IAF Mi-17V5 Crashed Near Coonoor (Tamil Nadu)-CDS Onboard

[Brood Father]

Delay in appointing new CDS after Gen. Rawat—Is it about passing the loyalty test?

The delay in announcing the next CDS could also be due to the political leadership undertaking a deep search among all eligible retired and serving officers.

theprint.in

Print has started talking trash again.

According to this chootiya ..
Selecting CDS that too in adhoc circumstances = Buying vegetables from DMart

It's been only a week since the tragedy and the usual footage hungry retired chootiyas are out in open to get some browny points ..As if they liked current CDS to begin with ..lol to them

Also there is a Vice CDS who has been incharge since the tragedy..I am not sure whether the Print or this idiot is aware of this ..

CDS is a very important post which has many layers to it ..It cannot be given to any one just because of seniority .
There is a huge possiblity that it is decided at the CCS level and the person is already aware but then there is a lot of process that has to happen in background ..For instance if Narvane has been chosen then there is a vacant COAS post that has to be accounted for

These glory hungry oldies are pissed off because unlike earlier regimes these fuckers don't even know what the next step of this government will be ..

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Delay in appointing new CDS after Gen. Rawat—Is it about passing the loyalty test?

The delay in announcing the next CDS could also be due to the political leadership undertaking a deep search among all eligible retired and serving officers.

theprint.in

Print has started talking trash again.

Aren't all 4 star appointments done by the political leadership after looking at who will be suitable for them?

 

[Jimih]

CDS is a very important post which has many layers to it ..It cannot be given to any one just because of seniority .
There is a huge possiblity that it is decided at the CCS level and the person is already aware but then there is a lot of process that has to happen in background ..For instance if Narvane has been chosen then there is a vacant COAS post that has to be accounted for

IMO, this situation could have been avoided if there were more 4 Star officers in the Indian Armed Forces.

For eg, there are currently 43 active-duty 4 Star officers in the uniformed services of the United States.

Here is the List of active duty United States 4-star officers

List of active duty United States four-star officers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

IMHO all GOC-in-C along with Vice Chief should have been a 4-star post in the Indian Army and same with the other two Uniformed Services.

 

[gbarik5]

IMO, this situation could have been avoided if there were more 4 Star officers in the Indian Armed Forces.

For eg, there are currently 43 active-duty 4 Star officers in the uniformed services of the United States.

Here is the List of active duty United States 4-star officers

List of active duty United States four-star officers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

IMHO all GOC-in-C along with Vice Chief should have been a 4-star post in the Indian Army and same with the other two Uniformed Services.

In Indian military seniority is a big issue. And the service chiefs have zero operational control in US armed forces . But here it's the opposite. Also I believe Indian military should have more four star general. Why The vice CDS isn't a four star? I heard the theater commanders will be four stars. Is it true?

 

[Covfefe]

Don't know of this has been posted before.

 

[Jimih]

Why The vice CDS isn't a four star? I heard the theater commanders will be four stars. Is it true?

I believe the move for more 4 star positions will be vetoed by Indian Military Itself.

IMO Theatre Commanders should be a 4 star position.

 

[indiatester]

IMO, this situation could have been avoided if there were more 4 Star officers in the Indian Armed Forces.

For eg, there are currently 43 active-duty 4 Star officers in the uniformed services of the United States.

Here is the List of active duty United States 4-star officers

List of active duty United States four-star officers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

IMHO all GOC-in-C along with Vice Chief should have been a 4-star post in the Indian Army and same with the other two Uniformed Services.

I believe thats because the bureaucracy does not want more military officers of the same stature as Def Secy.
Having more 4*'s will ensure that more able officers also make it longer in the forces leading to better knowledge pool.

 

[gbarik5]

I believe the move for more 4 star positions will be vetoed by Indian Military Itself.

IMO Theatre Commanders should be a 4 star position.

In 1974 the air chief threatened to resign if CDS post was created! ! If they go ahead with a four star theatre commander, there will be strong opposition from the military. And the Bureaucracy obstacle part is very much true.

 

[JBH22]

In 1974 the air chief threatened to resign if CDS post was created! ! If they go ahead with a four star theatre commander, their will be strong opposition from the military. And the Bureaucracy obstacle part is very much true.

That's why you have PM if with a strong mandate he has the ability to bulldoze babu and keep military clique under control. Primary objective is to completed what Gen Bira started.

 

[Jimih]

In 1974 the air chief threatened to resign if CDS post was created! ! If they go ahead with a four star theatre commander, their will be strong opposition from the military. And the Bureaucracy obstacle part is very much true.

IMHO, I think there is a need for some reforms within Indian Armed Forces.

Somewhere I read that the whole Kashmir and Northern Command region will not come under any 'Theater'. The reason was given that it will affect the COIN ops.

