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Have countries started asking for reparations from China for unleashing China virus on the world ? Sometime back there was news that US would be seeking substantial reparations and perhaps freezing Chinese assets

WHO type of investigations in China are a non starter because China would have destroyed all evidence. Perhaps India should make a large reparation demand taking into account the havoc and damage China has caused to India with their bio-terrorism
 

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If. India wants to stop the war.....then India should leaves the peaks....and also should obey 1959 lac
Otherwise there is no option to stop the war...
If china backs to its original position...... leaving f4 to f8..then it will be a big diplomatic win
 

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@Bhumihar you are the light of the forum.... How could I ignore you.

Tackling Islamic Fundamentalism is a national issue for India not today but for two thousand years. Indians have dealt with many of Islamic Fundamentalism with the best available measures they could.

Indian approach has never been "suppression" but "assimilation". Nawab Nehru and Congress though adopted "appeasement" and providing special privileged status to Muslims in continuation of Muslim rule of India.
However, Indian Hindus had to suffer innumerable cruelty. Look at these



But now the approach seems to abolish the special and specific religious privileges not consistent with the Constitution of India.

India is not Russia or China or Pakistan. The only way to deal with Islam in India is not to allow any special privileges to it but be brought down to be at par with all others.
we did had the opportunity to correct in 1947 but alas only if wished were horses...
 

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How will the GOI react to this.

What does everyone think about this situation.

It seems pakistan is using the cover of current India-china standoff to pass this in the hope that India wouldn't react to this due to our current situation. They are making a guess that we won't fight a two front war.
Well, they are mistaken this time. GOI for a change even have protested for elections being held in GB .. saying this is illegal... IMO it's about time now... nothing else....they are well prepared under the shadow of Chinese aggression...
 

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If. India wants to stop the war.....then India should leaves the peaks....and also should obey 1959 lac
Otherwise there is no option to stop the war...
If china backs to its original position...... leaving f4 to f8..then it will be a big diplomatic win
Well why 1959 at LOC only than... let us go back to johnson line and stop this once for all....Let china go back and liberate tibet as well... and go back to their pre 50's LOC
 

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@Bhumihar you are the light of the forum.... How could I ignore you.

Tackling Islamic Fundamentalism is a national issue for India not today but for two thousand years. Indians have dealt with many of Islamic Fundamentalism with the best available measures they could.

Indian approach has never been "suppression" but "assimilation". Nawab Nehru and Congress though adopted "appeasement" and providing special privileged status to Muslims in continuation of Muslim rule of India.
However, Indian Hindus had to suffer innumerable cruelty. Look at these

Girl Child infantile killing so save one from ignonimity of Girls being sold in Arab Markets
Purda Syste to save the honour of women folks
Widespread Johar system in frontier Rajputanas to prevent women from falling in the hands of Muslim Armies
Paying Jazia to be faithful to your God..
Accepting Forced Labour system
Forsaking their fertile land everywhere
Surrendering their places of Worships
Surrendering to Bhakti Movements to save oneself from religious identifications and persecution...
Loot plunder and violence of Muslim Armies, soldiers and Feudals who completely destroyed Indian Rural monetary systems

It is unfortunate Nawab Nehru chose to retain all enslaving measures Indian Hindus were subjected to by the marauders.

But now the approach seems to abolish the special and specific religious privileges not consistent with the Constitution of India.

India is not Russia or China or Pakistan. The only way to deal with Islam in India is not to allow any special privileges to it but be brought down to be at par with all others.
All that oppression was a result of incompetant Indian kings too that we easily forget. Islam worked on rule of sword. We did well to save our religion despite under Islamic rule.
Appeasement worked briefly as country was very fragile after partition. J&K was obviously a blunder. The system adopted by Dogra rulers should never have been scrapped. All the administration power was in the hands of local hindus back then. As soon as Sheikh Abdullah was given reigns of power dude changed the complexion completely. KP's were sort of overlords of Kashmir, all was hunky dory. But everything changed systematically as soon as Kashmiri M's got hold of power.

You are spot on.. If we take away the privileges... Everything can still be sorted. Take away their minority benefits coz they ain't minority in J&K. But SC is still too dumb to see this. That's why they repeatedly ignore the plea. Appeasement is still going on.
 

