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True.
But if AIP give more autonomy, it's far far away from nuclear capacity (can stay months under the sea)
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But if AIP give more autonomy, it's far far away from nuclear capacity (can stay months under the sea)
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They are not assumption ,I had look at the cost and maintenance for 10 years .If you try these item individual then the cost will add up ,but if we do a deal similar to Saudi Arabia where the buy multiple system fro a supplier to reduce the cost per system.
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We, French, can't imagine to think maybe USA is behind this affair.....
Rafale indian contract with MII and others things (Megajoule access, help for developping your SSN ...) is too big for uncle Sam....
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spain S80 is a bastard of Scorpene. But badly made. Spain asked USA a help to finish the boat....
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there can be N numbers of countries behind the leak, but the issues are
a) DCNS and France knew the leaks way backj in 2011, and you start to act now?
b) If any sub contractor of DCNS can put simply copy all the files, does not really give confidence about the security at DCNS.
c) The consequence will be felt by the countries using the weapons in the leaked plans,. France does not use Scorpene so its not affected, others,. definitely affected. If the 22400 pages information was just marketing info or not so critical info, then DCNS would not go far as getting court injuction to stop more leaks and to get the data back..
Now the data is with THE AUSTRALIAN, we are not sure who else has that data, maybe the Chinese, maybe the Pakistanis, maybe everyone else.. One fact is for certain that the leak comrpromises the Indian submarines the first of which is now undergoing trials
a) DCNS and France knew the leaks way backj in 2011, and you start to act now?
b) If any sub contractor of DCNS can put simply copy all the files, does not really give confidence about the security at DCNS.
c) The consequence will be felt by the countries using the weapons in the leaked plans,. France does not use Scorpene so its not affected, others,. definitely affected. If the 22400 pages information was just marketing info or not so critical info, then DCNS would not go far as getting court injuction to stop more leaks and to get the data back..
Now the data is with THE AUSTRALIAN, we are not sure who else has that data, maybe the Chinese, maybe the Pakistanis, maybe everyone else.. One fact is for certain that the leak comrpromises the Indian submarines the first of which is now undergoing trials
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India Shelves Plan To Expand French Submarine Order After Scorpene Data Breach
NEW DELHI: India is unlikely to give French naval contractor DCNS a proposed order for three new submarines, in addition to the six it is already building in the country, following the leak of secret data about its capabilities, defence officials said.
Details of the Scorpene submarine were published in the Australian newspaper last month, triggering concerns that it had become vulnerable even before it was ready to enter service.
DCNS had offered to build three more submarines to help India replace its ageing Soviet-era fleet, and had held talks over the past year, two Indian sources said.
That offer will not now be taken up, according to the officials.
"We had an agreement for six, and six it will remain," a defence ministry official briefed on the navy's plans told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.
A navy officer said there had been a serious breach of data and the navy's efforts were focused on determining the damage done to the existing submarines.
"No order will be signed, nothing is going to happen now," the officer, who is also been briefed on the submarine data leak, said when asked if the government planned to enlarge the order.
Defence ministry has written to DCNS asking for details about the extent of the leak and how data relating to the Scorpene's intelligence gathering frequencies, diving depth, endurance and weapons specifications had ended up in the public domain, both officials said.
A naval group headed by a three-star admiral is looking at altering some features of the submarine, the first of which began sea trials in May for induction later this year, to minimise any damage.
The remaining five are in various stages of production at state-run Mazgaon Docks shipyard in Mumbai and they were all due to enter service by 2020.
INVESTIGATION
An official at Mazgaon Docks said the firm was focused on completing the original order of six Scorpenes and that he was not aware of any plan to build more.
A DCNS spokesman said the firm was in close touch with "our key customers like India to keep them informed of the development of our investigation, respond to their questions and mitigate their legitimate worries".
"The investigation is still ongoing and one of its objectives is to determine the potential prejudice and minimize its potential consequences," the spokesman said.
DCNS is preparing to build a new fleet of submarines in Australia for A$50 billion ($38.13 billion). Australian defence officials have warned the firm to beef up security in the wake of the leak.
DCNS has said that the leak, which covered details of the Scorpene-class model and not the vessel currently being designed for the Australian fleet, bore the hallmarks of "economic warfare" carried out by frustrated competitors.
Indian officials have pointed to a "non-disclosure of information" clause that was written into the 2005 contract at French insistence, the first defence ministry official briefed on the communication with the DCNS, said.
