HariPrasad-1
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HAL did this HAWK trainer. Its wings are modify to improve its performance by a great deal.
Hindustan Trainer HTT-40
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It is done with the help of OEM not alone by HAL. HAL can can do so only with the help of Sukhoi because modification requires a lot of changes and revalidation of the whole platform again.See the slipped dead lines after IAF introduce a lot of changes to LCA though we are the OEM. Imagine what it may require for MKI. If it was that easy copy masters of the world, Chinese should have done the composite sukhoi by now.
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Been about a year since last updates for this project. After initial swiftness and impressive performance not much has progressed recently....
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Yes. It was last September they talked about stall and spin test. Still no news on that. Hopefully it don't turn into another sitara.
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HAL is slow in when it comes to testing new aircrafts. The babus sitting in AC Rooms of HAL needs some real whopping.
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HTT-40 has conducted a successful two-turn spin and recovery today.
Super Mushak is MFI-17 supporter. Whereas HTT-40 is a completely new indigenous design and product sans engine.
Performance wise, HTT-40 prototype is a better performer then Mushak. Moreover Mushak is both for commercial and military use, whereas HTT-40 is solely designed with air force in mind.
sorry for slightly digressing from the main topic
but does the saab doesnt have production line for the mushak or mfi 17 that's why pac is getting export order??
because in our case we cant /dont export su /mig/t 90/72 although we too license manufacture
otoh they are trying to export mushak/fc 1 /al khalid and all these are nothing but the licensed product
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There is a difference between two products...
Our T-72s T-90, MiGs and Su-30MKIs are not just home built, but we've tweaked to some extent, they're also used by Russians too. On the other hand China didn't want Al-Khilad or JF-17. Thus any export of these two vehicles in any form is more than welcomed.
Thus I rest my case.
No.... Pakistan acquired the sole production right of MFI- Supporter.
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HAL HTT 40 trainer begins spin testing phase of aircraft development
https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/htt-40-spin-testing/
https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/htt-40-spin-testing/
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If this cant be inducted soon maybe its time to accept the Pilatus as the only BTT.
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Pilatus has been burned because of typical UPA corruption.
HTT40 is close enough to acceptance.
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Pilatus cannot be armed as per agreement. Unbelievably, India and IAF agreed to accept such an agreement instead io looking for alternatives. Unfortunately, a former IAF chief lobbied for Pilatus by fudging up prices against HTT - 40.
HTT 40 can be and will be armed with bombs, rockets, guns and short range air to air missiles - a look at Brazilian Super Tucanos will help understand it's full potential. HTT 40 will be for coin operations and as light attack aircraft in permissive environments.
Coastguard can use it for SAR operations as well as intercepting and engaging small boats. CRPF can use it in Naxal belt and other insurgent-hit areas. In all of these operations, the Pulatus will be useless. It's purchase is an absolute disgrace and blatant waste if taxpayers' money.
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IAF block on indigenous HTT-40 trainer aircraft keeps door open for Swiss trainers – Indian Defence Research Wing
5-6 minutes
SOURCE: Ajai Shukla / Business Standard
The Indian Air Force has refused to issue a Request for Proposals (RFP) for the Hindustan Turbo Trainer – 40 (HTT-40) basic trainer aircraft. An RFP is essential for Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) to release money to develop the engine that will power the Indian-designed trainer.
HAL has to pay Rs 180 crore to US firm Honeywell, to upgrade its TPE-331-12B engine that will power 106 HTT-40 trainers needed by the Indian military. HAL is willing to pay, but the company’s board insists that the money be disbursed only after the IAF demonstrates its intention to procure the HTT-40 – through an RFP, which is the first stage of a purchase.
But the IAF says it will only issue an RFP after the HTT-40 completes spin trials. In this critical trial, the test pilot deliberately throws his aircraft into a spin. After it has spun six times around its axis, he must recover the aircraft into level flight.
Since its first flight in 2015, the HTT-40 has consistently surpassed IAF performance benchmarks in flight-testing. In on-going spin trials the trainer has incrementally demonstrated the ability to recover from three spins.
At a high-level meeting in the MoD, chaired by the defence production secretary (Secretary DP) and attended by top IAF officers, HAL presented videos of the trainer recovering from three spins. The project managers pointed out that recovering from six spins is a matter of incremental testing.