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FIRING TRIALS OF KALYANI GROUP'S GARUD-V2 INDIGENOUS HOWITZER GUN SUCCESSFUL AT LONG PROOF RANGE
THURSDAY, OCTOBER 01, 2020 BY INDIAN DEFENCE NEWS





Development level firing trials of indigenously developed 155 mm x 39 calibre Garud-V2 Ultra Light Howitzer gun evoked good results at Long Proof Range (LPR) Khamaria in Jabalpur. The gun is being developed by Bharat Forge, Pune, in technical collaboration with Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). The country had procured M777 Ultra Light Howitzer guns from the United States and indigenous production of equivalent guns in India will prove a milestone to augment its strategic strength in cost efficient manner. According to experts, it is the first time when any advanced gun has been indigenously developed in the country and its prototype has been fielded for test firing in Jabalpur.


Trial run of Kalyani Group's Bharat-52 152 X 55mm (foreground) & GARUD-V2 154X39mm guns

The Ultra Light Howitzer gun has been designed and developed with rigorous research with the help of DRDO. LPR Khamaria, Commandant, Brigadier, Nishchay Raut, while talking to ‘The Hitavada’, informed that development test firing for prototype of 155 mm x 39 calibre gun was started two days back at LPG Khamaria. Total 24 rounds firing 12 rounds in a day was conducted from the prototype gun. Initially, development level firing from prototype gun was up to the mark.

Team of technical experts will review findings of test firing for further improvements to make it ready for further trials. Brigadier Raut informed that since LPR Khamaria got approval for testing of long barrel guns, it is the third biggest gun which is being fielded at LPR Khamaria after successful proof trials of indigenously developed Sharang and Dhanush gun systems.


 

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India moves terrain-hugging Nirbhay missiles with 1,000-km range to defend LAC
The Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile will be inducted into the army and navy after the seventh trial next month

INDIA Updated: Oct 01, 2020 06:36 IST
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Nirbhay long-range, sub-sonic cruise missile roars off the launch pad for its successful test in 2019
Nirbhay long-range, sub-sonic cruise missile roars off the launch pad for its successful test in 2019

India will formally induct the Nirbhay subsonic cruise missile into the Indian Army and Navy after the seventh trial scheduled next month but has already moved a limited number of the missiles to the Line of Actual Control where Indian soldiers are locked in a tense standoff with China’s PLA.

The 1,000 km range solid rocket booster missile has a single shot kill ratio of more than 90 per cent. It has been developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), people familiar with the development told Hindustan Times hours after India test-fired an extended-range BrahMos surface-to-surface supersonic cruise missile that can hit targets 400 km away.
The Defence Acquisition Council headed by defence minister Rajnath Singh has cleared the formal induction of the Nirbhay subsonic missile. The military, however, did not wait for the formality to deploy the new missile and has already moved some of them to defend the LAC against China.
The missile, which travels at a speed of 0.7 Mach, has both terrain-hugging and sea-skimming capability that helps it avoid detection and counter-measures.

At the LAC, the PLA’s western theatre command has deployed stand-off weapons up to 2,000 km range and long-range surface-to-air missiles in Tibet and Xinjiang after the Ladakh stand-off started in May this year. The Chinese deployment is not limited to occupied Aksai Chin but is located in depth positions from Kashgar, Hotan, Lhasa and Nyingchi along the 3,488 km Line of Actual Control (LAC).
Officials said Wednesday’s testing of the 400-km range BrahMos missiles with an indigenous airframe and booster is significant since it clears the decks for India to have the next class of supersonic long-range tactical cruise missile. The Brahmos has a liquid-fuelled booster capable of ranges over 500 km.
These new-age weapons will be based on solid-fuelled ducted ramjet (SFDR) technology that can be used for air-to-air missiles as well as long-range supersonic cruise missiles. The technology has been tested by the DRDO twice - on 30 May 2018, and 8 February 2019.

“The new class of cruise missile will have a solid rocket booster along with supersonic speed using SFDR technology. The range of missiles can be decided on the basis of mission objectives,” said an Indian missile expert.
It is understood that the new class of cruise missiles (yet to be named) will have a better circular error of probability than the BrahMos with a heavy conventional warhead to target airbases and ships of the adversary.