But the official said the government could only invoke that clause if it was established that the data was leaked and not stolen. A French government source has said the firm had apparently been robbed, and it was not a leak, adding it was unlikely classified data was stolen.
NOISE SIGNATURE
Indian submarine experts say that, while the breach in information security was serious, it does not make the Scorpenes immediately vulnerable to detection.
The most vital data about a submarine is its unique "signature" of noise, heat and electro-magnetic emissions, and it is the combination of such signatures that determines the ability to detect them.
"If that is gone, then you might as well say goodbye to the submarine. You are exposed," said former vice admiral and submariner A K Singh.
Such signatures are assembled in the course of the sea trials of a submarine, and in the case of the Scorpenes that has yet to happen, he said.
India's submarine arm is down to 13 vessels, only half of which are operational at any time, and is falling rapidly behind China, which is expanding its maritime presence in the Indian Ocean.
Even Pakistan, which operates Agosta submarines also built by DCNS and is in talks with China for a new set of submarines, is drawing close to the operational strength of the Indian navy. The Indian government has approved the acquisition of the next generation of submarines beyond the Scorpene, in an project estimated at $8 billion.
DCNS has expressed an interest in that project, as has Russia and Germany's ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems.
The first defence official said he did not expect any movement on that project until the investigation into the Scorpene leak was completed and new security measures put in place.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/09/india-shelves-plan-to-expand-french.html
NEW DELHI: India is unlikely to give French naval contractor DCNS a proposed order for three new submarines, in addition to the six it is already building in the country, following the leak of secret data about its capabilities, defence officials said.
Details of the Scorpene submarine were published in the Australian newspaper last month, triggering concerns that it had become vulnerable even before it was ready to enter service.
DCNS had offered to build three more submarines to help India replace its ageing Soviet-era fleet, and had held talks over the past year, two Indian sources said.
That offer will not now be taken up, according to the officials.
"We had an agreement for six, and six it will remain," a defence ministry official briefed on the navy's plans told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.
A navy officer said there had been a serious breach of data and the navy's efforts were focused on determining the damage done to the existing submarines.
"No order will be signed, nothing is going to happen now," the officer, who is also been briefed on the submarine data leak, said when asked if the government planned to enlarge the order.
Defence ministry has written to DCNS asking for details about the extent of the leak and how data relating to the Scorpene's intelligence gathering frequencies, diving depth, endurance and weapons specifications had ended up in the public domain, both officials said.
A naval group headed by a three-star admiral is looking at altering some features of the submarine, the first of which began sea trials in May for induction later this year, to minimise any damage.
The remaining five are in various stages of production at state-run Mazgaon Docks shipyard in Mumbai and they were all due to enter service by 2020.
INVESTIGATION
An official at Mazgaon Docks said the firm was focused on completing the original order of six Scorpenes and that he was not aware of any plan to build more.
A DCNS spokesman said the firm was in close touch with "our key customers like India to keep them informed of the development of our investigation, respond to their questions and mitigate their legitimate worries".
"The investigation is still ongoing and one of its objectives is to determine the potential prejudice and minimize its potential consequences," the spokesman said.
DCNS is preparing to build a new fleet of submarines in Australia for A$50 billion ($38.13 billion). Australian defence officials have warned the firm to beef up security in the wake of the leak.
DCNS has said that the leak, which covered details of the Scorpene-class model and not the vessel currently being designed for the Australian fleet, bore the hallmarks of "economic warfare" carried out by frustrated competitors.
Indian officials have pointed to a "non-disclosure of information" clause that was written into the 2005 contract at French insistence, the first defence ministry official briefed on the communication with the DCNS, said.
But the official said the government could only invoke that clause if it was established that the data was leaked and not stolen. A French government source has said the firm had apparently been robbed, and it was not a leak, adding it was unlikely classified data was stolen.
NOISE SIGNATURE
Indian submarine experts say that, while the breach in information security was serious, it does not make the Scorpenes immediately vulnerable to detection.
The most vital data about a submarine is its unique "signature" of noise, heat and electro-magnetic emissions, and it is the combination of such signatures that determines the ability to detect them.
"If that is gone, then you might as well say goodbye to the submarine. You are exposed," said former vice admiral and submariner A K Singh.
Such signatures are assembled in the course of the sea trials of a submarine, and in the case of the Scorpenes that has yet to happen, he said.
