IAF's SA-8s SAM failed repeatedly

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The purpose of the excersise was to gauge the effectiveness of the system... clearly it is not effective. A replacement must be found post-haste. VL Mica is available...


Oman test fire...
 

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First thing the SA-8 was developed in 1960's and I doubt that they were upgraded hence the dismal performance.
Also Gen VK Singh warned PM that air defence equipment is 97% obsolete, while its surprising that no comprehensive effort was put into acquiring and building credible airdefence.

We have lots of options ranging from Kolchuga radars, Pantsir-1 to S-400 its not about Russian poor equipment rather own Indian poor planning that continues to flog outdated equipment in modern warfare conditions.

Note that while you point 1 finger towards someone 3 are already pointed at yourself, a bit of introspection is needed
 

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And we canceled our deal with Israel for Barak. Kya hoga is desh ka :sigh:
 

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The purpose of the excersise was to gauge the effectiveness of the system... clearly it is not effective. A replacement must be found post-haste. VL Mica is available...
MBDA SR-SAM is one hell of a superb missile i guess we will get it in the form of MBDA MAITRI QRSAM.........
 

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last line is a biggest thing in the whole article.

russian missiles are inducted and then test fired/taken for trial. but indian missiles are test fired for decades before getting even a small batch or limited batch order.

why????
 

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Some deal was canceled with Israel now I am confused.
That Sir was Rafael Spike Anti Tank missile deal of IA by Rajat Pandit of ToI not IAI Barak-8 deal........IMHO the latter is a joint development/co-operation going on in full force between the two countries...............
 

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MBDA SR-SAM is one hell of a superb missile i guess we will get it in the form of MBDA MAITRI QRSAM.........
Considering Israelis are failing miserably, a Maitri SAM based on Mica with a booster could easily replace that and meet QRSAM.
 

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I did not understand from this article a couple of things. This is a proven SAM system produced since the 80s.
Isn't it obvious why it failed. They are demonstrating to MoD on why these SAMs need to be replaced with a new system.

We took delivery of OSA-AKs in 1994. They are currently past their shelf life. Meaning the IA does not have a replacement system while DRDO and MBDA are still negotiating the configuration for Maitri.

Indian Army Shows Urgency in SR-SAM Acquisition by Issuing a Global Tender - Defence Now

IAF bought SPYDER-SR, so they are safe. They are pushing for SPYDER-MR now. So IA is stuck without a missile today.

The article further states that the test was for a missile which will also be used as an Air to Air Missile.
Desi Dork Media. Ever heard of Air to Air Brahmos missile?
 
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If i am not wrong OSA-AK is with Indian Armed forces since 80's , I am well versed with purchase of 90s and 2000 and OSA-AK was never originally purchased in 90's

There are many reason why a missile would fail , either the shelf life is over or the missile were not maintained/handled properly ,or the missile parts itself did not live to the original designed life which is premature component failure.

Even firing a missile with failed shelf life would give an idea on the failure rate of missile beyond its expected life.

There was news some years back that IN was using Sea Eagle missile even after the end of its shelf life and as a reason it was causing high failure rate.

Unless we know what was the purpose of joint test firing and what caused the failure of these missile its hard to speculate.
 

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Stop hawking your wares already! :rofl:

You the quintessential salesman!!! :lol:

Considering Israelis are failing miserably, a Maitri SAM based on Mica with a booster could easily replace that and meet QRSAM.
The purpose of the excersise was to gauge the effectiveness of the system... clearly it is not effective. A replacement must be found post-haste. VL Mica is available...


Oman test fire...
 
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@Austin

SIPRI lists a 1993-94 deal for 80 OSA-AK systems.

I doubt there are any alive from the 80s.
 
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How are these missiles stored? does shelf life also depends on how the missiles are stored.
 

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SA-8 & Russian MANPADs also SA-13 fail miserably all the time, My comment based on Annual Exercise conducted by AD units based near Andhra..

There are two reasons :

1. Faulty Imports from old stocks..

2. Lack of training with Live ammo..

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SA-8 are recently upgrade in Poland / Belarus..
 

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Mystery over Russian missiles repeated failure



The Indian Air Force (IAF) troupe had to wind up their air defence exercise at a test facility here as three trials of the five attempts made to engage aerial targets by a Russian surface-to-air missile (SAM) failed recently. The exercise was conducted at the Integrated Test Range (ITR) in Chandipur with logistical support from the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

The trials were carried out between April 22 and 29 to engage pilotless target aircraft (PTA), Lakshya, by Russian OSA-AK missile. Sources said in the first attempt, the vehicle-mounted and mobile missile could not be launched as Lakshya developed snags mid-air and broke down.

During the second attempt on April 24, the exercise was successful. Though during the third attempt on April 25 Lakshya had a smooth flight as coordinated, the missile did not take off due to a technical snag forcing the armed force officials to postpone the exercise for three days.

There were two trials on April 29 aimed at low and medium altitude interceptions. While in the first trial, the missile successfully intercepted the tow body at the low altitude, during second attempt for the medium level altitude, the weapon failed to take off.

An official associated with the mission said not only the missile, the aerial target (Lakshya) also failed to deliver desired results during the exercise.

Defence sources said OSA-AK missile is a Russian made highly mobile, short-range tactical surface-to-air missile system in use by IAF for the last two decades. The missile is intended for strategic ground facilities against air strikes by manned or unmanned air vehicles flying at low and medium altitudes.

It features an all-in-one transporter erector launcher and radar (TELAR) vehicle which can detect, track and engage aircraft independently or with the aid of regimental surveillance radars. Each TELAR, which is able to launch and guide two missiles against one target simultaneously, features six ready to fire missiles, sealed in separate containers.

Officials said reasons behind the failed attempts were being analysed and it could be due to the malfunction in the missile system during storage period. No IAF official could be contacted for comment.
 

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When i see such news, i only imagine if it were DRDO's?
There will be thousands of SO CALLED DEFENCE JOURNOs of TOI and TNE fame tearing DRDO into pieces,"quoting unnamed ministry of defence high officials puting a stop on all DRDO projects till this problem is rectified".

And their stories would have been posted on hundreds of so called defence webites repeatedly with disparaging user comments.

Just because it is not a DRDO product, and there is no other way to remotely blame any other indian DPSU(like blaming HAL for everything going wrong with MIGs and SUKHOIs),
every one is so official with statements like"The causes are being investigated"
 

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