The IAF had initially committed to issuing the RFP after the HTT-40’s first flight. When it flew in 2015, the IAF set a new benchmark of stall testing. When that was completed in 2017, the benchmark was changed to the first spin test. In late 2018, after the HTT-40 demonstrated it could recover from a spin, the IAF said it would issue an RFP only after the HTT-40 demonstrated it could recover from six spins.
HAL is concerned about production delays that could arise. An immediate RFP would allow HAL to pay Honeywell to begin the two-year process of replacing the TPE-331-12B engine’s old “electronic engine controller” (EEC) with a “full authority digital engine controller” (FADEC). Delaying payment would result in the FADEC-equipped engine being unavailable when the HTT-40 goes into production.
A senior HAL official points out they have asked the IAF neither for payment, nor a contract. An RFP amounts to only an IAF statement of interest, without financial liabilities. But it is essential for the HAL board to clear payments to Honeywell.
With the HTT-40 programme thus mired, the IAF is demanding that 38 Pilatus PC-7 Mark II trainer aircraft be imported from Switzerland, to supplement 75 Pilatus trainers contracted in 2012 in a deal that was clouded by controversy.
Contacted for comments, the IAF states: “The [HTT-40] has just entered the spin phase of trials… As per DPP an RFP can be issued only after design and development completion/certification by HAL followed by IAF flight trials.” The air force points out that there was an audit objection when an RFP was issued for the Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) before spin trials were completed.
In fact, in the IJT case, the IAF went far beyond placing an RFP. It contracted for and actually paid HAL for constructing a significant number of IJTs. HAL points out that placing an RFP for the HTT-40 involves no financial liability.
Furthermore, in December 2017, the IAF placed an RFP for the Tejas Mark 1A. This is an advanced version of the current fighter that exists only on the drawing board and is nowhere near flight-testing or completion.
The IAF has relentlessly opposed the HTT-40 since the start of the programme, opting instead for importing the Swiss Pilatus. Business Standard reported (July 29, 2013, “Indian Air Force at war with Hindustan Aeronautics; wants to import, not build, a trainer”) that the IAF chief wrote a personal letter to the defence minister, incorrectly attributing an unduly high price to the HTT-40, compared to the Swiss trainer. The defence minister allowed the indigenous programme to continue.
In 2009, when a global tender was floated to buy 75 trainer aircraft, the IAF diluted the existing performance benchmarks, allowing the Pilatus PC-7 Mark II trainer into the contract (July 30, 2013, “Air Force diluted at least twelve benchmarks for trainer aircraft, allowing Pilatus into the contract”).
But the HTT-40 still stands in the way of import. The defence procurement procedure (DPP) mandates the highest procurement priority for “Indian designed, developed and manufactured (IDDM)” equipment – a category the HTT-40 falls in. The MoD and HAL remain committed to backing the HTT-40, which is likely to complete testing by December, according to HAL officials.
Currently, approval exists for buying 106 HTT-40 trainers. If the IAF is permitted to import 38 Pilatus trainers, the number of indigenous trainers will fall to 68 aircraft.
5-6 minutes
SOURCE: Ajai Shukla / Business Standard
The Indian Air Force has refused to issue a Request for Proposals (RFP) for the Hindustan Turbo Trainer – 40 (HTT-40) basic trainer aircraft. An RFP is essential for Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) to release money to develop the engine that will power the Indian-designed trainer.
HAL has to pay Rs 180 crore to US firm Honeywell, to upgrade its TPE-331-12B engine that will power 106 HTT-40 trainers needed by the Indian military. HAL is willing to pay, but the company’s board insists that the money be disbursed only after the IAF demonstrates its intention to procure the HTT-40 – through an RFP, which is the first stage of a purchase.
But the IAF says it will only issue an RFP after the HTT-40 completes spin trials. In this critical trial, the test pilot deliberately throws his aircraft into a spin. After it has spun six times around its axis, he must recover the aircraft into level flight.
Since its first flight in 2015, the HTT-40 has consistently surpassed IAF performance benchmarks in flight-testing. In on-going spin trials the trainer has incrementally demonstrated the ability to recover from three spins.
