India-China 2020 Border conflict

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Now what would an F-117A Stealth Fighter be doing in China? According to the article, the F-117A mockup is sitting at the Electro-Optical Technology Development Center in Luoyang, China. Apparently the center does R&D for Chinese air-to-air missiles.

its been there since 2010 , they use it for defence equipment testing.


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Hate these guys... the kind of hatred they have for India is unbelievable.... not that we are doing anything spectacular... but still....
Somehow only cringe statements from some idiot on our side makes it to news (on purpose ofcourse). And these idiots feast on them.
from what i read online vikrant is 1 generation ahead of shandong , read same thing even on sino forums.

:notbad: which is surprising , considering we are 20 years behind them in everything else.
 
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something is def going on there.

general rawat visited there recently , meaning chinese are upto usual shit.

we are in full control of that area , the chinese consider kaurik as their territory , but we have the high ground - good roads along ridges , nearby posts .
Among, Ladakh sector, Uttarakhand/central sector, sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh, where do we have the best infrastructure and where is it the worst?
Basically I want to know the infrastructure ranking in the 4 sectors.
 

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Among, Ladakh sector, Uttarakhand/central sector, sikkim and Arunachal Pradesh, where do we have the best infrastructure and where is it the worst?
Basically I want to know the infrastructure ranking in the 4 sectors.
Bhai railway is there or not ?
I don't think so
Our railway is very weak in all the four regions.
 

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Meanwhile our own Dallas

The CPI and the CPI(M) on Thursday congratulated the Communist Party of China on its centenary, and said the way the country handled the coronavirus pandemic and put back the economy on a growth trajectory is a “lesson for the world”.

CPI(M) General Secretary Sitaram Yechury, in his letter to Chinese premier and general secretary of the Communist Party of China (CPC) Xi Jinping, said that the history of the last century holds testimony to the manner in which China has evolved its policies, often identifying and correcting its mistakes.

 
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Bhai humara vikrant bhi to waisa hi lagta hai , china ko badai nai kar raha hoon.
Wo bc bana bhi to lete hai jaldi se .
Hamara tech design 1990s ka hai. Woh jaldh toh banate hain par sab tofu maal hain. Andhar dekhein tho pichle zamane ka tech hotha hai. J series jets mein be yahi haalat hain. Woh purani sukhoi design ki reverse engineering kartein hain. Uske baad tech ko aadhunik karne mein lag jaatein hain - par savaal yeh paidha hotha hai ki woh adhuniktham kar pathein hain ki nahin. Unke carriers ko dekthe yahi lagtha hai ki woh kar nahi pathein hain ya tho dilli abhi bhi dhoor hain. Unke bullet train aur maglev tech ka bhi yahi haalat hain. Chura tho lethein hain siemens ya Shinkansen se, par phir usko latest Gen ki tech banana mein woh safal nahin hothain hain, kyonki churaye hue R&D se next gen tech nahin bana sakthe hain. Sabhi vaignyaniko ko yeh patha hai. Samjhe?
 

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Hamara tech design 1990s ka hai. Woh jaldh toh banate hain par sab tofu maal hain. Andhar dekhein tho pichle zamane ka tech hotha hai. J series jets mein be yahi haalat hain. Woh purani sukhoi design ki reverse engineering kartein hain. Uske baad tech ko aadhunik karne mein lag jaatein hain - par savaal yeh paidha hotha hai ki woh adhuniktham kar pathein hain ki nahin. Unke carriers ko dekthe yahi lagtha hai ki woh kar nahi pathein hain ya tho dilli abhi bhi dhoor hain. Unke bullet train aur maglev tech ka bhi yahi haalat hain. Chura tho lethein hain siemens ya Shinkansen se, par phir usko latest Gen ki tech banana mein woh safal nahin hothain hain, kyonki churaye hue R&D se next gen tech nahin bana sakthe hain. Sabhi vaignyaniko ko yeh patha hai. Samjhe?
Samjha gaya ,mahanubhav .
Churiye hui cheez se ap kewal ek exam pass karsakte ho .
Agle exam me lagni hai
 
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No need to underestimate, they are major player in ship building and only a matter of time before they go nuclear....it is a given they will get their marine engines full spectrum. With that kind of check book, they can buy talent, steal, bribe and lot more options to get tech that they dont have.....this explains the desperation from western honchos but they may just have been too late and still have their head in their asses dealing with gender divided populations

