India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Lancer]

Only a skirmish around Doklam is worth anything. It is the only weak point we have. A war in the tri-junction will spill over to Bhutan and overflow into the Chicken's Neck aka the Jalpaiguri corridor.
Once that happens, there is a huge risk of India getting cut off from North East India. Bangladesh will get involved whether they want it or not.
So besides all the usual hotspots, we need to be protecting Doklam tri-junction viciously.

Would it really be the end of the world though? We could still move across Bangladesh (land & air) or by Sea from the Eastern Coast - if the goal is to move men and material.

And I'm guessing for an area like the Chicken's Neck - India must have already stocked up military positions so they can fight for "X" amount of time in isolation even if they're temporarily cut from the mainland.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars The search phrase 'PLA plays Tunak Tunak Tun to the Indian Army' is the 2nd top trend on Baidu right now.

 

[scatterStorm]

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Great article, it was a delight. Mjr. knows that war aren't fought aimlessly, which China is currently ingulfing in.

I've been saying that IAF and Army needs to work in synergy. This has been well demonstrated by IAF doing these ops:

1. Logistics via transport and utility helis.
2. Every day sortie for target mapping and terrain mapping.
3. Electronic attack radar gaps measures.
4. Med-vac heli seen during these ops.

I am seeing a modern rise, a steady one.

Now, what is remaining is IAF putting our ATAGS at Pangong Tso F4 and south bank of Pangong Tso. And IAF fighter squadrons being ready any moment too not allow rocket arty to scoot. I hope we also use Apache's along with our mechanized columns.

The absolute gem of this article, which I also rightly and many folks pointed out on the forum,

Winter has begun, lets get our gray zones.

 

[shade]

This is extremely serious provocation. China has perhaps (wrongly) calculated that the US is not going to do anything. Taiwan should now cross the mid line themselves. Being in the mode of "China will get upset" does not work. China gets upset when other countries dont roll over. So the choice is not whether to upset China or not but whether to roll over or not.

They won't do anything, too preoccupied with Trump vs sleepy Joe.
"China will get upset" works every time.

Like this for example.
No plan to exclude Huawei, ZTE from 5G infra contracts: Sanjay Dhotre

In a new twist to the saga over whether Chinese companies Huawei Technologies and ZTE can supply telecom gear, Minister of State for Electronics and Information Technology Sanjay Dhotre said the government had no plan to exclude them from 5G network infrastructure contracts.

Dhotre was giving a written reply to MPs’ queries in Parliament on Wednesday.


The announcement quells fears among some telcos that Chinese players might be banned from participating in 5G trials and roll outs. The Department of Telecommunications (DoT), while deposing before the IT parliamentary committee, had said a final decision on their fate would be taken by the Home Ministry. As a result, leading Indian telcos, taking their cue from the DoT, put in additional applications for collaboration with OEMs in cities where they had already given applications based on tie-ups either with Huawei or ZTE for 5G trials.

There is no shortage of pro Chinese shills spreading the dhoti shivering virus of the exaggerated consequences of CHiNa GeTTiNg UpSet in any country in this world, even our country which faces land grab attempts every time.

 

[etantra]

just to give a break.. a compilation of funny Military gaffes... thanksfully none from IA.. a few looks like PLA


saw this in response to this one


Show the importance of regular training.. more likely to happen with conscripts

 

[bajiraopeshwa]

Would it really be the end of the world though? We could still move across Bangladesh (land & air) or by Sea from the Eastern Coast - if the goal is to move men and material.

And I'm guessing for an area like the Chicken's Neck - India must have already stocked up military positions so they can fight for "X" amount of time in isolation even if they're temporarily cut from the mainland.

There was a proposal to have a tunneled road below chicken neck, dont know what happened to that.
Most IA generals have been of the view that China could perhaps ingress into Assam or Arunachal but egress would be impossible.

 

[Lancer]

There was a proposal to have a tunneled road below chicken neck, dont know what happened to that.
Most IA generals have been of the view that China could perhaps ingress into Assam or Arunachal but egress would be impossible.

Should definitely invest in that if it's geographically viable.

 

[Cheran]

They won't do anything, too preoccupied with Trump vs sleepy Joe.
"China will get upset" works every time.

Like this for example.
No plan to exclude Huawei, ZTE from 5G infra contracts: Sanjay Dhotre



There is no shortage of pro Chinese shills spreading the dhoti shivering virus of the exaggerated consequences of CHiNa GeTTiNg UpSet in any country in this world, even our country which faces land grab attempts every time.

Can we read this Huawei/ZTE in another way ?

We are not going to have a policy document printed on the bulletin board in the IT ministry that says "XYZ is barred". We will just set up the spces in the RFP in such a way that the chees never win.

 

[Knowitall]

They won't do anything, too preoccupied with Trump vs sleepy Joe.
"China will get upset" works every time.

Like this for example.
No plan to exclude Huawei, ZTE from 5G infra contracts: Sanjay Dhotre



There is no shortage of pro Chinese shills spreading the dhoti shivering virus of the exaggerated consequences of CHiNa GeTTiNg UpSet in any country in this world, even our country which faces land grab attempts every time.

didn't a recent report so that 53% of BSNL equipment is chinese

 

[bajiraopeshwa]

They won't do anything, too preoccupied with Trump vs sleepy Joe.
"China will get upset" works every time.

