Imported Single Engine Fighter Jet Contest

[Screambowl]

Rafale was designed for deep low detectability strike missions. With AASM it would fly in below the detectable horizon and pop a 15km shot and bug out. S400 can't stop that, if we have current intel we can load out Scalp and take them at range.

well it can dodge the missile system during infiltration
but exfiltration and returning would be tough.

There is no arithmetic involved. You cannot fly low once Paki f16s or Chinese jf17s, J10s are on your tail while returning.

 

[Armand2REP]

well it can dodge the missile system during infiltration
but exfiltration and returning would be tough.

There is no arithmetic involved. You cannot fly low once Paki f16s or Chinese jf17s, J10s are on your tail while returning.

Is this a lone-wolf mission or do we not get an egress CAP?

 

[Screambowl]

Is this a lone-wolf mission or do we not get an egress CAP?

What about the egress CAP in enemy airspace? We should not forget they are sharing border with us. Even if they throw stone cruising at 30000ft with 800km/hr over Attari, it will fall on Amritsar and break a glass.

 

[Armand2REP]

What about the egress CAP in enemy airspace? We should not forget they are sharing border with us. Even if they throw stone cruising at 30000ft with 800km/hr over Attari, it will fall on Amritsar and break a glass.

If it is a state of war the whole point is to gain air superiority.

 

[Screambowl]

If it is a state of war the whole point is to gain air superiority.

There will be sectors where Pakistan will have air superiority and other sectors will have India dominated on them. You can't say anything unless until war breaks out.

 

[Armand2REP]

There will be sectors where Pakistan will have air superiority and other sectors will have India dominated on them. You can't say anything unless until war breaks out.

Regardless CAP will be provided to cover it's egress... standard procedure for any strike package.

 

[WolfPack86]

Lockheed Preps F-16 Line Move To Greenville, With Eye On India

Lockheed Martin is gearing up to shift production of new F-16s to its Greenville, South Carolina, facility, but is still eyeing a longer-term move to India if New Delhi agrees to buy at least 100 new aircraft. Discussions between Washington and New Delhi about moving the F-16 production line to India are ongoing, says Randy Howard, Lockheed Martin’s director of F-16 business development, dispelling rumors that the move to Greenville means the India deal is a no-go.
After building F-16s in Fort Worth since the 1970s, Lockheed Martin has finally decided to move future production of the aircraft. Greenville, S.C., is the location chosen for the future F-16 assembly line, said Ken Ross, a spokesman for Lockheed Martin Aeronautics in Fort Worth. Economic factors, such as existing capacity and a proven workforce, made it attractive to restart the production line in
South Carolina.
At this point, future F-16 production will likely be limited to some overseas demand. The bigger program is staying in Fort Worth.
Lockheed has delivered more than 4,500 F-16s over the four decades of the program, according to media reports.
The company said that it had considered a plan to move the work to India if it placed a large order for the planes. The company now supplies F-16s mostly to foreign military clients who are U.S. allies. The last F-16s built in Fort Worth are scheduled to go to the Iraqi Air Force.
Lockheed could still move production of some F-16s to India, which is aiming to become a defense manufacturing hub. India has been pushing Lockheed and rival Boeing to bring production to India as a condition for buying the fighter jets.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/05/lockheed-preps-f-16-line-move-to.html

 

[sthf]

F-16 is a single engine aircraft that will probably stifle our homegrown LCA. Not too excited with this thread.

After all this singing & dancing, result will be zero. Parrikar was a very good Defence minister but the man was obsessed with "saving money".

1) Atleast 36 more Rafales would be ordered.
2) Tejas will be only single engine fighter in IAF.

 

[WolfPack86]

As India's first @MakeInIndia fighter program revs up, we get @Saab & @LockheedMartin to lock horns in the first face-off of its kind.
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

 

[WolfPack86]

Tomorrow on Livefist: The Dogfight You've Been Waiting For.
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

 

[F-14B]

Is there going to be a fly off???

