India-China 2020 Border conflict

[mist_consecutive]

He says these might still be occupied

???

Please don’t post from unverified twitter handles. There is 0 credibility of such random handles.

The images the twitter handle posted “claiming” them to be still occupied are from January, taken from Google Earth.

Its just completely ridiculous how every defense fanboy just jumps on Google Maps and think they are now satellite image experts, rushing to declare their expert analysis on twitter.

 

[DownWithCCP]

Please don’t post from unverified twitter handles. There is 0 credibility of such random handles.

The images the twitter handle posted “claiming” them to be still occupied are from January, taken from Google Earth.

Its just completely ridiculous how every defense fanboy just jumps on Google Maps and think they are now satellite image experts, rushing to declare their expert analysis on twitter.

There's only so much you can do with OSINT/Satellite images, stretching things too far might result in fantasies, a general's analysis is always better because in addition to OSINT he has experience + insider information (more than your twitter OSINT expert), which makes his analysis more sound.

 

[Jimih]

 

[mokoman]

@mokoman @mist_consecutive or anyone is it possible to geo locate this place. Looks almost similar to the place where clashes happened last year. PLA soldiers entered buffer area to pay tribute ?? river aside so it is close to the confrontation area

i dont think official account ever explicitly said this was galwan valley.

this is my best guess.

red line is LAC , check the "triangle" land feature left of red line ,

the simple reason people died there is because according to them , that triangle lies on their side , they resorted to violence to get that triangle.

also note the 1959 claim line marker , this is where they said the border was back in 1959.

if location is correct then we chasd then over 1.5 km and killed them.

i got some other pics as well

if this is galwan , should be easy to identity from below pics

the writing says "Great rivers and mountains"

 

[Jimih]

Growing Spine

 

[Apollo]

This attitude says everything abt the Leadership, they not only disrespect the fallen soldiers also they least interested on pushing China to disengage. GOI is feeling convenient to leave it under carpet forever.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

India-China border dispute: Retd Chinese colonel proposes this to prevent clash
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The aftermath is still being felt today. Beijing was given the cold shoulder when it offered to help pandemic-devastated India. Such resentment speaks volumes of the frosty relationship, he pointed out.
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sooo..china got the message loud and clear..

...... “Perhaps the boldest step might be to establish buffer zones in the most dangerous areas along the LAC. Without prejudicing their respective positions on the boundary question, this is the most effective way to disengage and prevent conflict", he said.

India-China border dispute: Retd Chinese colonel proposes this to prevent clash

In the first deadly clash in the border area in nearly five decades, 20 Indian soldiers were killed on June 15, 2020

www.livemint.com

blah blah blah blha
china can never be trusted.

Let’s for a moment consider that they mean well. How many professional armies attack fellow soldiers with barbed wire infused sticks? Such lunatic and animal behavior is why we cannot trust the PLA. Such behavior is deep rooted in the ethnic Han population. Given that the CCP does not value human life at all [these are criminals who ran tanks on their own citizens and killed millions in the name of agricultural revolution], no buffer zone will prevent these barbarians from doing nasty things. Heavy duty retaliation in all areas - military and non-military - that inflicts significant, undeniable damages to the CCP are the only way. Of course if they didn’t have nukes, dropping gallons of napalm would have also done the job. But the world has become too civilized now. Lol.

 

[scatterStorm]

Just a typical communist propaganda .
Iaf and anti aircraft battery would love to see Chinese bomber near lac.
It would be easily shoot down .
Bombers are used when enemy air force and anti aircraft assets are totally neutralized. Otherwise they are prone to be get shoot down.
Pla air force will never achieve air dominance near LAC. So their is no point in using bombers

I know that, that's not an issue, however I am thinking a bit differently here.

These bombers fly at very high altitudes. They won't have to cross our Air Identifiable Zones. They will be escorted no doubt.

An attack on our HQs is dead simple, They fly from Hotan, gain Altitude and release Long Range Cruise Missiles, capable of covering 1000 Km easily, not even crossing our borders.


The question is, if we cannot fire a LRSAM (S400 or our own LRSAM in dev) Then this could become costly. My question to forum members (senior ones) is that can we create our own iron dome with QR Sam's only. I know iron dome isn't feasible as our engagement zones are larger but we can create a QR Sam based Iron dome systems to at least intercept a non saturation attack.

 

[fire starter]

6 lol salaam pigs killed.

 

[Deadtrap]

PLA training in Shiquanhe, TAR. 60km from Demchok.

1. Overview

2. Dug Pits with vehicle tracks.

3. Camouflaged Vehicles and trenches.

4. Defensive trenches on slop of the mountain.
Looks like freshly rotated troops are being put to work. Emulating frontline defences at various friction points in Ladakh.

