IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

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I’m curious if the pilot was performing a Pakistan sanctioned maneuver or just being incredibly reckless all on his own accord?

For most ceremonies around the world pilots just do formation flying. Did the Pakistanis really plan to do a high speed, low altitude loop for their ceremony? :facepalm:

What if they crash another F-16 during the actual ceremony? It would be interesting if India launched a large formation of armed aircraft near the line of control while the ceremony was taking place. Imagine the chaos of the Pakistani pilots.
 

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Pakistan Airforce care about its own. Unlike Indian Airforce which Kill its own. Take an examble of Mi-17 crash !
Hey... but you forget... we came in and killed your jihadis. Obviously, your airforce was taking care of itself and not of its job.
Hey, what will you do when you get pictures of the F-16 that was shot down on 27th Feb?
 

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Pakistan Airforce care about its own. Unlike Indian Airforce which Kill its own. Take an examble of Mi-17 crash !
dude really you guys are kidding me let me brush you up some history

Exclusive Friendly fire downs Pakistani F-16; U.S. in a coverup

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/0...Pakistani-F-16-US-in-a-coverup/8251553579200/


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/pakistan’s-long-controversial-love-affair-f-16-fighting-falcon-47682

NAME VICTORIES UNIT COMMENTS

Javed, Amjad 1 14 Squadron PAF 1.


Air-to-Air Victories

Date Time Unit Aircraft Pilot Weapon Victim Airforce Place
29. 4. 1987 14 Sq. F-16A Javed, A. AIM-9 F-16A Block 15S 14 Sq. PAF
Comment:
AIM-9 : AIM-9 Sidewinder, short-range air-to-air missile
PAF : Pakistan Air Force / پاک فِضائیہ
  1. Crashed 29 April 1987 after being accidentally shot down: hit by a Sidewinder fired by another F-16, flown by Squadron Leader Amjad Javed, while engaging enemy over Pakistan-Afghanistan border in North Waziristan. Pilot - Flight Lieutenant Shahid Sikandar Khan - ejected safely.
 

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Man, you are the one who call hidu a traitor, aspwr your logic sam manekshaw must be traitor. And lastly tgese type of actions by our army has shown soon after kargil war too. So by logic,you will call those heros who fought kargil war for india is also a traitor.


Man i will follow the culture of indian army. You are no one to call me a traitor.
LoL I said Dindu Libturds who suck the dick of PorkiShitan are Traitors not normal Hindus and Gen Manekshaw was man of the Past and was also a person who believed the false idea of having peace with the Camel Pee Drinkers which doesn’t work and will only end in Deaths both Indian Soldiers and Civilians and i already explained these points in my previous comment So why don’t you go and re read that straight and not keeping bring up Weak Khangressi era things.

There is nothing to be proud about this incident in the Libturd “Print” video. Indian Army Helping the PorkiShitani Monkey get the Porki ‘s Highest Military Medal was one of the Dumbest things I ever seen in the world. He took the lifes of countless Indian soldiers to keep our territory in the hands Porkis and there Terrorists and this wasn’t even a fucking declared war. He and rest of his unit were Porki infiltrators who crossed through the Line of Control like fucking Porki Terrorists killed Many Indians in the process. Worst of all this helped give the Porkis and Porki Hijada Army another Martyr figure to rally around on. The PorkiShitani Dogs have already wrote countless Propaganda pieces of about this Porki on how he killed hundreds of Weak little Hindus and How he dominated the mountains and striked fear into the hearts of the Indian Army. His death was fully milked by the Porki Hijada Army and helped Many Porki Gernails get out of the Porki Kargil blunder fast.
 
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@Sayaaf After 1 year of balakot, a BBC team went there to take stock of the situation and try talking to residents. They were shocked to know the site is still overwhelmed by ISI and residents not speaking to BBC because they might be picked up for interrogation and maybe prosecuted.

So much for failed bombing. This is bigger coverup than OBL's abbottabad raid.
 

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CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: MAY DAY MAY DAY
ATC: EJECT IMMEDIATELY
CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: WILL CLEAR POPULATION
ATC: C FIRM (confirm?)
ATC: C FIRM
ATC: C FIRM
CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: CLOSE TO JUNGLE
ATC: TIME SHORT
ATC: DROPPING ALTITUDE FAST
ATC: EJECT ASP
CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: الحمداللہ (Praise be to Allah!)
ATC: Griffins 1 .....................................send over



Pakistanis are trying to glorify a major screw by Noman Akram. Apparently this is the conventional of the pilot and ground controllers. There simply would not be enough time to have this lengthy of a conversation. Moreover, the pilot could have aborted the loop by doing a barrel role or just 180 role but he continued anyways. Rubbish propaganda.....the last thing he probably said was ‘0hhh shitttt’!

