India-China 2020 Border conflict

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PLA SAM (Surface to missile) air defence, site near manasarovar.

:dude: they been building this shit for over half a year , looks like they finally started placing missiles (looks like missiles)

what a finished site looks like, from google ,


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what PLA SAM site looks like,in april 17
I was there in 2018 and the amount of construction in that area is mind blowing and painful to watch as they destruct the beautiful environment with their hideous lack of creativity and utilitarian and callous thinking.....while on our side one can't even get to Kedarnath easily, went there in 2019 and the construction is so hideous and lack of planning is just painful to imagine. Any updates on the road work?
 

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Babus in the MOD are the bane for India.
It has been instances in the past that Secretary of Agriculture and Labour Ministry was heading MOD.

If you gave them photos of Rafale and Tejas they will not able to identify which is which.

This is the level of MOD in India and Cheenis know this. :)
No surprise here, trying to equalize without qualifications yield only one type of result....this is a disease that has spread to west now and results will be exciting to watch if not already....equalize the platform to get into a position aka schools and education system not the entry into responsible positions or professional institutions and colleges. Even politicians need to demonstrate basic knowledge in my opinion on few things in order to run for an office even at local level.
 

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They called Americans as drunken and delusional when US talked about UFO sightings.

When they are themselves seeing UFOs and making a UFO task force, they are trying to present themselves as futuristic, scientific and forward thinking nation.

Chinese double standards at work!!!
Looks more like they are trying to deflect attention of American public from all major issues. Just look at CNN YouTube channel, no coverage of Fauci emails, Wuhan lab leak, Joe Biden falling 3 times :pound: and compare this to their scavenger like coverage during Trump. Now to do an about face, they have to create some face savers and what better than an inconclusive report that says nothing specific on "Aliens". Had this been the case, wouldn't have other countries reported in all these years? Somehow all aliens visiting only USA and no satellite of other countries capturing anything? Lol
And China as usual is covering Biden's latest Pony show on Aliens by supporting such "reports"...
 

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Red China’s pandemic crime will wreck Xi’s ambitions - The Sunday Guardian Live

The decision to fix responsibility for Covid was taken soon after a two-hour conversation between Biden and Jinping, with the latter conceding nothing except a willingness to cooperate on climate change. And like the “thug” Biden called Xi informally, Jinping warned of a “disaster for both” if penalised for Covid.
China may well be running scared under the bluster. It is already reeling under massive internal and external debt, large scale unemployment, food shortages, simmering domestic discontent. Its GDP and exports are sharply down.


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Course correcting a little lately, Xi has asked his diplomats to become “lovable” and reach out to the international media. :rofl:

chinese diplomats are clowns..and everyone LOVES clowns

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China will have to pay for accidentally or deliberately leaking the virus. And then spreading it via at least 400,000 infected or carrier Chinese travelling from Wuhan, not to Beijing or Yunnan, but to the US, Europe, and other parts of the world, for over 90 days. Three months of spreading the virus before China announced the existence of Covid-19.

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Besides, this pandemic as bio-warfare was planned by the Chinese military two years ago. This is documented.
While up-to-date figures are still being compiled, the US economy contracted 3.5% in 2020, something not seen since 1946. The US budget deficit at nearly $3.5 trillion was at 16% of GDP. To bounce back, huge stimulus packages are being processed as part of an unprecedented $6 trillion annual budget by the Biden administration.

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To check any military adventurism, coalitions of battle-hardened military checks by multiple countries will indeed be active in the Indian Ocean and the Indo-Pacific. There will be an unprecedented policing of all the possible flash points in the land and seas of the region, and heightened alerts elsewhere. China’s belt and road, silk route, and string of pearls initiatives will be constrained using diplomatic pressure on its junior partners. Those who supply China with raw materials, petroleum and even access, will be asked to stop if necessary. The Straits of Malacca, a main conduit for Chinese supplies to its Pacific ports will be watched and monitored. Along with Hambantota, Gwadar, Chabahar, Djibouti, and elsewhere where China has bases or access.

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There has been a grave miscalculation on Xi Jinping’s part. It is the failure of megalomaniacs throughout history who underestimate their adversaries. This hubris will, instead destroy the hold of Xi Jinping and the CCP over the hopefully titled Middle Kingdom.


F**k China
 

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Guys! what is happening here?

Is China recieving a "divine justice"?
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Drones, 100s of people & vehicles sent to block UNSTOPPABLE herd of 15 elephants trampling Chinese towns & farmlands


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They made fun of India few months back.

Looks like 'Nature God' is taking badla for us.
 
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Was looking thru weibo OSINT/mil accounts

CCP Political commisar , same guy who claimed PLA microwave attack now saying Taiwan and India have started some secret military alliance. involving sharing intel . He claims Taiwan sent analysts to india to help against China.

Apparently there was similar project in 1970's too.

LOL . hope its true.


I was there in 2018 and the amount of construction in that area is mind blowing and painful to watch as they destruct the beautiful environment with their hideous lack of creativity and utilitarian and callous thinking.....while on our side one can't even get to Kedarnath easily, went there in 2019 and the construction is so hideous and lack of planning is just painful to imagine. Any updates on the road work?
Dont know , border areas need to be developed , even if that means it will eye sore to tourists.

cant leave border people living in dark ages.
 