India's submarine arm is down to 13 vessels, only half of which are operational at any time, and is falling rapidly behind China, which is expanding its maritime presence in the Indian Ocean.
Even Pakistan, which operates Agosta submarines also built by DCNS and is in talks with China for a new set of submarines, is drawing close to the operational strength of the Indian navy. The Indian government has approved the acquisition of the next generation of submarines beyond the Scorpene, in an project estimated at $8 billion.
DCNS has expressed an interest in that project, as has Russia and Germany's ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems.
The first defence official said he did not expect any movement on that project until the investigation into the Scorpene leak was completed and new security measures put in place.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/09/india-shelves-plan-to-expand-french.html
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Complete waste of time and money. Wonder if other countries will also cancel scorpene?
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Wrote this ,tried to put it up on the coverpage but unable to log in .Anyhoo here's my article on the road ahead for India's Submarine arm.Please read and let me know what you think!
http://bengalraider.blogspot.in/2016/09/indias-submarine-arm-road-ahead.html
http://bengalraider.blogspot.in/2016/09/indias-submarine-arm-road-ahead.html
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May be illegal child..:biggrin2: It had too many problems with weight imbalance and design flaws.....can't resurface after diving..AIP problems and many morespain S80 is a bastard of Scorpene. But badly made. Spain asked USA a help to finish the boat....
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Very good explanation....Hope some one in government will see that and change their mind
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How can you pretend DCNS was informed? it's not a Top Secret files.
When some one steal and copy data, you are not necessarily informed... but as DCNS is a french compagny, your brain is in short circuit mode.
Wasn't China that stole F22 and F35 datas????
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The contractor was DCNS contractor who stole it and IF DCNS has such security that someone can walk in DCNS armed just with USB and walk out with all data, I do not think it has much security,.
And as for Chinese stole the Data, the Chinese had to use a lot of Trained hackers and high tech equipment to steal the F-35 data. I mean no one walked with a USB drive and stole data from USA at least.
You french make it very easy to steal the data and then point fingers at USA-China.. matter.
For example if China stole data from USA its their matter, we are not buying F-35, so how does it effect us?
Where as Scorpene, it effects us,., it does not effect the french militarily.
And as for Chinese stole the Data, the Chinese had to use a lot of Trained hackers and high tech equipment to steal the F-35 data. I mean no one walked with a USB drive and stole data from USA at least.
You french make it very easy to steal the data and then point fingers at USA-China.. matter.
For example if China stole data from USA its their matter, we are not buying F-35, so how does it effect us?
Where as Scorpene, it effects us,., it does not effect the french militarily.
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Interesting views from Prasun K. Sengupta regarding the leak
To VIKRAM GUHA: The data that's supposedly been 'leaked' are ALL marketing presentations given by DCNS & THALES. Such presentations are always classified RESTRICTED, meaning they are commercial proprietary data. All they do is specify the guaranteed operating parameters which the OEM stands by. Those pages also reveal that this documentation was in the possession of IN HQ, & not with MDL, which concerns itself only with production/manufacturing data pertaining to the hull. Data on the SUBTICS CMS is also not sensitive as the Pakistan Navy's 3 Agosta 90B SSKs also use SUBTICS. The PDF also reveal that while some documents originated from DCNS, others originated from THALES. All in all, these were just part of a marketing presentation, that's all.
The documentation that will be classified as 'SECRET' or 'TOP SECRET' has not yet been drafted. Such documentation will be available ONLY AFTER the first Scorpene SSK completes her sea-trials & the supervising IN crew begins the process of writing the user manuals, which will be completely different from the manuals written by the navies of Chile, Malaysia & Brazil, simply because the operating conditions vary from sea to sea, ocean to ocean. Therefore, I will not be too concerned about the prospects of this 'leak' compromising national security in any manner.
Of course now a whole bunch of broadcast TV journalists will go to town making a mountain out of an ant-hill, & several retired IN officers will have their short-lived moments of glory by belching out illogical & ill-informed soundbytes of the type that were belched out WRT the 2 Fincantieri-made fleet tankers. But in reality, do rest assured that this 'leak' is by no stretch of imagination an event that will make the heavens fall.