 

[WolfPack86]

LIVEFIST POLL: Which fighter should India choose for its single-engine @MakeInIndia project?
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

 

[WolfPack86]

Policy On Private Sector's Role In Defence Production Soon
NEW DELHI: The defence ministry is looking to finalise the much-touted but long-delayed "strategic partnership (SP)" policy for private sector participation in defence production in the country.
Sources said the defence acquisitions council (DAC), chaired by defence minister Arun Jaitley, will meet to discuss the SP policy later this month. "The policy is likely to be cleared in the DAC meeting.
The contentious issues have more or less been sorted out," said a source. The SP model seeks to create capacity for arms production in the private sector on a long-term basis, over and above the capacity and infrastructure that exist in the defence PSUs, and gradually replace the existing system to award contracts only to the lowest bidder (L-1), as was earlier reported by TOI.
It flows from the reports of the Dhirendra Singh and V K Aatre expert committees, which proposed selection and nomination of Indian private sector defence companies as strategic partners for global armament companies to jointly produce weapons systems under the 'Make in India' policy.
The broadly identified segments in Group-1 are aircraft, helicopters, aero-engine,submarines, warships, guns and artillery, and armoured vehicles like tanks. Metallic materials and alloys, non-metallic material and ammunition figure in the technology areas in Group-2. The SP policy was to be part of the new Defence Procurement Procedure (DPP), which came into effect in April 2016, but has not been finalised till now. This has further delayed the proposed projects for a new fighter production line as well as the Rs 70,000 crore project to build six new-generation stealth submarines.
A major bone of contention in the SP policy has been the recommendation that only one private sector company be selected as the strategic partner in each of the seven segments in Group-1, while two are nominated in each category in Group-2.
Moreover, it was proposed that only those private sector companies be selected that have adequate financial strength, demonstrable manufacturing expertise and ability to absorb technology from their foreign partners. Given all this, there are concerns that defence production in the country may be cornered by only a few big companies.
But MoD sources said "transparency and some competitive selection" will figure in the SP policy that will be cleared to allay such fears.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/05/policy-on-private-sectors-role-in.html

 

[WolfPack86]

PMO, Jaitley push clears path for big private role in defence production

A formal selection process is yet to begin but internal deliberations indicate that six major Indian companies interested in the sector will be able to qualify on financial grounds to be chosen for the strategic partnership model.
by Manu Pubby

NEW DELHI: The defence ministry seems to have unlocked the strategic partnership (SP) logjam with a firm push from the Prime Minister’s Office and sustained focus by defence minister Arun Jaitley, setting up the private sector to play a major role in the production of weapons systems for the armed forces.

A tussle within the bureaucracy over what rules the SP model would follow had resulted in a stalemate within the ministry since February 2016, frustrating leading private sector companies that were expecting to get mega production orders for aircraft, submarines and land systems, a traditional stronghold of the public sector.

Sources have told ET that a series of meetings, particularly one held in the PMO last week, have given the last-mile push to the initiative.

Top private sector representatives from three industrial bodies have now been invited by the defence ministry for a meeting on Thursday, where the government is expected to unveil progress made.

It is expected that four projects will be taken up in the first phase of the strategic partnership project — new submarines, a naval utility helicopter, a single-engine fighter aircraft for the air force and armoured vehicles for the army. The armed forces, the navy in particular, are keen to move fast on the concept to meet urgent requirements and address the equipment deficit.

“There is no doubt that involving the private sector in this way is the best way forward. Most of the issues have been resolved and the initiative needs to be started on a ‘yesterday’ basis — there is no time to be lost,” a senior armed forces officer involved in the discussions on the matter told ET.

Contentious issues, including objections from a certain section of the bureaucracy on how to ensure competitiveness after choosing a certain private sector player as a strategic partner for a specific role like, say, shipbuilding, has resulted in rules not being framed, despite the policy being announced as an integral part of India’s defence procurement policy since early last year.

Officials said a middle ground has been found on most issues, the driving force being specific directions from the PMO that the private sector needs to get a significant chunk of military orders, given that the current model being followed, to push most orders to the public sector, has not been yielding the desired results.

