India-China 2020 Border Dispute - Military and Strategic Discussion

[dude00720]

It's Chinese land and actual control, but India do not acknowledge.

India think the aksai-chin is India's land .

The border have not confirmed by both country.

Both the country need to respect the current situation, but India haven't respect the current situation.

The distance from 3 Gorges Dam to Arunachal Pradesh is well within the range of Agni-2 missile.

 

[HKedifier]

yes.
The day Xitler says no one died is the day we will release pics as well as Videos...

Hey, we just might release them anyway soon...

Look forward the death number of Chinese solder , I also concern it.

 

[Sehwag213]

Please stop feeding the troll and derail this thread.

 

[HKedifier]

The distance from 3 Gorges Dam to Arunachal Pradesh is well within the range of Agni-2 missile.

India people is so anti-human? So shame on you.

 

[Synergy]

You picture or evidence of 16 bodies?

yes. picture as well as materialistic evidence. those will be made public after this de-escalation drama.

and we have not asked Chinese govt to provide proof of martyrdom of our 20 soldiers. did we?
acknowledging casualty and giving those fallen soldiers much deserved honour is an example of professionalism a force have. anyways...

when your govt is not providing you satisfactory answer, that means you have something to hide. I think you all can figure out what your govt is trying to hide.

 

[dude00720]

India people is so anti-human? So shame on you.

Say that to the Uighurs whom you are sterilising in Xinjinag

 

[Sehwag213]

The distance from 3 Gorges Dam to Arunachal Pradesh is well within the range of Agni-2 missile.

This was not needed.

 

[fire starter]

 

[dude00720]

This was not needed.

Never asked permission. We fight our own wars

 

[Synergy]

It's Chinese land and actual control, but India do not acknowledge.

India think the aksai-chin is India's land .

The border have not confirmed by both country.

Both the country need to respect the current situation, but India haven't respect the current situation.

read your previous replies again.

now free Aksai Chin, Shaksgam valley, Tibet, Xinjiang that you have occupied illegally.

 

[Synergy]

Our gov said nothing about the death , do not want to stimulate India people.

lol

 

[garg_bharat]

Our gov said nothing about the death , do not want to stimulate India people.

You need to ask your dictator Xi directly.
Go meet him.

 

[Synergy]

release a official map that India include Tibet and HK？

lol, what an official map will do? what about official maps (both British and later Indian) that include Aksai Chin? when China respected any official map? when China respected international judgements like UNCLOS one?
but world will make sure that it abides by international verdicts. it's modern world ruled by law and treaties, not by any medieval mindset.

P.S. : Tibet, Xinjiang etc don't belong to India. but also those don't belong to China either.

 

[Bhadra]

NO Body And Everybody Called CSG
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If India suffers losses at DBO the high profile CSG (China Study Group) would be solely responsible for it..

DBO and Karakorum is not any new problem for Sino - Indian boundary issue. Though all strategic analyst link up the DBO problem to Siachin but DBO was also linked to Karakoram pass and its proximity to G219. Out of entire Ladakh which is nearest to G219 and capable of threatening G-219 as also Shakshgam Area.

One look at the Chinese pattern of operations in 1962 Operation in Ladakh and subsequent patrolling patterns clearly gives out the Chinese interest in DOB. The Chinese and Indian Tamsha that has been happening around the Trig Heights Areas every year is well known to those who have been made responsible for Sino-Indian relations. Chinese subsequently shifted the dispute line ahead of Raki Nala and towards Jeewan Nala inching forward to Y junction or Bottleneck is so evident that even the blind man could have deciphered what Chinese were upto it.

And Lo! what CSG did ?? Created an independent Sector there called SSN based on ITBP. Independent ITBP Sector in most threatened Area ? An area where Chinese have direct access from Xinjiang as also from rear ares of Aksaichin - the only area having two road axis... The area where Chinese since 1962 always came mounted on trucks .... It took hell of efforts on our part to put a few trucks there with ITBP.

Chinese came ... always and every time ... but returned. Even in 2013 they returned after a prolonged time. But this time they have come not to return as is evident from Chinese having blocked Galwan valley and Kangka appraoches to Chip Chap River.

One is flabbergasted at Indian Security establishments approach towards China. The biggest guilty man of 1962 was Bhala Nath Malic. the then Director IB but Indian did not draw an appropriate lesson out of it. Instead on one BN Malik India has created a body of irrelevant people called CSG as super BN Malik with the sole purpose of depriving the India Army of their independence and freedom of military operations on Chines border.. and MEA is the biggest culprit in doing so..