Like this for example.
No plan to exclude Huawei, ZTE from 5G infra contracts: Sanjay Dhotre



There is no shortage of pro Chinese shills spreading the dhoti shivering virus of the exaggerated consequences of CHiNa GeTTiNg UpSet in any country in this world, even our country which faces land grab attempts every time.

The Indian government will not publicly state that they will exclude Huawei,ZTE but I believe privately all the telco players have been told to avoid Chinese telcos. This will be somewhat similar to no IPL team bidding for Pakistan players. There is no rule against that but it does not happen nevertheless

Allowing Huawei is the equivalent of having a Chinese general in the room where our war plans are being made. Huawei's habit of inserting backdoors in router code is public knowledge.

 

[another_armchair]

So chineese spy and Indian Mole s are trying their best. ........
Better to be unemployed than getting money by compromising nation s security......
We are almost in war..........
Hope Indian undercover s are doing great work in bejjing....

You cannot go hungry in India provided one is willing to work.
Enough freeloaders, joint family system, in perpetual wait for 'Gobermint jaab' particularly Bank PO itiyadi.
Aam Aadmi knows where the greenbacks are.

 

[samsaptaka]

Very long but a good read. Provides some historical background on Indo-China

Han and Hindu Nationalism Come Face to Face

If geography is destiny, then China and India seem fated to clash.

www.fairobserver.com

“India is the child of the British Empire that seeks to preserve the status quo. It no longer identifies with the Mughal Empire, Britain’s predecessor.”
Stopped reading right there.

 

[samsaptaka]

Taiwan president has greeted Modi on his birthday. Modi SHOULD thank her in return. Frack chinese sensibilities. Also Indian Amb. back in Delhi for Consultations.

And wtf

No plan to exclude Huawei, ZTE from 5G infra contracts: Sanjay Dhotre

The announcement quells fears among some telcos that Chinese players might be banned from participating in 5G trials and roll outs

www.business-standard.com

Yet another failure of Home ministry and so called chanakya !

 

[samsaptaka]

China study group has met today in Delhi.

Ominous news. Why the fk is this cowardly group of theorists still holding importance with GOI ? Am sure their suggestion will be to give up the hard earned peaks. Disband this bunch of motley cowards already !

 

[another_armchair]

Ominous news. Why the fk is this cowardly group of theorists still holding importance with GOI ? Am sure their suggestion will be to give up the hard earned peaks. Disband this bunch of motley cowards already !

Time to launch a nationalist party named CPKMKB and create enough noise to put the fear of vote division among primary votebank..

 

[ezsasa]

Great article, it was a delight. Mjr. knows that war aren't fought aimlessly, which China is currently ingulfing in.
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I've been saying that IAF and Army needs to work in synergy. This has been well demonstrated by IAF doing these ops:

1. Logistics via transport and utility helis.
2. Every day sortie for target mapping and terrain mapping.
3. Electronic attack radar gaps measures.
4. Med-vac heli seen during these ops.

I am seeing a modern rise, a steady one.

Now, what is remaining is IAF putting our ATAGS at Pangong Tso F4 and south bank of Pangong Tso. And IAF fighter squadrons being ready any moment too not allow rocket arty to scoot. I hope we also use Apache's along with our mechanized columns.

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The absolute gem of this article, which I also rightly and many folks pointed out on the forum,
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Winter has begun, lets get our gray zones.


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There must be an expert debate on whether PLA can acquire high altitude mountain warfare skills three or more years from now, ultimately mountain warfare is a skillset, you try enough number of times you are bound to get it right eventually.
I say three years because that seems to be their cycle, 2014 2017 2020.

 

[avknight1408]

Friends just refreshing your memory. Last year a Chinese spy was arrested by Delhi police and died days later in Tihar jail. He was arrested in delhi cantonment. After retirement from army he moved overseas. A very murky case which has been totally forgotten.
Indian express article below.
Ex-Army officer’s death in Tihar: Police say China link, Rs 65-crore FD

 

[another_armchair]

There must be an expert debate on whether PLA can acquire mountain warfare skills three or more years from now, ultimately mountain warfare is a skillset, you try enough number of times you are bound to get it right eventually.
I say three years because that seems to be their cycle, 2014 2017 2020.

Good part of China is hilly terrain but given they are an Army of conscripts with temp roles, 3-4 years would be difficult unless they get a sizeable number of recruits from their munna's in Nepal and Pakistan.

 

[ezsasa]

Ominous news. Why the fk is this cowardly group of theorists still holding importance with GOI ? Am sure their suggestion will be to give up the hard earned peaks. Disband this bunch of motley cowards already !

What's with the condescension?
They have their roles and responsibilities, they provide advice based on the inputs they receive.
You can't be angry at things, you have very little information about.

 

[Bharatiye]

What's with the condescension?
They have their roles and responsibilities, they provide advice based on the inputs they receive.
You can't be angry at things, you have very little information about.

Yeah, no. I don't buy that. CSG has been consistent in their view of biding your time, keeping your head down and not angering daddy China, even when the threat is literally on the border.

China Study Group draws up plan for long haul ahead - Times of India

The sixth round of top-level military talks between India and China in eastern Ladakh is now likely to take place within the next few days, even as the fast-approaching winter has begun to exact a toll among rival soldiers deployed in the high-altitude region. The agenda for the military talks...

m.timesofindia.com