whole issue of BRI and Chi-Pak physical axis will be finished.

And a militarily crippled Pak will be much less of a 2nd front threat too - follow this up by doing everything to fuel or create insurgencies in vulnerable areas (Balochistan, FATA/KPK, maybe even something in Sindh). In due time, Pakistan will be on the verge of disintegration - while India is freed up to focus most of its attention and resources on the Eastern front.

This is somewhat similar to what was written in the eurasian times, about a false flag operation against pakistan.

 

[Kumata]

Dear friend, Russians are no match of USA in electronics. The microprocessor in your PC on which you are typing was invented in the USA, not USSR.

China unfortunately has copied much of American technology through espionage or simply by purchasing power. Russia may be very friendly but it simply does not have cutting edge tech.

Cutting edge tech can be purchased from Europe but at a higher price than America. And other limitations come into play like scale.

EUA
----

I think you are talking distant history. Now deals are happening due to some changes have occurred. Thank Parriker.

Equal partnership
-------------------

There will be no equal partnership unless India transitions to a developed country.

this is end less discussion...I rest my case...All i can say is US might have big tech but it's useless if i cannot use it when i need.. Russians might have fallen behind but they are reliable and we can fall on them when needed....

Equal partnership - Let it be that way... We are not begging uncle sam ...its otherwise

 

[Lancer]

This is somewhat similar to what was written in the eurasian times, about a false flag operation against pakistan.

As horrible/de-legitimizing as a false flag attack could be, if that's what it takes, that's what it takes...

Maybe allow some terror plot to continue (after getting advance intelligence on it) - but make preparations to minimize damage. Then use the attack as an excuse to begin a "sustained period of anti-terror operations."

Sort of like how Israel takes over half of Lebanon every few years - except we'll never go back.

Hell, what if we used some of our leftover stocks of Chemical/Biological weapons - launched a fake attack on our own troops (with antidotes ready) - then used that as a solid basis to declare war?

In a post-Corona world, where many believe the virus is from the Wuhan Lab, and with that one random news story of China and Pakistan allegedly teaming up for a Chemical/Bioweapon lab on Pakistani soil (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ern-countries-report/articleshow/77139556.cms) - the official story writes itself.

 

[Waanar]

@Lancer bruh.
Calm yo titz

 

[SavageKing456]

People are talking much about 5th august?
What else is going to happen except bhumi pooja?

 

[Sanglamorre]

To suru Ho gaya.... strategy of Indirect approach... ab ayaega Maza..

That handle is reliable?

 

[DownWithCCP]

People are talking much about 5th august?
What else is going to happen except bhumi pooja?

Anniversary of abrogation of article 370.Some people believe(not on these forums but on Twitter) that something big is gonna happen.

 

[Kumata]

Anniversary of abrogation of article 370.Some people believe(not on these forums but on Twitter) that something big is gonna happen.

We need alibi to screw porkis again..

 

[Sehwag213]

Ok they have opened another front

 

[tarunraju]

Looks like Surgical Strikes Ep 3 going to happen.

 

[Bhadra]

Ok they have opened another front

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Here Hrere... the Chinese have started their games...