I think China getting to top is good for India as finally we get to either build up or vanish in some sense.....good wake up call with Galwan and the transformations happening in our system atm
This remains to be seen. Stolen, reverse engineering can only give first generation technology. It cannot get them the latest or futuristic tech. For instance the river they sent to Mars is first generation tech - 3 or 4 generations behind NASA rovers. Same with their carriers, j series jets, WS10 engine etc. You can build quickly first Gen tech by stealing, hir8ng talent, reverse engineering but without the foundational expertise that comes from repeated trials and errors to get to a particular technology, they cannot field latest Gen technology. Even their ICBMs have the same issue - 1960s tech that are no match for our Agni series tech.
All tech they are catching up to - bullet trains, space launch, carriers, jets etc - are all 1960s/1970s tech. Let me know when they can build a Brahmos type missile that only came after years of joint R&D with the Russians. They have no one to collaborate with, and doing it all alone. And now it is going to get even harder as all countries crack down on tech cooperation with China. Look at how Huawei 5G plans and access to chips technology have gone down immensely after bans.
Their scientific ecosystem and R&D will only degrade as they get shut out of international programs. They cannot do everything on their own. They don’t have the money for such R&D. Even the US has a lot of joint R&D programs with other countries which is a major reason the US fields advanced tech in all areas. China will not be able to catch up with zero collab with others. They will be left behind as others collaborate to get ahead.
‘The Chinese will always have quantities but their tech will always be a generation or two behind.
 
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Ass kissing to get some Tesla sales? Lol. The CCP is not stupid. They will steal his tech and introduce a car called Telsa from Great Wall Motors. And drive Musk away. But he doesn’t care - a lot of his base tech was developed using American tax payers money anyways. He just wants to profit unethically like any other billionaire. Lol.
 

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This remains to be seen. Stolen, reverse engineering can only give first generation technology. It cannot get them the latest or futuristic tech. For instance the river they sent to Mars is first generation tech - 3 or 4 generations behind NASA rovers. Same with their carriers, j series jets, WS10 engine etc. You can build quickly first Gen tech by stealing, hir8ng talent, reverse engineering but without the foundational expertise that comes from repeated trials and errors to get to a particular technology, they cannot field latest Gen technology. Even their ICBMs have the same issue - 1960s tech that are no match for our Agni series tech.
All tech they are catching up to - bullet trains, space launch, carriers, jets etc - are all 1960s/1970s tech. Let me know when they can build a Brahmos type missile that only came after years of joint R&D with the Russians. They have no one to collaborate with, and doing it all alone. And now it is going to get even harder as all countries crack down on tech cooperation with China. Look at how Huawei 5G plans and access to chips technology have gone down immensely after bans.
Their scientific ecosystem and R&D will only degrade as they get shut out of international programs. They cannot do everything on their own. They don’t have the money for such R&D. Even the US has a lot of joint R&D programs with other countries which is a major reason the US fields advanced tech in all areas. China will not be able to catch up with zero collab with others. They will be left behind as others collaborate to get ahead.
‘The Chinese will always have quantities but their tech will always be a generation or two behind.
How about their tanks and other weaponry are they obsolete too
 

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How about their tanks and other weaponry are they obsolete too
I wouldn’t say obsolete but a generation or two behind the west. Their base has always been to develop off of 1960s/70s Soviet tech. Russians have not really collaborated with them in any latest Gen R&D like they do with us. So they probably had to develop everything to catch up.
I am pretty sure it is next to impossible to catch up with the west on every single futuristic tech. That is their aim but they are a long way off from it.
I don’t think Chinese tanks can compete with the Merkava or M1A1 Abrams. These tanks have actually seen action and deficiencies would have been plugged from real field data. No amount of simulations can give you quality of data like those from live war action. So, my conclusion is that Chinese tanks must be behind as well. Again they don’t have access to advanced automotive engine technology- if they did, they will be manufacturing Ferraris and Lamborghini type fast cars that can compete in international races. How many Chinese fast cars do you see in formula 1 races? The answer is zero. This means the engines in tanks that Chinese field would not be as good as the western engines.
We simply see no evidence of use of advanced Chinese technology in any global projects, events, research etc. This alone says they are far away from latest Gen tech in a number of critical areas. My bet is that they will actually fall behind as cooperation doors get shut. Wolf warrior diplomacy, HK national security law, South China Sea transgression, killing our soldiers, trying to enslave Australians, threatening to invade Taiwan, wreaking the Wuhan virus on the world, using consulates to steal IP - everything bad that they could do they have done. Now they are on their own. Let’s see what they can come up with.
‘Meanwhile we are part of MTCR (China is not), which allows us to cooperate in advanced weaponry areas. That is the difference.
 
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