Hindustan Trainer HTT-40

[darshan978]

Not financially since the helicopter, trainer and LCA orders are firm. But they have to adjust to the political shift of the NDA government, that at least appears to favour private Indian industry, so HAL needs to be more competitive for the future. Outsourcing production part is one of the obvious goals, selling shares of the company (around 10%) to be less dependent on government funding, is another one and there are long term goals to expand in other areas of the aviation field as well.
However, they got several blows in the last few years too, the failure of IJT, MTA cancellation, Avro replacement shifted to private industry and the delays of FGFA, which now threatens the MKI production facilities, that initially was meant to directly switch to FGFA.

But at the end of the day, they will remain under government control and dependent on them.

Why dont hal become like privet company? They should fund thier own reserch and development

 

[Chinmoy]

Why dont hal become like privet company? They should fund thier own reserch and development

Russia asked for around 1300Crore INR to modily MKI to fire Brahmos. HAL did it in 80 Crore budget where they had a profit margin of 0. Now just imagine if it had gone any private entity way, how much we had to provide or how long we had to wait.

 

[tejas warrior]

HAL Holds Global Vendors’ Meet.

Looks to produce 100 HTT-40

Efforts on to achieve basic certification of LUH by mid-2018.

 

[Sancho]

Why dont hal become like privet company? They should fund thier own reserch and development

Because they are owned by the government and wound need to be sold off completely, which is not going to happen, because the government needs some PSUs to produce even financially unattractive projects.
They can fund their own projects as HTT40, but need government approval and doesn't have the financial means as privat players of course.

 

[Sancho]

Russia asked for around 1300Crore INR to modily MKI to fire Brahmos. HAL did it in 80 Crore budget where they had a profit margin of 0. Now just imagine if it had gone any private entity way, how much we had to provide or how long we had to wait.

What's often forgotten as well, is that HAL is able to modify MKIs or Jags on their own, because they gained from ToT of the licence production, which leads to the ability to make own upgrades later. The 75% indigenous content, are not bad at all and in fact are at the same level as LCA today. So we might downplay the ToT because it didn't resulted being able to develop similar on our own, but it does make us less dependent.

 

[rudresh]

What's often forgotten as well, is that HAL is able to modify MKIs or Jags on their own, because they gained from ToT of the licence production, which leads to the ability to make own upgrades later. The 75% indigenous content, are not bad at all and in fact are at the same level as LCA today. So we might downplay the ToT because it didn't resulted being able to develop similar on our own, but it does make us less dependent.

I don't think HAL can completely modify Su30-mki if they can they could have modified the airframe and could have shaved off many tonnes which would have been fantastic. They can modify here and there any major modification needs to the design data of su-30 and testing for its approval from OEM.

 

[Steven Rogers]

I don't think HAL can completely modify Su30-mki if they can they could have modified the airframe and could have shaved off many tonnes which would have been fantastic. They can modify here and there any major modification needs to the design data of su-30 and testing for its approval from OEM.

With modifications, he meant in avionics and weapon integration. HAL don't own Su30mki design.

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[SanjeevM]

We should arm all the available HTT-40, Kiran, Hawk and all other trainer aircrafts with available radar technology and indigenous missiles. They will add to the available squadron numbers. Though they may not be used in absence of war in a near foreseeable future, but psychologically, it will help take pressure off everyone. In case there is a war (assuming), we can use everything at our disposal, in case need arises. They may not be used in frontline attack or defence but can be used in later wave of attack once enemy AA guns are silenced for bombing targets in enemy lines. These can always be accompanied with MKI or Tejas.

 

[Sancho]

We should arm all the available HTT-40, Kiran, Hawk and all other trainer aircrafts with available radar technology and indigenous missiles. They will add to the available squadron numbers. Though they may not be used in absence of war in a near foreseeable future, but psychologically, it will help take pressure off everyone. In case there is a war (assuming), we can use everything at our disposal, in case need arises. They may not be used in frontline attack or defence but can be used in later wave of attack once enemy AA guns are silenced for bombing targets in enemy lines. These can always be accompanied with MKI or Tejas.

That money would be better spend by actual combat fighters or armed drones. Trainers are too vulnerable to any kind of attack from the ground, which is why they only can be used against low capable enemies like IS or Taliban.

 

[SanjeevM]

That money would be better spend by actual combat fighters or armed drones. Trainers are too vulnerable to any kind of attack from the ground, which is why they only can be used against low capable enemies like IS or Taliban.

My suggestion was that they can be used once AA guns are silenced. We have some of the indigenous radars and missiles which will be cheaper to produce. Instead of keeping trainers, they can be equipped to increase the squadron numbers psychologically. I know that situation may never arise that we have to send trainers for any operations. But we must equip them and keep them ready.

 

[Sancho]

My suggestion was that they can be used once AA guns are silenced.

And that exactly will never be the case, since we are fighting 2 nuclear powers. Gaining air superiority alone won't be possible anymore, let alone taking out ground defences, because way before that happens, the nuclear threat comes into play.

 

[Saichand K]

Any update on the status of HTT-40? or there are hiccups in spin recovery for HTT-40 also?

 

[vishnugupt]

Any update on the status of HTT-40? or there are hiccups in spin recovery for HTT-40 also?

All test shall be cleared end of this year.....
Btw.. why HAL ask to ADA for a help.? I think it will be better to be late then begging for help to arrogant big aeronautical companies

 

[G10]

It’s been 10 months now since HTT-40 started to get ready for spin recovery trials. Something must have gone wrong else HAL would have definitely bragged about it.

 

[Saichand K]

Yes... that is what I am thinking too.. Any HAL guys in the forum who knows any info?

 

[Sancho]

It’s been 10 months now since HTT-40 started to get ready for spin recovery trials. Something must have gone wrong else HAL would have definitely bragged about it.

Let's hope that nothing happened, but it's a good point! What happened with the project?

 

[Flame Thrower]

During defexpo 2k18, I got a chance to talk with Hal folks, they said that it would take atleast a year to complete the spin tests.

So maybe by end of 2018, we might hear more info.

 

[Sancho]

So maybe by end of 2018, we might hear more info.

Which would mean that the programme is delayed =>

Dec 21 2016

HAL will be looking to speed things along for good reason — the airframer has committed to certifying the HTT-40 with three prototypes by the beginning of 2018 to begin deliveries possibly later that year to the Indian Air Force

https://www.livefistdefence.com/2016/12/once-bitten-hal-pushes-spin-kit-on-basic-trainer.html

Dec 13 2017

Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) Chairman and Managing Director T Suvarna Raju on Wednesday said the company was making effort to achieve a basic certification of Light Utility Helicopter (LUH) by the mid of 2018.

https://www.outlookindia.com/newssc...basic-certification-of-luh-by-mid2018/1208146

 

[patriots]

Spin tests in progress.Going well.

 

[Sancho]

Spin tests in progress.Going well.

Check his profile, he doesn't seem to have any relation to the project. I asked some defence journalists on twitter too, so far nobody had an update on the tests.