IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[sayareakd]

Tried but images are not very high res.. difficult to distinguish.

yes, been doing it for entire period of time, Pakis are luck. But google could post high res pics.

 

[mist_consecutive]

yes, been doing it for entire period of time, Pakis are luck. But google could post high res pics.

Is it possible that F16 crashed into Mangla Dam Lake? Going by the radar images provided by IAF and where the F16 track vanished, the area seems to be Mangla Dam Area.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

When looking back retrospectively, one gets depressed that how a highly professional and caliber airforce has to clutch at straws against inbred, jihadi airforce.

Reminds me of saying "Jab khuda meherbaan toh ghadha pehelwan"

Paki makes fun of abhinandan while I can almost guarantee that abhinandan will smoke all paki airforce pilots in written test and flying if competed in neutral venue.

An32 pilot was an IIT graduate but inbred gafoora and paki awaam made fun of crash although their aukaat doesn't even compare to pubic hair of pilot. He was flying 40 year old Soviet junk just like abhinandan.

All this led me to the conclusion that we as a society weren't mature enough or too high on secularism and Ghandian coolaid.

IIT and NIT graduated pilots gets beaten up by inbred, Salwar farting, low IQ, good for nothing Abdul all because our politicians were too busy in siphoning off money.

Curse Papatma Gandhi and his vote bank.

Hoping that the defence budget is hiked by 20 Percent... The interim budget in Feb 1 had an increase of only around 7 percent, but that was before pulwama and Feb 27

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

yes, been doing it for entire period of time, Pakis are luck. But google could post high res pics.

On that day a Paki Bell Heli was flying over F 16 crashed airspace. Was its transponder on? Can we retrace that flight ?

True blood boils man , despite having such a huge budget we are flying 40 year old junks while VIPs have their planes replaced heck Italian bar dancer prioritised VIP choppers over IAF , losing gems in such crashes is more depressing than losing them in a battle , i bet IAF guys are boiling with revenge

I don't know how IAF trains but they would rather like missiles to expire in inventory or destroy in crash than firing them. After 50 years of Air Force conflict in Subcontinent, IAF choose to fire one r 73 on 27 Feb and then crashed Mig 21 with 3 intact missiles.

Why weren't we liberal in use of AAMs? We should have fired missiles in LOAL/ Maddog mode. It would have given Abhinandan a window to escape. This SOP needs revision.

 

[sayareakd]

On that day a Paki Bell Heli was flying over F 16 crashed airspace. Was its transponder on? Can we retrace that flight ?

Please try it on paid version of fight radar......................................... if you get the data, please post the location on PM.

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

Please try it on paid version of fight radar......................................... if you get the data, please post the location on PM.

Didn't find any chopper(s) in that area. You and anyone else is encouraged to go through data once to verify i didn't miss any detail. Take 7 day free trial Gold membership and you will not be billed anything for 1st week and cancel before expiry of trial.

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[Deathstar]

Didn't find any chopper(s) in that area. You and anyone else is encouraged to go through data once to verify i didn't miss any detail. Take 7 day free trial Gold membership and you will not be billed anything for 1st week and cancel before expiry of trial.

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Probably transponder was off but there was indeed a video of heli flying

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

Probably transponder was off but there was indeed a video of heli flying

Video or pic won't give source and destination. If transponder is off then we can't do anything but if it's on then we can check if that Bell Heli landed in CMH or was just hovering over F16 wreckage.

 

[sayareakd]

Probably transponder was off but there was indeed a video of heli flying

Flying and location was geo tag. Thanks to small group of Indian guys.

Video showed cell tower which was identified. Its in Charhoi. Cell tower in blue and its shadow in red. If can see gps coordinates at right bottom.

 

[ashdoc]

The Mirage 2000s which bombed balakot were armed with Russian R 73 Air to Air missiles using Israeli head up display .

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/iaf...les-thanks-to-israeli-jugaad-2067318?&tb_cb=1

 

[ashdoc]

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...work-and-wants-buy-israeli-ones-instead-67127

Russian air to air missiles have less range than advertised , so India will have to buy Israeli missiles .

 

[ashdoc]

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/...ia-set-to-acquire-new-russia-armaments/455237

India will continue to buy Russian missiles . X 31 Anti radiation missiles , BVV AE and 400 R 73 missiles .

 

[ashdoc]

http://defencenews.in/article/All-1...ploded-ones-to-be-destroyed-this-month-585983

All 11 glide bombs dropped by PAF missed targets . Yet Pak managed to convince the world media that it had the advantage because they captured Abhinandan .

 

[ezsasa]

http://defencenews.in/article/All-1...ploded-ones-to-be-destroyed-this-month-585983

All 11 glide bombs dropped by PAF missed targets . Yet Pak managed to convince the world media that it had the advantage because they captured Abhinandan .

And let’s not forget pakis were aided by a lot of western OSINT chaps, who drove the narrative in favour of the pakis.