 

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Indian media is very confusing
Akash range is 25 km,30km,35 km and now they says 40km
 

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Indian media is very confusing
Akash range is 25 km,30km,35 km and now they says 40km

usually, we under report our capabilities.

I have long said that actual range of brahmos and agni 5 is far greater then whats reported.

you can never design a missile that can travel exactly 290KM, just 10 km short of 300km bench mark.
now they are giving a twist saying some imaginary indigenous booster has been added because of which the brahmos missile range is 400km plus:pound::pound::pound::pound:
 

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usually, we underreport our capabilities.

i have long said that actual range of brahmos and agni 5 is far greater.

you can never design a missile that can travel exactly 290KM, just 10 km short of 300km bench mark.
now they are giving a twist saying some imaginary indigenous booster has been added because of which the brahmos missile range is 400km plus:pound::pound::pound::pound:
Ya but our media is clue less
Akash range is around 30 km ....and with new desi seeker it's may be slightly improved
Same with nirbhay..... sometimes they say it's range is 700km some time 800km and sometimes 1000km
 

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Ya but our media is clue less
Akash range is around 30 km ....and with new desi seeker it's may be slightly improved
Same with nirbhay..... sometimes they say it's range is 700km some time 800km and sometimes 1000km
Nobody shows their true color.. old proverb
 

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Ya but our media is clue less
Akash range is around 30 km ....and with new desi seeker it's may be slightly improved
Same with nirbhay..... sometimes they say it's range is 700km some time 800km and sometimes 1000km
Nobody shows their true color.. old proverb
actually, the nirbhay missile should be renamed to revenant missile. because last we all heard, the project was shelfed. and 3 days ago, there are reports that the missile were in active duty :scared1:

even prahaar is a 150km range missile. but it is a quasi ballistic missile. I believe the range is way higher. because any missile that is ballistic needs to have more range. comparatively, the dumb pinaka rockets have 40km range which is 1/4 of prahaar ballistic missile range:pound:

I guess we will never know until actual war breaks out.
 

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Trump is definitely better to counter China but, it is essential to remember one thing — The pro-China voices in the US aren’t dependent on the political dispensation because they are vastly potent on their own. This makes the US not so dependable in our fight against China.
 

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Well, they are mistaken this time. GOI for a change even have protested for elections being held in GB .. saying this is illegal... IMO it's about time now... nothing else....they are well prepared under the shadow of Chinese aggression...
GB being declared the 5th province of pakistan should a casus belli for India.

Govt needs to take matters seriously and give an ultimatum to pakistan. Any moves to declare GB as a pakistani province will be met with immediate declaration of war and overwhelming response.

Therefore pakistan must be ready o bear the consequences of its foolishness.

India needs to set this as a red line so that our position can be very clear on the world stage.
 

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GB being declared the 5th province of pakistan should a casus belli for India.

Govt needs to take matters seriously and give an ultimatum to pakistan. Any moves to declare GB as a pakistani province will be met with immediate declaration of war and overwhelming response.

Therefore pakistan must be ready o bear the consequences of its foolishness.

India needs to set this as a red line so that our position can be very clear on the world stage.
And while we are at it, we should also ask Pakistan to revoke the illegal transfer of Shaksgam valley to China. China also needs to be formally informed that Shaksgam valley does not belong to them
 

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GB being declared the 5th province of pakistan should a casus belli for India.

Govt needs to take matters seriously and give an ultimatum to pakistan. Any moves to declare GB as a pakistani province will be met with immediate declaration of war and overwhelming response.

Therefore pakistan must be ready o bear the consequences of its foolishness.

India needs to set this as a red line so that our position can be very clear on the world stage.
There will be spicy jhumlas uttered over this but no actual action like a war for retaking PoK will take place if that's what you mean.

They can make it 5th province or start calling it Kashmir for all i care, everything in that country is a jhol.
Since Independence that region is being filled with Pathans and Punjabis to get rid of the 3 native Shia tribes that live on those mountainous areas, so it doesn't really matter.

In the end this declaring GB as a province is a BeFFiTiNG rEpLY to 370 Gaya in the minds of Abduls from Rawalpindi, they will still continue to do randi rona with keywords like plebiscite, UN resolution, disputed area, mudi hitler etc etc.

The next step building on surgical strike, balakot bombings, 370 gaya will be to retake GB-PoK by surprise, pakis are very weak now, we cannot let this opportunity go.
 

