IAF MiG-21 shoots down Pakistani F-16

[Sayaaf]

We don't blindly believe the Americans or anyone. But please answer my question: is the NYTimes article about
a PAF F-16 shot down by Afghanistan correct ?

If american article of 1987 F-16 shoot down is to be taken at face value. Then believe in this article as well

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/04/did-india-shoot-down-a-pakistani-jet-u-s-count-says-no/

Why to bring abhinandan on TV when IAF chief is confirming he is his senior.
I can show tons of more satellite images which shows target is hit.
And india have a global image of having a PROFESSIONAL ARMY globally. We do exercice with almost all major powers. If india is claiming something it will not be a joke. And all major powers already know what happened.

What was the last time Russia US or Chinese Israel released images from there satellite showing there top secret capabilities?

What were our objectives. 1st to show Pakistan if you run policy to bleed india with thousand cuts we can also make cost for you high.

Removed article 370 besides some randi rona Pakistan have failed to do anything.

Pakistani can believe anything which you like such as 98% of Pakistan public see osama biladen as a hero does this effect the world no.
You can believe you won siachin war. You can believe you won 1965 (what were the gains operation gland slam failed pathetically.)
And in last 1971when you gifted half of the nation to Muslim brothers.

Wars are won on ground not on social media.

IAF chief has no credibility outside India. Nobody is believing IAF word. Not even America, Not even Russia or Israel. Nobody.

While everyone agree with Pakistan that it didnot lost a F-16 JET

Why IAF allowed Female ground controller to come on TV and give out her version? Why not NANDU ? Remember, she was the one shouting flow cold nandu flow cold.

Simply IAF is afraid Abhinandan will spill the beans on TV. Hence not allowing him to come on tv.

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

American counts proved your claim otherwise. Ask Abhinandan or bring him on TV to proof he shot down the F-16. Until then. Your claim will remain laughable.

Americans did U Turn the following day that they didn't count anything. With a long history of Pak's lies and deceit, we are not interested to expose our capabilities just to rub it on you.

Just ask yourself this

> Why was Pak airspace closed for almost 6 months?
> Why was Abhi released in a hurry even when Modi refused to take call from Imran Khan?
> Why no media coverage to Balakot for 43 days?
> Second and third pilot with Gafoor admitting himself second pilot died in CMH.

 

[Sayaaf]

This is the 3 or 4th time this guy has posted RANDI's TV tweet. LOL

Hey listen dumb fuck. Following stringent scrutiny and evidence available IAF has officially given Abinandan the kill of F-16 after he came back. IAF is not operated by Heera Mandi pimps who make things up on Twitter.

So IAF is operated by liars? Who allow women to speak on their behalf on TV interviews instead of letting Abhinandan come forward and recount his story?

No one buying IAF stringent scrutiny and evidence. Not even TRUMP, PUTIN, MACARON or anyone.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

If american article of 1987 F-16 shoot down is to be taken at face value. Then believe in this article as well

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/04/did-india-shoot-down-a-pakistani-jet-u-s-count-says-no/


IAF chief has no credibility outside India. Nobody is believing IAF word. Not even America, Not even Russia or Israel. Nobody.

While everyone agree with Pakistan that it didnot lost a F-16 JET

Why IAF allowed Female ground controller to come on TV and give out her version? Why not NANDU ? Remember, she was the one shouting flow cold nandu flow cold.

Simply IAF is afraid Abhinandan will spill the beans on TV. Hence not allowing him to come on tv.

( credibility of Pakistan.)

India have credibility of 500 billion $ reserve. 3rd biggest ppp and if you will ask from western prospective.

This is the website of US government.
https://www.defense.gov/explore/story/Article/1727445/why-india-is-important-to-us-defense/

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

If american article of 1987 F-16 shoot down is to be taken at face value. Then believe in this article as well

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/04/did-india-shoot-down-a-pakistani-jet-u-s-count-says-no/


IAF chief has no credibility outside India. Nobody is believing IAF word. Not even America, Not even Russia or Israel. Nobody.

While everyone agree with Pakistan that it didnot lost a F-16 JET

Why IAF allowed Female ground controller to come on TV and give out her version? Why not NANDU ? Remember, she was the one shouting flow cold nandu flow cold.

Simply IAF is afraid Abhinandan will spill the beans on TV. Hence not allowing him to come on tv.

US, Russia, Israel, France, Britain, China or rest of EU don't need our or your word on what happened on 26 and 27 feb. They have their multi billion dollars space and security agencies to find out truth themselves. The way Modi is enjoying world respect specially in Gulf and Pakistan getting shunned out gives pretty much idea what happened.

 

[Sayaaf]

Americans did U Turn the following day that they didn't count anything. With a long history of Pak's lies and deceit, we are not interested to expose our capabilities just to rub it on you.

Just ask yourself this

> Why was Pak airspace closed for almost 6 months?
> Why was Abhi released in a hurry even when Modi refused to take call from Imran Khan?
> Why no media coverage to Balakot for 43 days?
> Second and third pilot with Gafoor admitting himself second pilot died in CMH.