One of Pakistan’s best pilots, badly miscalculated his altitude, way flying far too fast and over a populated area and did not have correct judgment/training to safely eject.
 

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CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: MAY DAY MAY DAY
ATC: EJECT IMMEDIATELY
CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: WILL CLEAR POPULATION
ATC: C FIRM (confirm?)
ATC: C FIRM
ATC: C FIRM
CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: CLOSE TO JUNGLE
ATC: TIME SHORT
ATC: DROPPING ALTITUDE FAST
ATC: EJECT ASP
CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: الحمداللہ (Praise be to Allah!)
ATC: Griffins 1 .....................................send over



Pakistanis are trying to glorify a major screw by Noman Akram. Apparently this is the conventional of the pilot and ground controllers. There simply would not be enough time to have this lengthy of a conversation. Moreover, the pilot could have aborted the loop by doing a barrel role or just 180 role but he continued anyways. Rubbish propaganda.....the last thing he probably said was ‘0hhh shitttt’!

One of Pakistan’s best pilots, badly miscalculated his altitude, way flying far too fast and over a populated area and did not have correct judgment/training to safely eject.
Lol it sounds like engine failure but everyone knows it was failed loop formation.
 

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CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: MAY DAY MAY DAY
ATC: EJECT IMMEDIATELY
CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: WILL CLEAR POPULATION
ATC: C FIRM (confirm?)
ATC: C FIRM
ATC: C FIRM
CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: CLOSE TO JUNGLE
ATC: TIME SHORT
ATC: DROPPING ALTITUDE FAST
ATC: EJECT ASP
CALL SIGN GRIFFINS: الحمداللہ (Praise be to Allah!)
ATC: Griffins 1 .....................................send over



Pakistanis are trying to glorify a major screw by Noman Akram. Apparently this is the conventional of the pilot and ground controllers. There simply would not be enough time to have this lengthy of a conversation. Moreover, the pilot could have aborted the loop by doing a barrel role or just 180 role but he continued anyways. Rubbish propaganda.....the last thing he probably said was ‘0hhh shitttt’!

One of Pakistan’s best pilots, badly miscalculated his altitude, way flying far too fast and over a populated area and did not have correct judgment/training to safely eject.

Since you are a retarded indian who works in a call center and goes by the name of Dick. and How surprisingly you are not commenting on Indian airforce mid air collision accident. two experienced pilots collided their jets mid air and you are not bad mouthing Indian airforce at all?

and you also didn't know that 2 years ago. American Airforce Elite Thunderbird Experienced Pilot crashed in similar Circumstances due to GLOC. He was pulling similar maneuver and lost his consciousness. ! Fot all the Illiterate bhakts and retards who doesnt know how to do simple google this is for you.

Report: Thunderbirds pilot killed in crash lost consciousness in high-G maneuver
Stephen Losey
October 16, 2018


Thunderbirds pilot Maj. Stephen Del Bagno prepares to board his F-16 Fighting Falcon during a modified ground show practice at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada, Jan. 26. Del Bagno was killed April 4 when his aircraft crashed on the Nevada Test and Training Range during a practice aerial demonstration. (Master Sgt. Christopher Boitz/Air Force)


Thunderbirds pilot Maj. Stephen Del Bagno temporarily lost consciousness during a high G-force maneuver and was incapacitated right before a fatal crash in April.

The Air Force on Tuesday released the report on the investigation into the April 4 crash at the Nevada Test and Training Range near Nellis Air Force Base.

Del Bagno, along with five other elite Thunderbird pilots, was practicing an aerial maneuver called the High Bomb Burst Rejoin, and flew inverted for about 22 seconds at about 5,500 to 5,700 feet above ground level, where he experienced up to negative two G-forces, the report said.

Del Bagno then started a descending half-loop maneuver called the Split-S, reaching a maximum of 8.56 Gs after five seconds, the report said. The extreme G-forces caused him to lose consciousness and be absolutely incapacitated for the next five seconds.

About a second before hitting the ground, the report said he recovered somewhat and started trying to recover his F-16CM, but it was too late. He did not attempt to eject.

The accident investigation board found that the “push-pull effect” of quickly going from -2.06 Gs — or twice the equivalent of standing on one’s head — to 8.56 Gs dramatically lessened his tolerance to G-forces, and substantially contributed to the crash. Those conditions also lessened the effectiveness of his anti-G force straining maneuver.