Our Military just wants to remain happy with CI ops. While in reality it should be delegated to CAPFs and Local Police fully.

The next war will probably in that sector but GoI don't want theaterisation there.

 

[gbarik5]

IMHO, I think there is a need for some reforms within Indian Armed Forces.

Somewhere I read that the whole Kashmir and Northern Command region will not come under any 'Theater'. The reason was given that it will efect the COIN ops.

That's strange.

Our Military just wants to remain happy with CI ops. While in reality it should be delegated to CAPFs and Local Police fully.

The next war will probably in that sector but GoI don't want theaterisation there.

A reform with Nichols-Goldwater level of.

I agree here. Army should quit counter insurgency operation. Isn't what Pakistan wants? "Indian Army bogged down in Kashmir Valley " !!

 

[Jimih]

A reform with Nichols-Goldwater level of.

I agree here. Army should quit counter insurgency operation. Isn't what Pakistan wants? "Indian Army bogged down in Kashmir Valley " !!

But the question is, can our CAPFs and JK police will be able to handle the Pakistani tangos all by themselves? Are their training adequate?

RR was raised for this very reason only, the situation was completely going out of hands of GoI in the valley.

 

[gbarik5]

But the question is, can our CAPFs and JK police will be able to handle the Pakistani tangos all by themselves? Are their training adequate?

They have to. For this purpose if the militarization of CAPFs is required, make it happen.

RR was raised for this very reason only, the situation was completely going out of hands of GoI in the valley.

But this time we have to change our strategies.

 

[captscooby81]

First for 20 years there was no CDS at all after Kargil committee recommended it they created IDS but never created CDS post . Now once it was created they cried saying one service chief can't dictate term to other services bla bla and one among equals stories . they mocked CDS till his death as Mungeri and all shit words . Now they are like odi baba we can't have such a crucial post vacant for 7 days . Funny how would have the tri services functioned before Dec 2019 ? same can continue now also not just for days for weeks and even possibly months if the govt wanted to do without a CDS in office.

IDS has been doing the job of CDS since many years all they lacked was one person at the helm as commanding authority which was fulfilled with CDS post .

VCDS can very much run the show in DMA if VCOAS can do it in Army .

Last few days i read some articles which were paying tribute to Gen Rawat and i realised his appointment of COAS superseding 2 more senior officers had all the blessings of Gen Victor Kilo Singh than Mudi or Dobal sahab . VK has trusted Bira with K Valley CT situation and had posted him not once but twice in the region . So when VK left office and the next two post were taken by people who the previous chief felt are not so honest one they waited and moved Gen Rawat up the order when time came .

If i am not surprised we can very will see Next CDS even coming from 3* . or from other Tri services beyond army

According to this chootiya ..
Selecting CDS that too in adhoc circumstances = Buying vegetables from DMart

It's been only a week since the tragedy and the usual footage hungry retired chootiyas are out in open to get some browny points ..As if they liked current CDS to begin with ..lol to them

Also there is a Vice CDS who has been incharge since the tragedy..I am not sure whether the Print or this idiot is aware of this ..

CDS is a very important post which has many layers to it ..It cannot be given to any one just because of seniority .
There is a huge possiblity that it is decided at the CCS level and the person is already aware but then there is a lot of process that has to happen in background ..For instance if Narvane has been chosen then there is a vacant COAS post that has to be accounted for

These glory hungry oldies are pissed off because unlike earlier regimes these fuckers don't even know what the next step of this government will be ..

 

[Vamsi]

I heard the theater commanders will be four stars. Is it true?

After theater commands , service chiefs will have less control over their services when compared as of now, so a 3* officer will have more control than a 4* officer, hence I think that theatre commanders should also be 4* ranks officers. In Print article I read that theatre commanders may be either a 3* or possibly 4* , but not sure

 

[Super falcon]

Very sensible reason of crash

Bipin rawat was most decorated general and professionaly i liked him most decent person visionary military men i do tthink so nor indians or pak have powrr to kill iron man but maybe fault in aircraft or pilot error brought crash

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Very sensible reason of crash

Bipin rawat was most decorated general and professionaly i liked him most decent person visionary military men i do tthink so nor indians or pak have powrr to kill iron man but maybe fault in aircraft or pilot error brought crash

@1:07, the entire clip is from Syria

 

[Super falcon]

@1:07, the entire clip is from Syria

Dident know that but there was footage in tv also i saw bipin helo catched fire

 

[Super falcon]

What do u think would b Ed the reason

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

What do u think would b Ed the reason

Most likely since it was a valley area, a stratus cloud would have appeared in front of the helicopter, blinding it temporarily. At that moment the pilots would have tried to turn/bank the heli and since they couldn't see what's around them, they main rotor may have ended up hitting a tree or something. And upon crashing down it would have caught fire. But again this is a guess, may not be true.