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And while we are at it, we should also ask Pakistan to revoke the illegal transfer of Shaksgam valley to China. China also needs to be formally informed that Shaksgam valley does not belong to them
In continuation of this discussion of the status of Gb and what Pakistan might do - the Cat seems to be out of Bag. Pakistan May not be able to do it. GB remaining disputed suits India under all circumstances. Here is a news report.

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mran Khan faces pushback over Gilgit-Baltistan move. China ties his hands | Analysis
Pakistan has traditionally claimed that parts of Kashmir it controls are semi-autonomous and not formally integrated into the country in line with its demand for a referendum.

WORLD Updated: Sep 30, 2020 23:26 IST

Prime Minister Imran Khan’s move to convert Gilgit-Baltistan (GB) in the occupied northern areas into Pakistan’s fifth province at China’s behest has provoked a pushback within the country. This week, Imran Khan’s fierce rival Maulana Fazlur Rehman joined the ranks of opposition leaders who have spoken out against Imran Khan for implementing Beijing’s agenda.
The Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (F) chief underlined that turning the Gilgit-Baltistan area into a full-fledged province would end up validating India’s August 5 decision to treat Jammu and Kashmir as a centrally-administered territory.

“A deal has been made over the blood of Kashmiris... Business is being done in the name of Kashmir diplomacy,” the firebrand cleric told reporters on Tuesday in Athmuqam. He pledged “not to allow the partition of Kashmir”.

Nearly 70 km away, Latif Akbar, president of the PoK unit of Pakistan Peoples Party told reporters in the Pakistan-occupied Kashmir capital Muzaffarabad that the federal government’s move to treat Gilgit-Baltistan as a province was not acceptable to them.

Pakistan has traditionally claimed that parts of Kashmir it controls are semi-autonomous and not formally integrated into the country in line with its position that a referendum should be carried out across the whole region.
Gilgit-Baltistan’s assimilation into the Islamic state is widely considered as an implicit recognition from Islamabad’s perspective that the Line of Control (LoC) is the border between India and Pakistan, a proposal that had been floated by Pakistan’s National Security Adviser Moeed W Yusuf a decade earlier.

The Imran Khan government has, however, made it clear that it has no intention to go back on its plan for GB and has proposed as the first step, to hold an election for the legislative assembly of Gilgit-Baltistan on November 15.

Pakistan watchers in India link Imran Khan and Army chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa’s anxiety to ramrod through the change in GB’s status to mounting pressure from China to secure the China Pakistan Economic Corridor that Beijing wants to expand under Xi Jinping’s Belt and Road Initiative, or BRI.


It is a plan that has been in the making for four years, long before Imran Khan came to power on the back of populist assurances to root out corruption and reduce poverty.

Indeed, it was after Xi Jinping’s visit to Pakistan in 2016 that the first reports of a plan to upgrade the constitutional status of the Gilgit-Baltistan region emerged. A report by news agency AFP in January 2016 quoted an official: “China cannot afford to invest billions of dollars on a road that passes through a disputed territory claimed both by India and Pakistan.”

This statement made four years ago, a Pakistan watcher in New Delhi said, explains the Imran Khan government’s push to change GB’s status in 2020. And there is nothing that Khan can do about it. “He doesn’t have a choice and has to go along with Beijing”, he said.


The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor - like much of the Belt and Roads Initiative conceived by Xi Jinping - is essentially designed to serve China’s interests rather than the participating countries. This explains the focus on development of Gwadar port, often described as the crown jewel of CPEC that has proven to be a tax haven for China and helped cut costs of its exports.

Former Pentagon official Dr Michael Rubin recently described the pact with China on CPEC as a devil’s bargain, partnering with a country that has been responsible for the incarceration in concentration camps of one million Muslims and thinks nothing about killing Pakistanis and humiliating Pakistan.

For China, Pakistan can be a major market, provide land links into West Asia, and build a strategic port at Gwadar that would help Beijing reduce its dependence on the Malacca Strait, he said.


The money that Beijing has poured into Pakistan’s CPEC leg has already gagged the Islamic country from commenting on the brutalisation of muslims in Xinjiang province. Beijing does also use Islamabad to keep India engaged with its terror camps.


 
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