At a high-level meeting in the MoD, chaired by the defence production secretary (Secretary DP) and attended by top IAF officers, HAL presented videos of the trainer recovering from three spins. The project managers pointed out that recovering from six spins is a matter of incremental testing.
The IAF had initially committed to issuing the RFP after the HTT-40’s first flight. When it flew in 2015, the IAF set a new benchmark of stall testing. When that was completed in 2017, the benchmark was changed to the first spin test. In late 2018, after the HTT-40 demonstrated it could recover from a spin, the IAF said it would issue an RFP only after the HTT-40 demonstrated it could recover from six spins.
HAL is concerned about production delays that could arise. An immediate RFP would allow HAL to pay Honeywell to begin the two-year process of replacing the TPE-331-12B engine’s old “electronic engine controller” (EEC) with a “full authority digital engine controller” (FADEC). Delaying payment would result in the FADEC-equipped engine being unavailable when the HTT-40 goes into production.
A senior HAL official points out they have asked the IAF neither for payment, nor a contract. An RFP amounts to only an IAF statement of interest, without financial liabilities. But it is essential for the HAL board to clear payments to Honeywell.
With the HTT-40 programme thus mired, the IAF is demanding that 38 Pilatus PC-7 Mark II trainer aircraft be imported from Switzerland, to supplement 75 Pilatus trainers contracted in 2012 in a deal that was clouded by controversy.
Contacted for comments, the IAF states: “The [HTT-40] has just entered the spin phase of trials… As per DPP an RFP can be issued only after design and development completion/certification by HAL followed by IAF flight trials.” The air force points out that there was an audit objection when an RFP was issued for the Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) before spin trials were completed.
In fact, in the IJT case, the IAF went far beyond placing an RFP. It contracted for and actually paid HAL for constructing a significant number of IJTs. HAL points out that placing an RFP for the HTT-40 involves no financial liability.
Furthermore, in December 2017, the IAF placed an RFP for the Tejas Mark 1A. This is an advanced version of the current fighter that exists only on the drawing board and is nowhere near flight-testing or completion.
The IAF has relentlessly opposed the HTT-40 since the start of the programme, opting instead for importing the Swiss Pilatus. Business Standard reported (July 29, 2013, “Indian Air Force at war with Hindustan Aeronautics; wants to import, not build, a trainer”) that the IAF chief wrote a personal letter to the defence minister, incorrectly attributing an unduly high price to the HTT-40, compared to the Swiss trainer. The defence minister allowed the indigenous programme to continue.
In 2009, when a global tender was floated to buy 75 trainer aircraft, the IAF diluted the existing performance benchmarks, allowing the Pilatus PC-7 Mark II trainer into the contract (July 30, 2013, “Air Force diluted at least twelve benchmarks for trainer aircraft, allowing Pilatus into the contract”).
But the HTT-40 still stands in the way of import. The defence procurement procedure (DPP) mandates the highest procurement priority for “Indian designed, developed and manufactured (IDDM)” equipment – a category the HTT-40 falls in. The MoD and HAL remain committed to backing the HTT-40, which is likely to complete testing by December, according to HAL officials.
Currently, approval exists for buying 106 HTT-40 trainers. If the IAF is permitted to import 38 Pilatus trainers, the number of indigenous trainers will fall to 68 aircraft.
Not good for indigenous products.
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CBI books alleged arms dealer Sanjay Bhandari, others in Pilatus aircraft deal
PTI | Updated: Jun 22, 2019, 21:12 IST
HIGHLIGHTS
Bhandari
and others in connection with the alleged corruption in the Rs 2895 crore deal of 75 Pilatus basic trainer aircraft for the
Indian Air Force
in 2009, officials said Saturday.
The agency has carried out searches at nine locations in Delhi-NCR including at the residence and office of
Bhandari
, and the office of Pilatus, they said.
The action comes after findings of a three-year-old inquiry by the CBI showed a prima facie case of corruption against the accused.
The agency has also booked unidentified officials of the Indian Air Force, the Defence Ministry and Switzerland-based
Pilatus Aircraft
Limited in the case, they said.
The Swiss company was one of the bidders for the contract floated in 2009, they said.
The CBI has alleged that it had entered into a criminal conspiracy with Bhandari and Bimal Sareen, both directors of Offset India Solutions Private Limited, and dishonestly and fraudulently signed a Service Provider Agreement with
Bhandarii inJune 2010, which was in violation of the Defence Procurement Procedure, 2008.
