India-China 2020 Border conflict

[Prakshepak]

What advantage we got by merging Bhutan with India ? Is Bhutan fully vaccinated ?

 

[mist_consecutive]

How possible is doing a sikkim with Bhutan?

Possible, but will be seen as bullying, and China will strongly veto against it. Unless Bhutanese people agree to merge with us via consensus, usurping a complete country is not possible in today's world of social media.

Unless like China attacks Bhutan and we pull a Kashmir on them, or Bhutan gets belligerent against us and we capture them militarily.

What advantage we got by merging Bhutan with India ? Is Bhutan fully vaccinated ?

You don't know ?

Spoiler: Hint

 

[mandestiny]

I mean to say we have problem already in kashmir & ladakh, can we hold Bhutan ?

 

[kaaleshwaar]

I mean to say we have problem already in kashmir & ladakh, can we hold Bhutan ?

Will give us favourable position in relation to China, Chickens Neck will be out of the question with the Dominating of the surrounding areas.

 

[sorcerer]

Minor face-off with Chinese troops in Galwan Valley
Vijaita Singh

3-4 minutes


There was a minor face-off between Indian and Chinese troops in the no-patrolling zone at Galwan Valley in Eastern Ladakh in the first week of May, a senior government official told The Hindu. However, no clash occurred and the two sides disengaged quickly.
A no-patrolling zone extending to around 3 kilometre, around 1.5 km each, on either side of the clash site near the Y-junction of the Galwan Valley, was created after the June 15, 2020 incident when 20 Indian army personnel were killed in violent clashes with the Chinese. A 30-day moratorium was also applied on foot-patrolling then. It was not known if it has been extended.

Minor face-off with Chinese troops in Galwan Valley

Army denies any face-off took place

www.thehindu.com

Source : The Hindu
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Indian Army Dismisses Media Report Claiming Minor Face-off With Chinese Troop in Galwan Valley

The Indian Army on Sunday dismissed a media report which claimed that a minor face-off between the Indian and Chinese troops took place this month in the no-patrolling zone at Eastern Ladakh’s Galwan Valley. The Army clarified that no such incident happened and the article published in media “seems to be inspired by sources who may be trying to derail the ongoing process for early resolution of issues in Eastern Ladakh".

Indian Army Dismisses Media Report Claiming Minor Face-off With Chinese Troop in Galwan Valley - News18

Amid strained relationship between India and China following a deadly clash in the Galwan valley in eastern Ladakh in June last year, both sides have completed the withdrawal of troops and weapons from Pangong lake’s North and South banks in February following a series of military and diplomatic...

www.news18.com

 

[mokoman]

Some pics of a PLA observation post in south spangur ( pangong tso)

thought it was interesting

the red net could be a something called 'Multi Spectral Camouflage Net'

makes structures underneath invisible to ir , ultraviolet , microwave.

not used as camo here , but bright red to mark it as their presence on sat images (see image below)

like dogs peeings to mark territory.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Some pics of a PLA observation post in south spangur ( pangong tso)

thought it was interesting



the red net could be a something called 'Multi Spectral Camouflage Net'

makes structures underneath invisible to ir , ultraviolet , microwave.

not used as camo here , but bright red to mark it as their presence on sat images (see image below)

like dogs peeings to mark territory.

Do we have anything equivalent to this? (multispectral camo net)

 

[mokoman]

Do we have anything equivalent to this? (multispectral camo net)

looks like there is couple of indian companies selling it on Indiamart.com

thinking of buying.


because i am wealthy

cause thats what wealthy people do

 

[Deadtrap]

not used as camo here , but bright red to mark it as their presence on sat images (see image below)

Yes Chinese might be using them as a marker but that’s not the real purpose.
A terrain colour specific Multispectral net can give good camouflage to naked eyes and even True Colour satellite image but when you mix match different bands of satellite image, those nets gives of different colour.
One example is this.
True Colour:

False Colour (Band 4-3-2 in R-G-B channel respectively) :

It becomes handy to quickly identify your and enemy positions during war time when it might be difficult to spot terrain matching camouflaged position.

 

[Jimih]

Do we have anything equivalent to this? (multispectral camo net)

MSCN project was to be taken up by the DRDO this year, don't know about its current status.

DRDO identifies 108 Systems and Subsystems for industry to design, develop and manufacture towards achieving “Atmanirbhar Bharat”

Responding to the clarion call given by Hon’ble Prime Minister for “Atmanirbhar Bharat”, the Defence

pib.gov.in

 

[mokoman]

Yes Chinese might be using them as a marker but that’s not the real purpose.
A terrain colour specific Multispectral net can give good camouflage to naked eyes and even True Colour satellite image but when you mix match different bands of satellite image, those nets gives of different colour.
One example is this.
True Colour:View attachment 91415

False Colour (Band 4-3-2 in R-G-B channel respectively) :
View attachment 91416

It becomes handy to quickly identify your and enemy positions during war time when it might be difficult to spot terrain matching camouflaged position.