6. Processed optical sat pic from Planet Labs.

 

[scatterStorm]

PLA training in Shiquanhe, TAR. 60km from Demchok.

1. Overview

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2. Dug Pits with vehicle tracks.

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3. Camouflaged Vehicles and trenches.

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4. Defensive trenches on slop of the mountain.
Looks like freshly rotated troops are being put to work. Emulating frontline defences at various friction points in Ladakh.

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6. Processed optical sat pic from Planet Labs.

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Great info, please add these at our OSINT thread.

 

[scatterStorm]

A/q to Baba PSG....no war before 2026.

2027 is the Taiwan invasion plan already under tables for CCP. Its well documented.

 

[scatterStorm]

THE LATEST & GREATEST FROM THE CCP.

I have to say though, they are right on this last supper table (G7), some things are true though, except they painted us poor chaps.

The CCP forgot our national animal is the Royal Bengal Tiger.

 

[Marliii]

2027 is the Taiwan invasion plan already under tables for CCP. Its well documented.

They aren't gonna do anything.when 2027 arrives they will move it to 2049 when its 100 years of PRC.Taiwan is gonna fight and kill a lot of chinese if they do something like that

 

[scatterStorm]

A good debate on this Taiwan Invasion Plan:

 

[Edinburgh]

This picture was painted by a recently popular CG artist in China，Wuhe Qilin,

He posts his work on the Chinese social media site Weibo，His account has 2.8 million followers.
It mainly satirizes current affairs And Environmental Protection Issues.
satirizes Australia's killing of civilians in Afghanistan.

There is also a CG drawing on World Ocean Day, attacking whale and shark hunting.

 

[Ayushraj]

I know that, that's not an issue, however I am thinking a bit differently here.

These bombers fly at very high altitudes. They won't have to cross our Air Identifiable Zones. They will be escorted no doubt.

An attack on our HQs is dead simple, They fly from Hotan, gain Altitude and release Long Range Cruise Missiles, capable of covering 1000 Km easily, not even crossing our borders.


The question is, if we cannot fire a LRSAM (S400 or our own LRSAM in dev) Then this could become costly. My question to forum members (senior ones) is that can we create our own iron dome with QR Sam's only. I know iron dome isn't feasible as our engagement zones are larger but we can create a QR Sam based Iron dome systems to at least intercept a non saturation attack.

2018 NATO targeted air base of syria by firing 105 air to surface cruise missile.
Syria air defence system intercepted 65 of these.
Damage
Chinese missile are of low quality as of nato and Indian air defence system is also stronger than Syria.
So during war cruise missile interception would be much higher
That's why iaf is building hardened shelter for its aircraft.
In war it does not matter that bomber or any other jets fires cruise missile in Chinese air space or Indian air space
It would be intercepted by our air force .
Iron dome (c dome) is meant for small warhead like artillery shells, rockets, uav, etc.
Even Israel also use barak 8 and david sling fro cruise missile defence
India would be defending its border by MRSAM , Akash, s400 by these cruise missile attack

 

[scatterStorm]

They aren't gonna do anything.when 2027 arrives they will move it to 2049 when its 100 years of PRC.Taiwan is gonna fight and kill a lot of chinese if they do something like that

I disagree, the flashpoint isn't Taiwan alone. A flashpoint could be us as well. Creating a false conflict between India & Pak (By external agents and forces) Could be USA or Russia or anybody who don't want to see us progress. This is possible.

 

[scatterStorm]

These recent incursion to ours, no progress on core commander meetings, and the latest incursion to Taiwan AIZ. One thing is clear,

They are painting a picture that US is not the superpower anymore. There are two big sticks now in the world.

They are certainly playing mind games, signaling the world that see we do not want to wage war here, but certainly you can't do shit, beat it. Signaling allies to NATO and G7 that USA is not the power anymore.

 

[scatterStorm]

2018 NATO targeted air base of syria by firing 105 air to surface cruise missile.
Syria air defence system intercepted 65 of these.
Damage
Chinese missile are of low quality as of nato and Indian air defence system is also stronger than Syria.
So during war cruise missile interception would be much higher
That's why iaf is building hardened shelter for its aircraft.
In war it does not matter that bomber or any other jets fires cruise missile in Chinese air space or Indian air space
It would be intercepted by our air force .
Iron dome (c dome) is meant for small warhead like artillery shells, rockets, uav, etc.
Even Israel also use barak 8 and david sling fro cruise missile defence
India would be defending its border by MRSAM , Akash, s400 by these cruise missile attack

Let me ask you this, would you be neutralizing a few hundred thousand dollar missile to a million dollar one. Certainly we cannot afford firing a s400 LR SAM for a cruise missile. The economics would very costly. Yes, LRSAM, MRSAM, Akash and few others whom I don't know in development would be required.