“There are ways to resolve issues. The objection on the long term covenant for example cannot hold as anyone making a system like submarines or fighter jets will have to be involved for a 20-25-year lifetime of the product,” a senior government official said.

Though initially a divided house on modalities of the SP model, the private sector too is now on board with the government’s new push. Several industry leaders that ET spoke with said on condition of anonymity that the principle was always accepted but now issues like the selection process and division of work have been resolved.

A formal selection process is yet to begin but internal deliberations indicate that six major Indian companies interested in the sector will be able to qualify on financial grounds to be chosen for the strategic partnership model. This includes the relevant units of Larsen & Toubro, TATA, Mahindra & Mahindra, Reliance Defence, Bharat Forge and the Adani Group. Projects worth several billion dollars are expected to be unlocked for the private sector, analysts said.

“Through SP policy, programs estimated to be in excess of $20 billion will open up and an attempt will be made to bring the private sector on par with DPSUs (defence public sector units) in terms of opportunity,” said Ankur Gupta, vice-president, EY India. “Post policy roll out, the private sector has to make necessary investments to leverage this bold government initiative and deliver on the large-ticket programs.”

As per the current plan, only one company will be allowed to undertake one strategic project and would not qualify to compete for others. This has thrown up a unique challenge for companies such as TATA and L&T that have diversified interests in the field.

TATA, for example, could want to compete for the armoured vehicles project through its TATA Motors subsidiary and for the naval helicopter contract through TATA Advanced Systems (TASL). More clarity is expected on the matter at Tuesday’s meeting.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/05/pmo-jaitley-push-clears-path-for-big.html

 

[WolfPack86]

Saab Gripen-E which has been offered to India for 200 Single Engine fighter aircraft,has one of the best built in Electronic Warfare suite which help the aircraft to act in intense electronic environment and also has increased survivability than other 4.5 gen aircrafts,being offered to India now.

The Gripen has an advanced and integrated electronic warfare suite, capable of operating in an undetectable passive mode or to actively jam hostile radar; a missile approach warning system passively detects and tracks incoming missiles.

Gripen-E features a Selex Galileo-Raven ES-05 AESA Radar which gives 200° Coverage fitted on a swashplate at the nose of the aircraft which gives substantial advantage to the aircraft for Close Air Support missions. The sensors of the Gripen E are claimed to be able to detect low radar cross-section (RCS) targets at beyond visual range

It features a Skyward G passive Infrared Search and Track (IRST) sensor system developed by Selex which is mounted on the nose of the aircraft and does not emit signals which will be able to detect thermal emissions from air and ground targets. The aircraft is further fitted with a passively listening advanced electronic warfare (EW) system.

Gripen-E has the ability to carry a variety of pods for different missions like reconnaissance and target designation, such as Rafael's LITENING targeting pod, Saab's Modular Reconnaissance Pod System, or Thales' Digital Joint Reconnaissance Pod

Gripen E features a new electronic architecture called in general terms as Net Centric Warfare - NCW. The advanced central system Participant Precise Location and Identification ( #PPLI ) connects all the internal and external sensors mounted on the aircraft such as RAVEN, IRST, EW39, ATFLIR pods. This gives Gripen-E a better solution to a wide spectrum of threats in different situations.

Gripen-E features a highly advanced sensor-fusion technology which are integrated using five MIL-STD-1553B digital data buses making the Gripen a "programmable" aircraft, allowing software updates to be introduced over time to increase performance and allow for additional operational roles and equipment.

The best thing in Gripen-E would be that it will feature a next-gen active missile decoy known as "BriteCloud" which is dispensed from a standard 55mm flare cartridge, and is designed to draw threats away from the host platform, generating large miss distances.

Once released, the "BriteCloud" uses a standalone digital memory technology ( #DRFM ),as threats are prioritized and countered. The radar pulses are received in the onboard computer of the "BriteCloud" and then it is copied using the frequency of repetitions and a "false target" is simulated which is quite convincing for the adversary system as it can not detect the deception.

Gripen-E sports a Ericsson Modular Airborne Computer system ( #MACS ) which is a highly modular multiprocessor real time computer designed for severe electronic environment and is quite pilot friendly as it gives the pilot a situational awareness.