It becomes handy to quickly identify your and enemy positions during war time when it might be difficult to spot terrain matching camouflaged position.

well its bright red on visible spectrum , i would say its very easy to see

Isnt Band 4-3-2 natural color ? not false color ?

 

[Deadtrap]

It becomes handy to quickly identify your and enemy positions during war time when it might be difficult to spot terrain matching camouflaged position.

well its bright red on visible spectrum , i would say its very easy to see

You skipped what I said above. Chinese are purposely using bright red. It’s comes in several colour. A terrain colour matching net won’t be easy to spot in true colour until seen in false colour.

Band 4-3-2 is natural color not false color.

LOL. Band 4 is Near Infrared. Science 101.
mixing it with Visible Band 3 and 2 (Blue and Green) gives of false colour.

 

[mokoman]

You skipped what I said above. Chinese are purposely using bright red. It’s comes in several colour. A terrain colour matching net won’t be easy to spot in true colour until seen in false colour.



LOL. Band 4 is Near Infrared. Science 101.
mixing it with Band 3 and 2 (Blue and Green) gives of false colour.

no dude , 5 is IR ,

LOL science 101.

see here

Image Bands

Band 1	Coastal aerosol	0.43 - 0.45​
Band 2	Blue	0.45 - 0.51​
Band 3	Green	0.53 - 0.59​
Band 4	Red	0.64 - 0.67​
Band 5	Near Infrared (NIR)	0.85 - 0.88​
Band 6	Shortwave Infrared (SWIR1)	1.57 - 1.65​
Band 7	Shortwave Infrared (SWIR2)	2.11 - 2.29​

natural color 4-3-2

see how it looks yellow in colored IR .

the net is reflecting both IR bands equally, to reduce heat from sunlight , R=100%,G=100% = yellow

plus it also acts as a marker
View attachment 91425

View attachment 91422

 

[Deadtrap]

no dude , 5 is IR ,

LOL science 101.

see here

Image Bands

Band 1	Coastal aerosol	0.43 - 0.45​
Band 2	Blue	0.45 - 0.51​
Band 3	Green	0.53 - 0.59​
Band 4	Red	0.64 - 0.67​
Band 5	Near Infrared (NIR)	0.85 - 0.88​
Band 6	Shortwave Infrared (SWIR1)	1.57 - 1.65​
Band 7	Shortwave Infrared (SWIR2)	2.11 - 2.29​

natural color 4-3-2
View attachment 91422

see how it looks yellow in colored IR .

View attachment 91423

In Sentinel that Band 1 is Atmosphere Radiance. Which is not the case in Planet Labs or in general when you work with sat images from different sources. Band 1 is always red for a planet labs. Sentinel is special in this case since it has additional sensors.

 

[Jimih]

Interesting

 

[Deadtrap]

In Sentinel that Band 1 is Atmosphere Radiance. Which is not the case in Planet Labs or in general when you work with sat images from different sources. Band 1 is always red for a planet labs. Sentinel is special in this case since it has additional sensors.

Also to add- Atmosphere Radiance data in Sentinel comes from L1C sensor. L2A sensor gives corrected surface reflectance.

 

[Deadtrap]

bands are bands of spectrum.

its same thing

RGB = 4-3-2 = natural color

you know VIBGYOR ???

Man band 1 does not exist in Plant Labs. For PL is 3-2-1 visible spectrum and Band 4 is NIR.
You need to understand Top of Atmosphere (TOA) and Bottom of Atmosphere (BOA) data. Sentinel gives TOA data in Band 1 which is not the case in PL. PL gives BOA data.

 

[mokoman]

Man band 1 does not exist in Plant Labs. For PL is 3-2-1 visible spectrum and Band 4 is NIR.
You need to understand Top of Atmosphere (TOA) and Bottom of Atmosphere (BOA) data. Sentinel gives TOA data in Band 1 which is not the case in PL. PL gives BOA data.

well then i guess it varies by satellite sensor.

sentinel is 4 band i think ,but i seen upto 8 bands in browser,

landsat is 8 , i thought that was the standard.

planetlabs , i seen 4 and 3 .

 

[fire starter]

 

[Deadtrap]

well then i guess it varies by satellite sensor.

sentinel is 4 band i think ,but i seen upto 8 bands in browser,

landsat is 8 , i thought that was the standard.

planetlabs , i seen 4 and 3 .

Yes sentinel has many bands in its browser but most are poor resolution and useful only for Disaster relief and stuff.