To VIKRAM GUHA: The data that's supposedly been 'leaked' are ALL marketing presentations given by DCNS & THALES. Such presentations are always classified RESTRICTED, meaning they are commercial proprietary data. All they do is specify the guaranteed operating parameters which the OEM stands by. Those pages also reveal that this documentation was in the possession of IN HQ, & not with MDL, which concerns itself only with production/manufacturing data pertaining to the hull. Data on the SUBTICS CMS is also not sensitive as the Pakistan Navy's 3 Agosta 90B SSKs also use SUBTICS. The PDF also reveal that while some documents originated from DCNS, others originated from THALES. All in all, these were just part of a marketing presentation, that's all.
The documentation that will be classified as 'SECRET' or 'TOP SECRET' has not yet been drafted. Such documentation will be available ONLY AFTER the first Scorpene SSK completes her sea-trials & the supervising IN crew begins the process of writing the user manuals, which will be completely different from the manuals written by the navies of Chile, Malaysia & Brazil, simply because the operating conditions vary from sea to sea, ocean to ocean. Therefore, I will not be too concerned about the prospects of this 'leak' compromising national security in any manner.
Of course now a whole bunch of broadcast TV journalists will go to town making a mountain out of an ant-hill, & several retired IN officers will have their short-lived moments of glory by belching out illogical & ill-informed soundbytes of the type that were belched out WRT the 2 Fincantieri-made fleet tankers. But in reality, do rest assured that this 'leak' is by no stretch of imagination an event that will make the heavens fall.
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To AVI D: Those are ALL marketing materials & that's why if you see the top of the documents, it is classified as RESTRICTED, & not SECRET. All such information is given to any potential customer & I myself have scores of such presentations in PDF/PowerPoint formats for various platforms & sub-systems of submarines, aircraft, tanks etc etc running into thousands of pages. Hell, even the Pakistan Navy has had such data since the previous decade when it was in the market for single-hulled SSKs meant as replacements for its Agosta 70B SSKs.
It may well be a 'secret' for newspapers & journalists, but not industry professionals & domain experts who routinely come across such materials. I can tell you the only place when the SSK crew can speak freely are the toilets & engine compartment! Do you really ASSUME or perceive that a SSK equipped with vibration isolators & insulators meant for minimising the sounds generated by the propulsion system will be totally useless to prevent acoustic signatures emanating from human conversations??? Or are you ASSUMING that the SSK's crew complement always shout above one another when communicating, just like what happens during 'monsoon weddings'?
It may well be a 'secret' for newspapers & journalists, but not industry professionals & domain experts who routinely come across such materials. I can tell you the only place when the SSK crew can speak freely are the toilets & engine compartment! Do you really ASSUME or perceive that a SSK equipped with vibration isolators & insulators meant for minimising the sounds generated by the propulsion system will be totally useless to prevent acoustic signatures emanating from human conversations??? Or are you ASSUMING that the SSK's crew complement always shout above one another when communicating, just like what happens during 'monsoon weddings'?
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A sub is not a car.
For a car, 15 pages of marketing datas for a 25keuros purchase
A sub, 24000 pages for a unit cost of largely more than 25keuros x 24000/15 !
And these 24000 are about Scorpene, FREMM and MISTRAL also ....
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http://indianexpress.com/article/in...s-it-will-not-publish-more-documents-3003854/
Scorpene submarine leak: ‘The Australian’ newspaper says it will not publish more documents
Over 22,000 pages of top secret data on the capabilities of six highly advanced submarines being built for the Indian Navy in Mumbai in collaboration with the French company, have been leaked.
A leading Australian daily today said it will not be publishing more confidential data on the Indian Scorpene Class submarines after a court imposed a temporary ban on further publication of the documents. The New South Wales Supreme Court issued the order yesterday and ordered ‘The Australian’ to remove documents from its website, from which the newspaper had already redacted security-sensitive material, and to give French defence firm DCNS all of the company material in its possession by 5 PM tomorrow, according to media reports.
The court’s order came following an affidavit filed by DCNS which sought a ban on the publication of the sensitive documents by ‘The Australian’. The court’s order preventing the newspaper from using the leaked material expires at 5 PM on Thursday.The case will again be listed for hearing on Thursday in the Supreme Court.
In its affidavit, DCNS said the disclosure of the material had caused a prejudice against it because its competitors now have access to some of the company’s material, according to media reports.
The massive media coverage of the leak had jeopardised the company’s international image and reputation, the affidavit was quoted as saying. “The sensitive and protected nature of the documents also covers the nature, structure and the mere existence of the documents themselves,” it said.