One can not imagine by those who are casting aspirations on Army today that Army or ITBP can not deploy even a single soldier anywhere without approval of CSG. And who is CSG - nobody and everybody ... all those who can not be held accountable and responsible - FS. Secretary MHA. Directors R&W and IB, VCOS/ DGMO. JS(E), PMO... Pakad La .. kisko pakadoge...

What nonsense..

 

[HKedifier]

lol, what an official map will do? what about official maps (both British and later Indian) that include Aksai Chin? when China respected any official map? when China respected international judgements like UNCLOS one?
but world will make sure that it abides by international verdicts. it's modern world ruled by law and treaties, not by any medieval mindset.

P.S. : Tibet, Xinjiang etc don't belong to India. but also those don't belong to China either.

If not an offical map of India claim Tibet and HK belong to India , why you said Tibet and HK belong to India?

Strange logic.

 

[LDev]

The SU-3OMKI is essentially unchanged from the first batch manufactured by HAL IMO. While hvtiaf may say that it now has multiple air to ground pgm munitions integrated, the fact of the matter is that when the IAF wanted to strike Balakot it opted for the Mirage 2000. The Bars NO11M Pesa radar is outclassed by the PESA Irbis NO35 in the SU-35 which the PLAAF has acquired in 2018. And while the MTBF for a AESA radar is higher than a PESA, the AESA is also less susceptible to jamming.

When the IAF bought the first batch of SU-30Ks in 1997 they were air to air interceptors and for the 1997 time frame they were competitive in terms of their radar as well as their AAMs. The IAF wanted to turn them into multi role fighters and through a lot of blood, sweat and tears working through a difficult OEM and the likes of HAL, 15 years later the SU-30 is now somewhat of a multi role fighter, but time has taken it's toll and while it may be halfway towards fulfilling a strike role, it has IMO fallen behind in it's air combat role. The NO11M is now outclassed by a whole host of AESA radars in the last 15 years but it's real drawback are the less than competitive Russian AAMs. The RVV-AE was outclassed by the AMRAAM AIM-120C5 on the day after Balakot and even PM Modi said that the Rafale would have made a difference on that day. That is also the reason the Astra will replace the RVV-AE. And because it is a Russian aircraft with a Russian radar, a lot of Western PGMs are not available to be integrated on it. Upgrading the SU-30 fleet is IMO a real challenge for the IAF. There is an enormous amount of sunk cost in the fleet. And the shortcomings of the SU-30, even though they will not be explicitly admitted is the real reason IMO as to why the IAF wants a western fighter via MMRCA2.

Consider also in the current crisis with China the IAF has sent 10 Jaguars armed with Block 2 AGM 84 Harpoons to Car Nicobar to supplement Harpoon armed P-8s, rather than SU-30s with the KH-31. While the KH-31 is a supersonic missile it is comprehensively outranged by the Harpoon. What does that say about the SU-30s multi role capability?

 

[HKedifier]

You need to ask your dictator Xi directly.
Go meet him.

We Chinese people believe Central government , we don't want to ask.

 

[muralidon924]

If not an offical map of India claim Tibet and HK belong to India , why you said Tibet and HK belong to India?

Strange logic.

But the 9 dash line is full proof logic

 

[Bhadra]

These kind of articles are simply to paint own country in bad light. Of course army has the capability to supply its troops in winter.

Garg Saheb, there nothing bad painted there but only pointing twoards the realities. Dare refute what is stated...
The present govt is very much aware of it and spending a fortune to build infrastructure there to obviate the logistics problem. Let the new infrastructure come up and within one yaer India will be able to sustain ten divisions there..
If the proposed Bilaspur- Manali railway line comes up innext three years . Ambala based 2 Corps with it armored division will be in Ladakh in two days.

That is what spooked China and Pakistan...

Imagine India mounting a massive attack on GB without going through Jammu and Srinagar in any manner.. CPEC is fu**d...

 

[Kumata]

If not an offical map of India claim Tibet and HK belong to India , why you said Tibet and HK belong to India?

Strange logic.

Dude,

Pls ask your CCP to first teach you good english...tibet and Akshai hind are illegaly occupied by china. Go and google ( if u have access) for 1910 treaty between british india and China.. which clearly states that both are part of india.. infact till 50's , india used to supply everything to tibet... we are spiritually as well historically connected...

Akshai chin is illegally occupied ur whinny the pooh . if CCP did not taught u history, pls shut up and brush ur your knowledge...