It was allegedly done to get the contract for supply of 75 basic Trainer Aircraft to the Indian Air Force.
The agency has alleged that the company made a payment of CHF 1,000,000 in the account of Offset India Solution Private Limited with the Standard Chartered
Bank, New Delhi in two tranches in August and October, 2010.
In addition, Rs 350 crore was also transferred in Swiss Francs from 2011 to 2015 in the bank accounts of Dubai-based Offset India Solutions FZC, also belonging to Bhandarii Pilatus dishonestly and fraudulently signed a Pre- Contract Integrity Pact on November 12, 2010 with the Defence Ministry, deliberately concealing the facts about service provider agreement with Bhandari the agency alleged
The inquiry showed that Pilatus allegedly concealed payments made to Bhandari
's companies in India and Dubai, they said.
It is suspected that the commission amount was allegedly paid to influence the officials of the IAF and the MoD and Government of India associated with the procurement, they said.
Pilatus bagged the contract on May 24, 2012 for Rs 2895.63 crore.
"Offset India Solutions Pvt Ltd. and other Indian companies of Bhandari and his wife Sonia Bhandari received Rs 25.5 crore during June, 2012 to March, 2015 in lieu of cash provided by Bhandarif various companies of Deepak Aggarwal," it said
Bhandari allegedly routed money through purchase of various companies and cash transactions involving Aggarwal and one Himanshu Verma, it alleged.
"There is a strong suspicion that the aforementioned huge cash amount were the part of the commission amounts paid by Pilatus Aircrafts Limited to Bhandarit obtain the contract, it alleged.
Besides Bhandari, the CBI has also booked his companies Offset India Solutions Pvt. Ltd, Offset India Solutions FZC, UAE, Aggarwal, Verma, Sareen and unknown others for criminal conspiracy, cheating and provisions of Prevention of Corruption Act, they said
PTI | Updated: Jun 22, 2019, 21:12 IST
HIGHLIGHTS
- CBI has carried out searches at nine locations in Delhi-NCR including at the residence and office of Bhandari, and the office of Pilatus
- The agency has also booked unidentified officials of the Indian Air Force, the Defence Ministry and Switzerland-based Pilatus Aircraft Limited in the case
Bhandari
and others in connection with the alleged corruption in the Rs 2895 crore deal of 75 Pilatus basic trainer aircraft for the
Indian Air Force
in 2009, officials said Saturday.
The agency has carried out searches at nine locations in Delhi-NCR including at the residence and office of
Bhandari
, and the office of Pilatus, they said.
The action comes after findings of a three-year-old inquiry by the CBI showed a prima facie case of corruption against the accused.
The agency has also booked unidentified officials of the Indian Air Force, the Defence Ministry and Switzerland-based
Pilatus Aircraft
Limited in the case, they said.
The Swiss company was one of the bidders for the contract floated in 2009, they said.
The CBI has alleged that it had entered into a criminal conspiracy with Bhandari and Bimal Sareen, both directors of Offset India Solutions Private Limited, and dishonestly and fraudulently signed a Service Provider Agreement with
Bhandarii inJune 2010, which was in violation of the Defence Procurement Procedure, 2008.
It was allegedly done to get the contract for supply of 75 basic Trainer Aircraft to the Indian Air Force.
The agency has alleged that the company made a payment of CHF 1,000,000 in the account of Offset India Solution Private Limited with the Standard Chartered
Bank, New Delhi in two tranches in August and October, 2010.
In addition, Rs 350 crore was also transferred in Swiss Francs from 2011 to 2015 in the bank accounts of Dubai-based Offset India Solutions FZC, also belonging to Bhandarii Pilatus dishonestly and fraudulently signed a Pre- Contract Integrity Pact on November 12, 2010 with the Defence Ministry, deliberately concealing the facts about service provider agreement with Bhandari the agency alleged
The inquiry showed that Pilatus allegedly concealed payments made to Bhandari
's companies in India and Dubai, they said.
It is suspected that the commission amount was allegedly paid to influence the officials of the IAF and the MoD and Government of India associated with the procurement, they said.
Pilatus bagged the contract on May 24, 2012 for Rs 2895.63 crore.