These OSINT chaps use a simple technique of blindly questioning any info that comes from Indian sources, there by suppressing our narrative. On the other hand keep propagating info from paki based sources without verifying it. 95% of OSINT info on indo-pak related issues comes from pak sources, even though there is no such thing as free speech in PoK and Pakistan in general.

This is happening even today inspite of the Twitter ban episode. Here too they managed to sully India’s name even though pakis have been censoring western twitter accounts for months before this incident.

 

[sorcerer]

http://defencenews.in/article/All-1...ploded-ones-to-be-destroyed-this-month-585983

All 11 glide bombs dropped by PAF missed targets . Yet Pak managed to convince the world media that it had the advantage because they captured Abhinandan .

Now the real question is..despite whatever paki said...did their ADVANTAGE pay off in real world?

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

And let’s not forget pakis were aided by a lot of western OSINT chaps, who drove the narrative in favour of the pakis.

These OSINT chaps use a simple technique of blindly questioning any info that comes from Indian sources, there by suppressing our narrative. On the other hand keep propagating info from paki based sources without verifying it. 95% of OSINT info on indo-pak related issues comes from pak sources, even though there is no such thing as free speech in PoK and Pakistan in general.

This is happening even today inspite of the Twitter ban episode. Here too they managed to sully India’s name even though pakis have been censoring western twitter accounts for months before this incident.

Why didn't they question this?


What is the name of pilot that Mujra Gafoora mentioned? I think he was apprehensive about news leaking of a dead pilot and when that's suppressed, he made another U-Turn.

 

[ezsasa]

Why didn't they question this?


What is the name of pilot that Mujra Gafoora mentioned? I think he was apprehensive about news leaking of a dead pilot and when that's suppressed, he made another U-Turn.

Even if we ignore the paki narrative, why would the so called neutral OSINT community just ignore the facts presented by the other side. It just means that they are not neutral, as simple as that.

Another question can also be raised.. once in a while these OSINT chaps report on CFV’s, but they will discuss on why these CFV’s are happening.

There are illegal immigrations in the south of US too, how come Americans don’t use small arms fire and arty where as they are used consistently on western border of India only. Answer is that it’s because the infiltrators on US border don’t carry weapons while coming in and paki infiltrators do and that too under heavy cover fire from paki side.
Our chaps should remind them constantly about this when ever they come across OSINT chaps reporting on indo-pak related news.

End of the day our aim is to force these western OSINT chaps to adopt neutrality. Better to take them on right now, rather than wait for the next incident.

 

[AnantS]

Our chaps should remind them constantly about this when ever they come across OSINT chaps reporting on indo-pak related news.

End of the day our aim is to force these western OSINT chaps to adopt neutrality. Better to take them on right now, rather than wait for the next incident.

What if its by Design? With this what I mean is - these all OSINT Chaps are nothing but real mccoy's or real 50 penny or 1$ per post agents of west. I mean just because they write hip and comprehensible english(unlike most of their distant Chinese brothers from another mother) - why should we presume they are just lonely ordinary folks doing almost 24/7 focused analysis on Indian subcontinent out of hobby? I mean they are just employees - who are there to shape opinion - so that people in and outside India began to question Indian Govt narrative. Remember - opinions by them will also be echoed and amplified by Indian Media when there is a Signal from coalition of deep states(like in recent past).
This is information warfare and India is woefully unprepared

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

Now the real question is..despite whatever paki said...did their ADVANTAGE pay off in real world?

Pakistan's objective is to live another day to destroy india,in that way it worked as what keeps their fragile state alive is their own view of thinking their military is super competent.this is because through the decades the people of pakistan have lost the trust in all types of institutions except for the military,this was facilitated by the military as they got to be in the main players in pak politics and mind and subsequently everything done in pak had to blessed by the military.

The down side to this is that pakistani mind has little to count on in its country other than military which also meshes well with islam as martial quality is the among the few if not only quality they claim they have and also respects.

If the military is humiliated in a way without in the pak peoples mind it would hence make their state very weak as there is not much holding it together but the military.

To put it in summary think of pakistan as an insurgency with a country size pool of people to recruit from.in this case damaging the coolness and ideology of the insurgency is just as if not more damaging to pakistan.pakistan also has no choice as it cannot win against india militarily,economically or any other sphere so they spend most of their resources on insurgency ,trying to promote true islamic values as that is their only means of attack.

The indian state should build up offensive propaganda capability as this causes more damage thammil long 10000 of their soldiers and 10000 paki inzurgents as they don't care and also have more reserves they can recruit from their villages.

 

[ashdoc]

Now the real question is..despite whatever paki said...did their ADVANTAGE pay off in real world?

Infiltration across the LOC has come down significantly after balakot strike . So Pakistanis are wary of Indian striking abilities now. So even if they put on a brave face they actually know they have received a hiding .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...akot-pakistan-terror-camps-1545916-2019-06-10