A day after the court’s ruling, The Australian’s Associate Editor Cameron Stewart said, “there are very large documents but we are certainly not publishing more documents”. Asked if the paper intends to bring up any of the documents when the injunction ends, he told an Indian TV channel that, “No, we don’t. I’m not involved in the court process. I can’t comment very much and there are no plans to post any more items.”
Over 22,000 pages of top secret data on the capabilities of six highly advanced submarines being built for the Indian Navy in Mumbai in collaboration with the French company, have been leaked. The French public prosecutor has opened a preliminary investigation into the data leak, with DCNS filing a complaint of breach of trust.
DCNS will go all these level only for information that is freely available? Maybe you should start thinking
Scorpene submarine leak: ‘The Australian’ newspaper says it will not publish more documents
Over 22,000 pages of top secret data on the capabilities of six highly advanced submarines being built for the Indian Navy in Mumbai in collaboration with the French company, have been leaked.
A leading Australian daily today said it will not be publishing more confidential data on the Indian Scorpene Class submarines after a court imposed a temporary ban on further publication of the documents. The New South Wales Supreme Court issued the order yesterday and ordered ‘The Australian’ to remove documents from its website, from which the newspaper had already redacted security-sensitive material, and to give French defence firm DCNS all of the company material in its possession by 5 PM tomorrow, according to media reports.
The court’s order came following an affidavit filed by DCNS which sought a ban on the publication of the sensitive documents by ‘The Australian’. The court’s order preventing the newspaper from using the leaked material expires at 5 PM on Thursday.The case will again be listed for hearing on Thursday in the Supreme Court.
In its affidavit, DCNS said the disclosure of the material had caused a prejudice against it because its competitors now have access to some of the company’s material, according to media reports.
The massive media coverage of the leak had jeopardised the company’s international image and reputation, the affidavit was quoted as saying. “The sensitive and protected nature of the documents also covers the nature, structure and the mere existence of the documents themselves,” it said.
A day after the court’s ruling, The Australian’s Associate Editor Cameron Stewart said, “there are very large documents but we are certainly not publishing more documents”. Asked if the paper intends to bring up any of the documents when the injunction ends, he told an Indian TV channel that, “No, we don’t. I’m not involved in the court process. I can’t comment very much and there are no plans to post any more items.”
Over 22,000 pages of top secret data on the capabilities of six highly advanced submarines being built for the Indian Navy in Mumbai in collaboration with the French company, have been leaked. The French public prosecutor has opened a preliminary investigation into the data leak, with DCNS filing a complaint of breach of trust.
DCNS will go all these level only for information that is freely available? Maybe you should start thinking
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http://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/...mpromises-Indias-Top-Secret-Submarine-Program
Scorpene "Leak" Compromises India's Top Secret Submarine Program
THE CITIZEN BUREAU
Wednesday, August 24,2016
NEW DELHI: All hell has broken loose with 22,400 pages of “Restricted Scorpene India” leaked to The Australian newspaper. All involved are scurrying to cover their back with the French ordering an enquiry, DCNS pointing fingers wildly at all sides including India, and New Delhi maintaining that it seemed to be “a case of hacking” and the leak was from abroad not within the country.
India’s top secret submarine program stands now completely exposed. Vital details of India’s top secret US $ 3.5 billion Scorpene submarine---the first of the six expected to join service by 2016---are now in the public domain, available to all. Pakistan, China and world governments have full access and details of the design and details of the Indian submarines under manufacture. The six class stealth Scorpene submarines were to be the mainstay of the Indian naval fleet, with the leakage now expected to have major repercussions on this program.
A DCNS spokesperson issued a statement confirming the leak,"As a serious matter pertaining to the Indian Scorpene program, French national authorities for defense security will formally investigate and determine the exact nature of the leaked documents.” The Australian indicated that DCNS seemed to imply that the leak was from India, and not from France.
As naval sources told The Citizen, there is nothing left to know now about the top secret submarines, it is all there with charts, drawings, details in the 22400 pages of information. The documents are primarily on India’s vessels, with nothing about the Indian Scorpene being left to the imagination. INS Kalvari, the first submarine being built at Mumbai’s Mazagon Docks was scheduled to be in service by the end of this year. The project is already running six years late.. Interestingly the documents with The Australian do not give any details of the submarine being currently designed for the Australian navy.
Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar told reporters that he had got information of the leak at midnight saying, “I understand there has been a case of hacking.” Naval sources said that while operational and strategic details of where, when and how the submarines would be deployed make the difference between defeat and victory during war, the nature of the design and weapon systems used in the Scorpene that are now with the rival navies of the world is “absolutely devastating.”