The Enhanced Survivability Technology Modular Self Protection Pod ( #ESTL ) provides covert sustainable pre-emptive dispensing, missile warning, forward firing of flares and cocktail dispensing. ESTL which can handle up to eight threats at a time, brings together several components from Saab's countermeasures portfolio, including BOL and BOP dispensers, integrated defensive aids system (IDAS) system as well as the defensive aids control unit,thus increasing further survivability.

Note - Some of the data may seem speculative due to the fact information was take from official company sources and not an independent one.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamINDRA/photos/?ref=page_internal

 

[WolfPack86]

Process Ready To Select Private Companies For Mega Defence Orders
ET has learnt that the defence ministry’s new strategic policy (SP) model will create a pool of six Indian companies that will be accorded special status.
NEW DELHI: The defence ministry has finalised its road map for the selection of private sector companies for mega military production orders, with an elaborate procedure spelt out in a new policy to be unveiled this week. Financial strength, technical capability and existing infrastructure will be the main criteria for selection of the Indian companies while foreign partners will be selected in a parallel process on technical and commercial grounds.

ET has learnt that the defence ministry’s new strategic policy (SP) model will create a pool of six Indian companies that will be accorded special status. Once the pool is created, the companies will be given the opportunity to bid for mega defence production orders, expected to be worth over $20 billion.

As per the policy, in the first stage, the six Indian companies will qualify to bid for four upcoming projects – submarines for the navy, a single-engine fighter for the air force, helicopters and armoured vehicles for the army.

Interestingly, the new policy means that almost all Memorandum of Understanding (MoUs) that have been signed between Indian companies and foreign players over the last three years for these projects will be rendered infructuous, given the new model of selection. “The defence ministry will shortly invite companies for the qualification process. The companies will be asked to give their priority preference for the four projects. A total of six companies will be selected based on financial parameters and capability,” a senior official told ET.

The ministry has an ambitious target of nine months to select the pool of Indian companies. The selection will be carried out in a five step process, starting with financial and technical evaluation that will have certain criteria, including a Crisil A rating and a minimum turnover of Rs 4,000 crore for the past three years.
Concurrently, the ministry will initiate work to identify foreign partners for the four identified projects. This selection will be based on technical evaluations and field trials. Once the foreign vendors are shortlisted, the Indian pool will be invited to plan collaborations and present joint proposals that will be the basis of a final selection.

As per the policy, one Indian company will be allowed to participate in only one strategic partnership project to avoid a monopolistic situation. With this model, the ministry is hoping to avoid questions about competitiveness and price discovery, given that a pool of both Indian and foreign vendors will be competing for collaborative projects. “Concerns that were raised from various quarters, including from within the ministry, have now been addressed,” the official said.

While the industry is relieved that the stalled process – the SP model has been in the works for over two years – has got back on track, top executives said that they are waiting for the fine print of the policy that will contain details about the selection process.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2017/05/process-ready-to-select-private.html

 

[WolfPack86]

India's 'Strategic Partnership' ready for roll-out. Single engine fighters & submarines among top4 programs to be kicked off. Details today.
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

 

[WolfPack86]

FOUR @MakeInIndia projects to kick off Strategic Partnership policy: 1. Single engine fighter 2. Submarine 3. Armoured vehicles 4. Helos
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

 

[WolfPack86]

If it comes down to a choice between the F-16 and Gripen, the latter will be have to be the choice.
https://twitter.com/SJha1618?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

 

[Flame Thrower]

What everyone fails to understand is IAF has to answer MoD why Gripen NG is chosen over LCA MK2 especially when MK2 work is going on and SAAB has offered sensor package to LCA.

Now f 16 block 70 has better chances than NG in terms of tech as MoD can't question them that LCA MK2 is same as Far 16. But everyone in India will question IAF that Pak has F 16 and why are we buying same plane. Trust me IAF not go for F 16 this is one of the main reason.

In short who ever has a dream seeing either of the birds has to come to reality prior 2019. Else, they can give goodbye kiss to their dream unless Congress wins 2019 and change the plan.