"Offset India Solutions Pvt Ltd. and other Indian companies of Bhandari and his wife Sonia Bhandari received Rs 25.5 crore during June, 2012 to March, 2015 in lieu of cash provided by Bhandarif various companies of Deepak Aggarwal," it said
Bhandari allegedly routed money through purchase of various companies and cash transactions involving Aggarwal and one Himanshu Verma, it alleged.
"There is a strong suspicion that the aforementioned huge cash amount were the part of the commission amounts paid by Pilatus Aircrafts Limited to Bhandarit obtain the contract, it alleged.
Besides Bhandari, the CBI has also booked his companies Offset India Solutions Pvt. Ltd, Offset India Solutions FZC, UAE, Aggarwal, Verma, Sareen and unknown others for criminal conspiracy, cheating and provisions of Prevention of Corruption Act, they said
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Very good . Lock vadra is jail . Ban Pilatus forever and order htt-40CBI books alleged arms dealer Sanjay Bhandari, others in Pilatus aircraft deal
PTI | Updated: Jun 22, 2019, 21:12 IST
HIGHLIGHTS
NEW DELHI: The CBI has booked controversial arms dealer Sanjay
- CBI has carried out searches at nine locations in Delhi-NCR including at the residence and office of Bhandari, and the office of Pilatus
- The agency has also booked unidentified officials of the Indian Air Force, the Defence Ministry and Switzerland-based Pilatus Aircraft Limited in the case
Bhandari
and others in connection with the alleged corruption in the Rs 2895 crore deal of 75 Pilatus basic trainer aircraft for the
Indian Air Force
in 2009, officials said Saturday.
The agency has carried out searches at nine locations in Delhi-NCR including at the residence and office of
Bhandari
, and the office of Pilatus, they said.
The action comes after findings of a three-year-old inquiry by the CBI showed a prima facie case of corruption against the accused.
The agency has also booked unidentified officials of the Indian Air Force, the Defence Ministry and Switzerland-based
Pilatus Aircraft
Limited in the case, they said.
The Swiss company was one of the bidders for the contract floated in 2009, they said.
The CBI has alleged that it had entered into a criminal conspiracy with Bhandari and Bimal Sareen, both directors of Offset India Solutions Private Limited, and dishonestly and fraudulently signed a Service Provider Agreement with
Bhandarii inJune 2010, which was in violation of the Defence Procurement Procedure, 2008.
It was allegedly done to get the contract for supply of 75 basic Trainer Aircraft to the Indian Air Force.
The agency has alleged that the company made a payment of CHF 1,000,000 in the account of Offset India Solution Private Limited with the Standard Chartered
Bank, New Delhi in two tranches in August and October, 2010.
In addition, Rs 350 crore was also transferred in Swiss Francs from 2011 to 2015 in the bank accounts of Dubai-based Offset India Solutions FZC, also belonging to Bhandarii Pilatus dishonestly and fraudulently signed a Pre- Contract Integrity Pact on November 12, 2010 with the Defence Ministry, deliberately concealing the facts about service provider agreement with Bhandari the agency alleged
The inquiry showed that Pilatus allegedly concealed payments made to Bhandari
's companies in India and Dubai, they said.
It is suspected that the commission amount was allegedly paid to influence the officials of the IAF and the MoD and Government of India associated with the procurement, they said.
Pilatus bagged the contract on May 24, 2012 for Rs 2895.63 crore.
"Offset India Solutions Pvt Ltd. and other Indian companies of Bhandari and his wife Sonia Bhandari received Rs 25.5 crore during June, 2012 to March, 2015 in lieu of cash provided by Bhandarif various companies of Deepak Aggarwal," it said
Bhandari allegedly routed money through purchase of various companies and cash transactions involving Aggarwal and one Himanshu Verma, it alleged.
"There is a strong suspicion that the aforementioned huge cash amount were the part of the commission amounts paid by Pilatus Aircrafts Limited to Bhandarit obtain the contract, it alleged.
Besides Bhandari, the CBI has also booked his companies Offset India Solutions Pvt. Ltd, Offset India Solutions FZC, UAE, Aggarwal, Verma, Sareen and unknown others for criminal conspiracy, cheating and provisions of Prevention of Corruption Act, they said
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