In a bare statement the Ministry of Defence(Navy) stated,"the available information is being examined at Integrated Headquarters, Ministry of Defense (Navy) and an analysis is being carried out by the concerned specialists.It appears that the source of leak is from overseas and not in India."
This virtually renders the Scorpene program inoperable, according to the sources. “It could not have come at a worst time, as India has a fleet of 13 aging submarines while the Chinese navy is expanding rapidly.
Significantly according to a Global Fire Power (globalfirepower.com) ranking the top three Navies of the world with the highest number of submarines are the United States-75, North Korea-70 and China just behind with 68 submarines. India is a poor eighth with a fleet of 14 submarines according to GFP, and Pakistan at rank 22 with just five. The six Scorpenes are to have been a significant addition to India, but the leak now seriously comprises this program. Interestingly Russia is ranked 4 with 60 submarines, and Iran is ahead of many major countries including Japan, at rank 5 with 33 submarines.
Scorpene "Leak" Compromises India's Top Secret Submarine Program
THE CITIZEN BUREAU
Wednesday, August 24,2016
NEW DELHI: All hell has broken loose with 22,400 pages of “Restricted Scorpene India” leaked to The Australian newspaper. All involved are scurrying to cover their back with the French ordering an enquiry, DCNS pointing fingers wildly at all sides including India, and New Delhi maintaining that it seemed to be “a case of hacking” and the leak was from abroad not within the country.
India’s top secret submarine program stands now completely exposed. Vital details of India’s top secret US $ 3.5 billion Scorpene submarine---the first of the six expected to join service by 2016---are now in the public domain, available to all. Pakistan, China and world governments have full access and details of the design and details of the Indian submarines under manufacture. The six class stealth Scorpene submarines were to be the mainstay of the Indian naval fleet, with the leakage now expected to have major repercussions on this program.
- The leaked ‘secret’ information, according to The Australian reveals:
- The stealth capabilities of the six new Indian Scorpene submarines;
- The frequencies at which the subs gather intelligence;
- The levels of noise the subs make at various speeds;
- Diving depths, range and endurance;
- Magnetic, electromagnetic and infra-red data;
- Specification of the submarine’s torpedo launch system and the combat system;
- Speech and conditions needed for using the periscope;
- Propellers noise specifications;
- Radiated noise levels when the submarine surfaces.
A DCNS spokesperson issued a statement confirming the leak,"As a serious matter pertaining to the Indian Scorpene program, French national authorities for defense security will formally investigate and determine the exact nature of the leaked documents.” The Australian indicated that DCNS seemed to imply that the leak was from India, and not from France.
As naval sources told The Citizen, there is nothing left to know now about the top secret submarines, it is all there with charts, drawings, details in the 22400 pages of information. The documents are primarily on India’s vessels, with nothing about the Indian Scorpene being left to the imagination. INS Kalvari, the first submarine being built at Mumbai’s Mazagon Docks was scheduled to be in service by the end of this year. The project is already running six years late.. Interestingly the documents with The Australian do not give any details of the submarine being currently designed for the Australian navy.
Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar told reporters that he had got information of the leak at midnight saying, “I understand there has been a case of hacking.” Naval sources said that while operational and strategic details of where, when and how the submarines would be deployed make the difference between defeat and victory during war, the nature of the design and weapon systems used in the Scorpene that are now with the rival navies of the world is “absolutely devastating.”
In a bare statement the Ministry of Defence(Navy) stated,"the available information is being examined at Integrated Headquarters, Ministry of Defense (Navy) and an analysis is being carried out by the concerned specialists.It appears that the source of leak is from overseas and not in India."
This virtually renders the Scorpene program inoperable, according to the sources. “It could not have come at a worst time, as India has a fleet of 13 aging submarines while the Chinese navy is expanding rapidly.
Significantly according to a Global Fire Power (globalfirepower.com) ranking the top three Navies of the world with the highest number of submarines are the United States-75, North Korea-70 and China just behind with 68 submarines. India is a poor eighth with a fleet of 14 submarines according to GFP, and Pakistan at rank 22 with just five. The six Scorpenes are to have been a significant addition to India, but the leak now seriously comprises this program. Interestingly Russia is ranked 4 with 60 submarines, and Iran is ahead of many major countries including Japan, at rank 5 with 33 submarines.