Even kid knows the answer of these questions


1. Pak closed airspace to Punish Indian airlines and to remind you what happens when you intrude into Pakistan airspace. Remind me how much Indian airlines had to bear the loss?

2. Abhinandan was released as a gesture of goodwill and to gain upper moral hand And show good heartedness of Pakistani that we are a bigger nation.

3. When Planet labs and other groups released the satellite images showing the structure in intact, why the media coverage was necessary for Balakot ?

Remind me. HAS INDIAN GOVERNMENT ALLOWED ANY INDIAN JOURNALIST TO TAKE PICTURES OF 6 BOMBED SITES ? Allow indian journalists to visit those 6 bombed sites then ask this Question to Pakistan

4.Fog of war. Already explained in my previous posts. When Indian can shot down a helicopter in fog of war mistaking it enemy aircraft. Asif ghafoor can be mistaken as well because 2 army units reported to him that they saw the pilot coming down. Both units saw Abhinandan from different locations.

 

[armyofhind]

American counts proved your claim otherwise. Ask Abhinandan or bring him on TV to proof he shot down the F-16. Until then. Your claim will remain laughable.

Yes... The same american counts which were rejected by the state department.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAQegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw06pfXR15bCCbgFIdKtEeud

Bhai tu tamatar ke liye paise bachane mein lag jaa. Simple logic seems beyond the capabilities of inbred Porkis.

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

No one buying IAF stringent scrutiny and evidence. Not even TRUMP, PUTIN, MACARON or anyone.

LoL, IAF shot down USAF F15s multiple times using Mig21 bison in simulated exercises as long as 15 years ago.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...r-combat-drill-as-us-indian-relations-tighten

The 2004 drill is particularly infamous in that the IAF’s upgraded MiG-21s, known as Bisons, notably carrying Israeli-made Elbit EL/L8222 self-escort jamming pods, were able to repeatedly get the drop on American F-15C/Ds. The improved Soviet-era jets also had the benefit of a small radar cross section and helmet mounted sights that allowed them to fire high-off boresight short-range infrared-seeking dogfighting missiles at the most opportune times.

 

[Sayaaf]

US, Russia, Israel, France, Britain, China or rest of EU don't need our or your word on what happened on 26 and 27 feb. They have their multi billion dollars space and security agencies to find out truth themselves. The way Modi is enjoying world respect specially in Gulf and Pakistan getting shunned out gives pretty much idea what happened.

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/were-indias-airstrikes-in-pakistan-a-strategy-for-public-approval/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...standing-at-indian-bombing-site-idUSKCN1QN00V


So two different Western Satellite Imagery Analysts arriving to same conclusion that nothing were hit. Yet Indians without proof are insisting otherwise.

 

[Sayaaf]

Yes... The same american counts which were rejected by the state department.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAQegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw06pfXR15bCCbgFIdKtEeud

Bhai tu tamatar ke liye paise bachane mein lag jaa. Simple logic seems beyond the capabilities of inbred Porkis.

US Not Aware. US DENYING COUNT HAPPENED. DO you even understand the english ?

 

[Sayaaf]

US 'Very Closely' Following Reports of F-16 Misuse, Asks Pakistan for More Information: State Dept
The US State Department has said that America is seeking more information from Pakistan on the potential misuse of American-made F-16 fighter jets by it against India in violation of the end user agreement.

https://www.news18.com/news/world/u...-for-more-information-state-dept-2057361.html



Indians CANT EVEN MAKEUP THEIR MIND. AT ONE HAND THEY ARE REPORTING THIS AND ON THE OTHER DENYING COUNT HAPPENED.

 

[hit&run]

So IAF is operated by liars? Who allow women to speak on their behalf on TV interviews instead of letting Abhinandan come forward and recount his story?

No one buying IAF stringent scrutiny and evidence. Not even TRUMP, PUTIN, MACARON or anyone.

You have no aukaat to ask our Soldiers to come on TV.

Our soldiers will come and give the brief when it deems fit to them.

Women coming on TV must be a shock and insulting for Pakistani Jahils, not us.

IAF has awarded the kill to him and that is enough for us. We know IAF's professionalism we have seen them taking the loses on their chins. We are not fake nation on survival mode.

TRUMP, PUTIN, MACARONS must have been visiting your Gafoora's Ammi that all Pakistanis know what they all believe or not. Probably you think leaders of these nations are like your troll Prime minister and clown President who will make any sort of comment which includes posting fake videos and pictures of porn stars.LOL

 

[armyofhind]

US Not Aware. US DENYING COUNT HAPPENED. DO you even understand the english ?

Sure so the Pentagon isn't aware of a count of F-16s happening in another country by its own officials.

Everything in the world doesn't run the way your Banana republic of a country does.

Like I said, start collecting money for simple items like tamatar and naan. Pretty soon, you and your jaahil Awam will be scrbling over each other's anuses to get your hands on these things.

 

[Sayaaf]

, “As a matter of policy, the Department does not publicly comment on details of government-to-government agreements on end-use monitoring of US-origin defence articles.”