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Babus in the MOD are the bane for India.
It has been instances in the past that Secretary of Agriculture and Labour Ministry was heading MOD.

If you gave them photos of Rafale and Tejas they will not able to identify which is which.

This is the level of MOD in India and Cheenis know this. :)
Too easy and far too convenient for all of us, blaming "babus". Secretary in the government department is as it is always, held by an IAS offcer with the required seniority. We misunderstand their purpose of the "babus", they are the civilian control over the department. Secretary is a rotatable post and all government departments have the same control. The secretary of agriculture can be the secretary of telecommunications or coal or power if posted there. Same with defence. Their function is not specific domain expertise of the particular field (though a certain amount of experience would have been garnered in different departments at a more junior level)but governmental expertise to run the department. In the MOD, they are the civilian control on behalf of the government of India. An army General will be all at sea in the actual functioning of the ministry if he has to do what the secretary is doing. The secretary has around 35 years of experience in the functioning of the government to get to that post, not easily replaceable by someone not trained in the domain. They are the enabling agents even if sometimes, it doesn't work that way.
 

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Too easy and far too convenient for all of us, blaming "babus". Secretary in the government department is as it is always, held by an IAS offcer with the required seniority. We misunderstand their purpose of the "babus", they are the civilian control over the department. Secretary is a rotatable post and all government departments have the same control. The secretary of agriculture can be the secretary of telecommunications or coal or power if posted there. Same with defence. Their function is not specific domain expertise of the particular field (though a certain amount of experience would have been garnered in different departments at a more junior level)but governmental expertise to run the department. In the MOD, they are the civilian control on behalf of the government of India. An army General will be all at sea in the actual functioning of the ministry if he has to do what the secretary is doing. The secretary has around 35 years of experience in the functioning of the government to get to that post, not easily replaceable by someone not trained in the domain. They are the enabling agents even if sometimes, it doesn't work that way.
These were my not my thoughts originally. ( but I do support it)

I was just echoing the statements of retired Millitary Officers.

Domain expertise is always required for specific domains. All 1st world countries work this way.

Iam not against civilian control in the MOD, thats the way it works. Iam only talking about domain expertise must be required to run a particular department.

Why the post of CDS was withheld for such a long time? Why no Pentagon like administration exists in India when we are surrounded by two hostile Nuclear power forces? Why MOD and MOHA were not keeping up departmental communication leading upto LAC clashes? Why ITBP was not under IA operational control leading upto LAC clashes?

Why LAC has not been defined till now? Why Kailash heights were vacated while PLA still blocking IA in Depsang? Why MOD babus feed wrong info to Modi's ears when he uttered, "Koi nahi ghusa hai"?

Why not blame babus on their faults? are they holier than thou? Why people come running protecting Babus if someone pointout their shortcomings?
 
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These were my not my thoughts originally. ( but I do support it)

I was just echoing the statements of retired Millitary Officers.

Domain expertise is always required for specific domains. All 1st world countries work this way.

Iam not against civilian control in the MOD, thats the way it works. Iam only talking about domain expertise must be required to run a particular department.
That's not the system of government we have and while domain expertise is invaluable, running a department is a different form of expertise. More domain expertise is needed within DoD, with the CDS post, there is that change now


Why the post of CDS was withheld for such a long time ?
Inter service issues (also seen with theater commands) were as much a reason for the delay as bureaucratic reasons. Some political concerns too.

Why no Pentagon like administration exists in India when we are surrounded by two hostile Nuclear power forces?
Different systems of government. It's not that there are no problems there. Their theater commands operate differently, their appointments and sackings are routinely political doings. Our system limits that type of political interference.

Why MOD and MOHA were not keeping up departmental communication leading upto LAC clashes? Why ITBP was not under IA operational control leading upto LAC clashes?
The genesis of those issues are different and its not all about the bureaucracy .

How LAC has not been defined till now? Why Kailash heights were vacated while PLA still blocking IA in Depsang? Why MOD feed wrong info to Modi's ears when he uttered, "Koi nahi ghusa hai"?
The PM doesn't get told wrong information. He has different sources of inputs available.

LAC isn't defined because China doesn't want it. Period.
"Babus" don't decide by themselves to vacate this peak or the other. That's a call made either by the army or by the political leadership.

Why not blame babus on their faults? are they holier than thou? Why people come running protecting Babus if someone pointout their shortcomings?
Nobody is coming running to defend "babus", least of all, me.. However we risk missing wood for the trees if we don't have a more nuanced understanding of the situation.
 

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Dont know , border areas need to be developed , even if that means it will eye sore to tourists.

cant leave border people living in dark ages.
Ofcourse, my comments was to do with Chinese not having any sense to build something that is in harmony with nature....I have not seen a single modern construction in China that fits into the nature surrounding it....in contrast its a common thing in Japan where lot of things are in harmony even in the middle of cities....we are even worse than Chinese....army does a decent job with BRO and most things are to the code if they are involved but only part of the 4 laning in Uttarakhand is under BRO
 

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Nobody is coming running to defend "babus", least of all, me.. However we risk missing wood for the trees if we don't have a more nuanced understanding of the situation.
Duly noted. Thanks for the clarification.
 

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Looks like Xi will be the last emperor of the CCP dynasty.

Chinese will be up for another reshuffle.
 
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