Del Bagno, whose call sign was “Cajun,” was an experienced F-35 pilot, whose love of flying, enthusiasm and excitement for his first season with the Thunderbirds was apparent to all. In a January video documenting the moment he and other newly minted Thunderbirds received their iconic red flight helmets, Del Bagno called it “a fantastic day.”


His death rocked the Air Force, and especially the Thunderbird community, which grieved his loss. Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson and Chief of Staff Gen. Dave Goldfein were among those who expressed their grief. Fighter jets flew a missing man formation during a memorial service for Del Bagno at his high school in Santa Clarita, California, in April.

The Thunderbirds, known formally as the U.S. Air Force Air Demonstration Squadron, suspended public performances for six weeks after Del Bagno’s loss.

The report said Del Bagno was known as “an ‘inspirational’ leader who was always positive and put others before himself.”

“The merger between his positive personality and pilot skills made him a ‘perfect fit for the Thunderbirds' mission to recruit, retain and inspire,” the report said. “A member of his squadron summed up [Del Bagno] as ‘just a beautiful human being.’”

Del Bagno appeared in good spirits before the flight, the report said, and was current and qualified to fly. He had a reputation for exceptional physical fitness and had carried out many high-G maneuvers successfully in the weeks prior to the mishap.

But the report said that physical fitness does not protect against the physiological effects of negative-Gs, which can widen blood vessels and result in a loss of blood pressure and lowered heart rate. This can increase the danger when a pilot quickly shifts to high G-forces, which tends to pull the blood to the abdomen and lower extremities and away from the brain.


The F-16 was not overdue for any inspections, and there was no indication of any recurring maintenance problems or any mechanical, structural or electrical failure that would have contributed to the crash.

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/...-crash-lost-consciousness-in-high-g-maneuver/

Hold on your horses. I'd rather suggest you think very clearly about what argument you are trying to reason with. I'd just keep my animosity hat away for the sake of this conversation to enlighten your futile attempt of provocation. Now, coming to the point here, when a pilot with more than 3000 hours of flight time break's several rules and restriction imposed its considered not only unprofessional but unethical, putting innocent lives on the line. No wonder USAF pilots consider your flying officers "dangerous". Airshows have a strict policy of flying away from the crowd, keeping altitude within the confinements of the machine you are flying.

F16 is lightweight fighter with T/W ratio greater than 1, but it was designed to be aerodynamically unstable, so expect a computer doing the bidding to make it stable. One doesn't pull close to 10Gs, nose dive with no room of altitude recovery and expect things will be "all sunshine and no rain". Respect the machine, disrespecting it... costs lives.

In contrast, during battle it's certain that mishaps will occur, go turn some pages of history books... Oh wait, when di d your education system portrayed historical truth in the text books of the children fairly? I'd suggest you yourself know the answer.
Here comes another armchair General who didn't know USAF THUNDERBIRD F-16 crashed in similar circumstances when he was truing to do a SPLIT-S Maneuver.
 
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You didn't answered how many sorties your pilots and plane do every year. Just answer this you will get to know about the training level of your pilots. Even single PLAAF pilot defeated your 2-3 jf 17 blunders don't forget that's the same PLAAF which got defeated by Thailand. So again it tells the level of your pilots who are only good in ISPR videos.
one hypothesis for the recent spate of Paki crashes are the continuous CAPs last year which more than likely depleted the airframe life of their frontline jets and with spares depletion, you will see Paki pilots have to put in even less hours than they normally do for training like Sher Afghani. not to forget that they most likely exhausted a good number of AMRAAMs with those CAPs as well and its not like Uncle Sam is gonna give them back for free.

I say every year IAF should go for aggressive CAPs against Fizzleya and run up the bill and cause infighting between TSPAF and TSPA for critical funds.
So Are you conveniently gonna forgot What happened to Indian Airforce last year? How many crashes IAF had to endure??? But obviously Fekus would ignore all the worse things in IAF and point fingers at Pakistani airforce like the paid trolls you are.

10 crashes, 11 aircraft lost, 22 killed — the year of Balakot has been a bloody one for IAF

The latest aircraft the Indian Air Force lost in 2019 is a Su-30 MKI fighter jet that crashed in paddy fields near Tezpur, Assam, Thursday night.
SNEHESH ALEX PHILIP 9 August, 2019 5:20 pm IST
 
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Lol, Bakis losing another F16 and Pilot cause of swift retort. While we have Abhinandan kicking ass in IAF. So Pakis lost 2 frontline advanced fighter and its pilots for a publicity stunt against India.
Ask your Hawk Jet trainer Pilots who have a habit of causing mid air collision. That what is it like to kicking ass of one own self. Better yet Ask Abhinandan whose ass was kicked by an F-16
 

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@Sayaaf After 1 year of balakot, a BBC team went there to take stock of the situation and try talking to residents. They were shocked to know the site is still overwhelmed by ISI and residents not speaking to BBC because they might be picked up for interrogation and maybe prosecuted.

