IN Scorpene Submarines - News & Discussions

[HariPrasad-1]

I think P75i are subs with DRDO developed aip. India would definitely want cruise missile firing capability in these subs probably longer range, than what is possible with brahmos.

Nirbhay is coming with 1000 KM range. It is not much different in dimension to Brahmos.

 

[tharun]

How?

How? Can you give details of this proposal?

That's my view..type-214 is 300-400 million $
Scorpene is about 500 million $
For 8 billion $ we can get atleast 16 submarines without VLS systems

 

[HariPrasad-1]

It seems MOD wants 3 more Scorpene. However even this may be stuck on price.

The local diesel sub program (most likely for private sector) is on track.

Yes One russian design sub is under construction at L & T Hazira.

 

[garg_bharat]

That's my view..type-214 is 300-400 million $
Scorpene is about 500 million $
For 8 billion $ we can get atleast 16 submarines without VLS systems

It could be an Indian design, incorporating Indian sub launched missiles. I think an Indian design gives more flexibility as the sub can be adapted for local cruise missile and possibly ballistic missile.

 

[tharun]

Yes One russian design sub is under construction at L & T Hazira.

What russian design? Can u give me any source

 

[HariPrasad-1]

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[HariPrasad-1]

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[HariPrasad-1]

Sibmarine cells 3 m in height and 10 m in dia are prepared and sent to Vizag for final assembly.

 

[aditya g]

I doubt. They would have been selected German sub otherwise.

Hdw was rejected due to ongoing investigation into the bribery scandal. I don't think we ever came down to conversations around price.

 

[MKM]

I think we should scrap or modify P-75I...
We can get 16 submarines for $8 Billion with AIP

I don't think that is possible, also include inflation, getting any submarine which is not in category of Scorpene is like getting Mig 27s, don't you think?
Can navy accept that, navy will say build more scorpenes but we don't want more Kilos.

Nirbhay is coming with 1000 KM range. It is not much different in dimension to Brahmos.

Well
BrahMos
Weight 3,000 kg
Length 8.4 m (28 ft)
Diameter 0.6 m (2.0 ft)

Nirbhay
Weight 1,000 kilograms
Length 6 m (20 ft)
Diameter 0.52 m (1.7 ft)

 

[tharun]

I don't think that is possible, also include inflation, getting any submarine which is not in category of Scorpene is like getting Mig 27s, don't you think?
Can navy accept that, navy will say build more scorpenes but we don't want more Kilos.

What's your point first?
If your building in numbers inflation will not be problem.
You can get every possible submarine in scorpene class for 500 million dollars.(type-214,amur-1650) with AIP
so $8 billion is 16 submarines..

 

[Sabru Foxtrot]

Indian Navy Ships during Combined Commanders Conference on board INS Vikramaditya at Sea, off the coast of Kochi.

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[MKM]

1st Scorpène-class submarine Kalvari heads out to sea tomorrow from Mumbai

 

[HariPrasad-1]

1st Scorpène-class submarine Kalvari heads out to sea tomorrow from Mumbai

Looking to the fast track record of Indian navy, we may expect the submarine to be commissioned very soon. Does anybody has any idea when the submarine shall be commissioned?

 

[Tactical Frog]

1st Scorpène-class submarine Kalvari heads out to sea tomorrow from Mumbai

Beautiful red shark ! Delivery to IN scheduled in september 2016 according a french site. New Finmeccanica Black Shark torpedoes too ??

 

[Abhi9]

INS Kalvari departing for sea trials

Credits: Livefist

 

[Rahul Singh]

Just cancel P-75I and extend order to 12 with a private line getting last six. MDL experience will help establish line and training. Otherwise is definitely very time consuming if not also pricey. Then on we move to locally designed SSKs. I hope design work is already on.

 

[garg_bharat]

MDL will have 3 extra Scorpene (options). This will keep it busy for next 7-8 years. (to deliver 8 more).

P75i must go to a private sector player. I think L&T has the right experience in sub building. Technically what is different between Arihant and SSK? Only the powerplant. We may want vertical tubes in P75i. We would like P75i to fire cruise missiles from vertical tubes.

I would prefer Pipapav to build/refurbish Kilo class boats. This would have market in India as well as overseas.

 

[Gessler]

Just cancel P-75I and extend order to 12 with a private line getting last six. MDL experience will help establish line and training. Otherwise is definitely very time consuming if not also pricey. Then on we move to locally designed SSKs. I hope design work is already on.

I support the idea of scrapping a seperate P-75I tender...instead, we should just buy 6 to 9 more Scorpenes, but this time with either the MESMA-II or the DRDO AIP from the start. Logically, this is what is most likely to happen.

Because if we go ahead and buy a different submarine in P-75I (like U214 or Amur), we'd be the only Navy in the world to have operated 4 different types of diesel-electric SSKs in recent times. Kilo, U209, Scorpene & P-75I. It would be a logistical nightmare and a huge waste of money & time.

The Kilos and the U209s would be retired within the next ~10 years, after that our whole conventionally-powered submarine fleet would be based around the Scorpene infrastructure only. A single design.

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However, I do not think that we should get private yards into the SSK game...companies like L&T have already fabricated the hulls of the Arihant-class SSBN and therefore have ample experience with nuclear subs. We have 2 distinct N-sub projects in the offing;

• A much larger ballistic missile submarine (SSBN), the successor to the Arihant-class. Rumored to displace approx. 20,000 tons and draws design elements from the Russian Delta-IV class of boomers. Upto 12 missile silos with MIRVed intercontinental-ranged SLBMs. A minimum of 3 and maximum of 5 boats required.

• A hunter-killer SSN of approx. 5,000 tons displacement. Could be based off either DCNS Barracuda or a Russian design with French electronics/systems thrown in. The first tranche would consist of 6 boats...but as we'll need these in numbers in order to escort & protect the 3 + 3 SSBNs, a minimum 3 CBGs and ofcourse for patrolling all across the Indian Ocean Region...the numbers will easily double to atleast 12 or 16 boats eventually.

The private cos. should be exclusively employed in order to form additional production lines for the nuclear subs, in addition to the one in Vizag which is churning out the Arihant-class boats as we speak. Why? Because in the future, the number of Nuclear-powered submarines in the IN will easily outnumber the diesel-electric ones. The N-subs are the big fish which need the maximum investment, the maximum industrial capabilities and should thus be the ones getting the maximum private-sector participation.

The reason why additional Scorpenes should be sought is because we should not lose the industrial expertise and know-how that MDL & it's workforce has learnt while building the current 6 boats - which would be the case if we stop Scorpene production at 6 units and start building a different submarine-class instead, especially when we still have a requirement for atleast 6-9 more SSKs.

In my opinion, a parallel production line for components etc. should be set up within MDL - which would allow for the delivery of the follow-on orders at a much quicker rate. But MDL alone should be employed with SSKs.

 

[bose]

Order more Scorpene probably with larger sizes with VLS & AIP ... augment the Mazagon production plant for scropenes ... It makes sense and saves time and money...