 

[Sayaaf]

You have no aukaat to ask our Soldiers to come on TV.

Our soldiers will come and give the brief when it deems fit to them.

Women coming on TV must be a shock and insulting for Pakistani Jahils, not us.

IAF has awarded the kill to him and that is enough for us. We know IAF's professionalism we have seen them taking the loses on their chins. We are not fake nation on survival mode.

TRUMP, PUTIN, MACARONS must have been visiting your Gafoora's Ammi that all Pakistanis know what they all believe or not. Probably you think leaders of these nations are like your troll Prime minister and clown President who will make any sort of comment which includes posting fake videos and pictures of porn stars.LOL

So no proof of F-16 kill ? Abhinandan is not alllowed to come on to TV because he is refusing to admit F-16 kill ? That's why IAF in desperation allowed that Female squadron leader to come on TV and claim F-16 kill. Kudos to Abhinandan for not participating in spreading a lie and taking a hit to his professional credibility.

 

[Absolut_Vodka]

1. Pak closed airspace to Punish Indian airlines and to remind you what happens when you intrude into Pakistan airspace. Remind me how much Indian airlines had to bear the loss?

LoL. Pakistan faced even worse damage. Besides that, India can only suspend export of life saving cheap medicines and throw pakistan into lurch.

2. Abhinandan was released as a gesture of goodwill and to gain upper moral hand And show good heartedness of Pakistani that we are a bigger nation.

That's understandable only if there was a request from PM Modi. Only your PM came on TV while having night time blackouts in Karachi and other cities.

3. When Planet labs and other groups released the satellite images showing the structure in intact, why the media coverage was necessary for Balakot ?

Structure was supposed to be intact. Check how spice 2000 works.

Remind me. HAS INDIAN GOVERNMENT ALLOWED ANY INDIAN JOURNALIST TO TAKE PICTURES OF 6 BOMBED SITES ? Allow indian journalists to visit those 6 bombed sites then ask this Question to Pakistan

No request was made by agency and besides that, we are not disallowing journalists to come like PA was doing to journalists at jabba top.

4.Fog of war. Already explained in my previous posts. When Indian can shot down a helicopter in fog of war mistaking it enemy aircraft. Asif ghafoor can be mistaken as well because 2 army units reported to him that they saw the pilot coming down. Both units saw Abhinandan from different locations.

Fog of war doesn't remain for more than few hours. Here your gafoora accepting second pilot dead on 6th March

 

[Sayaaf]

( credibility of Pakistan.)

India have credibility of 500 billion $ reserve. 3rd biggest ppp and if you will ask from western prospective.

This is the website of US government.
https://www.defense.gov/explore/story/Article/1727445/why-india-is-important-to-us-defense/

Yet America didn't believe indian F-16 or Spice 2000 claims. Tsk

 

[armyofhind]

Allow indian journalists to visit those 6 bombed sites then ask this Question to Pakistan

Why didn't your jaahil gernails allow access to Reuters inside the compound for days on end?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/in.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idINKCN1QO26W

Too busy taking out the charred pigs and renovating the place isn't it?


@tarunraju @Dovah
Spam posting over and over on a topic fairly well discussed in the past.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/were-indias-airstrikes-in-pakistan-a-strategy-for-public-approval/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...standing-at-indian-bombing-site-idUSKCN1QN00V


So two different Western Satellite Imagery Analysts arriving to same conclusion that nothing were hit. Yet Indians without proof are insisting otherwise.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...rld/asia/pakistan-hafiz-saeed-arrest.amp.html

Western media always claimed hafiz saeed was behind 26/11 Pakistan never accepted.

Western media also claimed this. In 1965.

Go to indian channels you can find tons of images of holes in the building. And Israeli tech is much better than you Chinese junks lol.

Do you think nations run on prospective of western media?


Doesn't matter how much you try to improve Pakistan image in the world Pakistan will be always a artificial state. And a jihadi breeder.

We don't want to make others believe what we do. We have our strategic interests. We are not Pakistan who tries to show it's capabilities to the world. Our capabilities is known by everyone.
We have a battle harden army in 1999 also we defeated Pakistan even when you had a great strategic advantage.

 

[hit&run]

US 'Very Closely' Following Reports of F-16 Misuse, Asks Pakistan for More Information: State Dept
The US State Department has said that America is seeking more information from Pakistan on the potential misuse of American-made F-16 fighter jets by it against India in violation of the end user agreement.

https://www.news18.com/news/world/u...-for-more-information-state-dept-2057361.html



Indians CANT EVEN MAKEUP THEIR MIND. AT ONE HAND THEY ARE REPORTING THIS AND ON THE OTHER DENYING COUNT HAPPENED.

LOL...

Like I said he is deliberately disjointed. Looks like he is going towards is the natural expiry date on this forum.

Reporting misuse of F-16 to the USA is part of the diplomatic onslaught and making sure you have screwed both ways.

I don't know how it has to do with counting your fleet which never happened. A paid OpEd by ISI pimp on some ragtag Tabloid will make your lie stand out more. LOL. The royal slap came when LM officially denied such counting.