So much for failed bombing. This is bigger coverup than OBL's abbottabad raid.

So, When is Indian Airforce goign to release the evidence of Successful Balakot bombing? LOL. Talk about IAF being the rookies and amateurs who cant bomb right, who collides their jet mid air, who shot down their own helicopters, pilots defying the commands of their Ground controllers and getting shot in enemy territory. The most undisciplined airforce that you got mate. You need to reign in your pilots. !
 

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Shot its own F16 by a wingman and many more lol. That too without a conflict lol.
Are you a retard? That was an active comabt zone and dog fighting was occuring at that time which caused that accident. It was a conflict !
 

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So Are you convienitly gonna forgot What happened to Indian Airforce last year? How many crashes IAF had to endure??? But obviously Fekus would ignore all the worse things in IAF and point fingers at Pakistani airforce like the paid trolls you are.

10 crashes, 11 aircraft lost, 22 killed — the year of Balakot has been a bloody one for IAF

The latest aircraft the Indian Air Force lost in 2019 is a Su-30 MKI fighter jet that crashed in paddy fields near Tezpur, Assam, Thursday night.
SNEHESH ALEX PHILIP 9 August, 2019 5:20 pm IST

Thanks for pointing that out, but the PAF is way ahead in 2020. 4 planes lost in 2.5 months: 1 F-16, 1 Mirage III, 1 F-7 and 1 T-37 killing 3 pilots.

At this rate in one year it will be 20+ planes:biggrin2:

Also since the PAF is 50% the size of the IAF, its equal to the IAF losing 40+ planes in a year!
 

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Lol this inbred has gone back on every claim.
Why did Gayfoora say on 29th Feb 2 days after that the incident the 2nd pilot died? Still under the effect of Afghan opium?
Why didn't Pak Army make a vlog of the insides of the Terrorist Camp the very next day. Easiest way to disprove Indian Claims.
Why didn't they take a pic of the missiles attached to their launchers of Mig21?
Also your pet dog Alan Whatever claimed he only saw burnt out rocket motor and the missile was heavily damaged so how was the numbers so clearly visible in a heavily damaged missile?
Lol took 7 months to show the numbers
Besides when will you teach your best pilot inbreds to fly a loop alone in the sky. Let alone a Surya Kiran stunt with synchronized flying with lots of aircraft . Couldn't do it in a F16 with advanced FBW to prevent these from happening they sure can't do it in a BAE Hawk
Here comes a retard who claims there was 29 FEB in 2019 LOL

All of your points. Retard points I must say I have already replied in last 10-15 pages, If you are not a retard you'd go back to read my replies on all the points you raised

I'm going to reply to several things here because you autistic brain cant comprehend simple logics and common sense


1. How long it take IAF to admit it shot down its Helicopter. 5- 7 months right? Why didn't they admit it right away btw?

2. India has not denied the Serial numbers of all the missiles at all. Pakistan has invited even india to come and inspect the missile themselves

So Why indians are so much retard and illogical that they can't even rebut their enemies through proper proof and logical analysis instead of shitty rhetorics and what not ?

Don't worry about F-16 pilots. Worry about Surya Kiran Pilots who are colliding their jets mid air like an amateurs or Those Mirage 2000 pilots who crashed the Upgraded Mirage right away. Can't trust Indian pilots these days, they can crash anything with simple mistakes
 

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Here comes a retard who claims there was 29 FEB in 2019 LOL

All of your points. Retard points I must say I have already replied in last 10-15 pages, If you are not a retard you'd go back to read my replies on all the points you raised

I'm going to reply to several things here because you autistic brain cant comprehend simple logics and common sense


1. How long it take IAF to admit it shot down its Helicopter. 5- 7 months right? Why didn't they admit it right away btw?

2. India has not denied the Serial numbers of all the missiles at all. Pakistan has invited even india to come and inspect the missile themselves

So Why indians are so much retard and illogical that they can't even rebut their enemies through proper proof and logical analysis instead of shitty rhetorics and what not ?

Don't worry about F-16 pilots. Worry about Surya Kiran Pilots who are colliding their jets mid air like an amateurs or Those Mirage 2000 pilots who crashed the Upgraded Mirage right away. Can't trust Indian pilots these days, they can crash anything with simple mistakes
Isn't one Paki momeen equal to 10 Indians? The F-16 momeen should be worth 100 kaafir pilots man.
 
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