Here's How Israel will Attack Iran

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Fine Israel has the Intel, has the resources and has pretty much everything to go in alone! Heck even the Arabs will side with them and give them airspace and fuel and the US is not at all required for any of this! A Joint Arab Israeli Operation!

I am not surprised at this notion, because I know that not all know the Real Politics of Mid East like I do. Mid East is coming to such a situation that the peoples voices have started to be heard and matter, if not completely. If Any Arab Country lets Israel use its own soil for attacks against Iran, then there are every chance of many troubles erupting in many a gulf country!

I am not elaborating on the Hezbollah war of 06, but in that war too, Israel went out all out against the Hezbollah and after the War I myself witnessed the Wrath unleashed by the Israelis. You can get all the training you want in Urban warfare, but the ground reality is different. Israel underestimated Hezbollah, but I am sure now they dont, which can be Helpful.

I rest my case. I am sure all of you could make out from my posts what I was trying to say. I am for a peaceful solution and would love to see rhetoric stopped from both sides.
 

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Obama: I can't tell Israel not to fear Iran

United States President Barack Obama has said he cannot tell Israel not to fear Iran's nuclear ambitions, in comments published Saturday ahead of a meeting with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

"I understand very clearly that Israel considers Iran an existential threat, and given some of the statements that have been made by President Ahmadinejad, you can understand why," Obama told Newsweek. The magazine will publish the full interview on May 25.

"Their calculation of costs and benefits are going to be more acute," he added. "They're right there in range and I don't think it's my place to determine for the Israelis what their security needs are."
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Obama's comments came after CIA chief Leon Panetta informed Netanyahu last week that the U.S. President Obama demanded that Israel not launch a surprise attack on Iran.

Netanyahu is expected to raise the issue of Iran's nuclear program, which Israel and Western nations say is aimed at manufacturing atomic weapons, during his visit to Washington.

In the Newsweek interview, Obama said he wanted to offer Iran an opportunity to align itself with international norms and international rules.

"We are going to reach out to them and try to shift off of a pattern over the last 30 years that hasn't produced results in the region," he said.

But the president added that he was "not naive" about the difficulties of such a process. He said if the overtures to the Islamic Republic failed, "The fact that we have tried will strengthen our position in mobilizing the international community, and Iran will have isolated itself."

Obama: I can't tell Israel not to fear Iran - Haaretz - Israel News
 

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India will definitely Severely Condemn The Attacks and Hope The Hostilities Come To An End Soon And Peace Can Be Resumed Through Dialogue :p
 

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Gurus,
I have a doubt:
what is the best scenario for India is this mess of a situation?
What can India do to create circumnstances for that scenario which is favourable for India?
If Israel attacks Iran, what would be the reaction of India? and What 'should' be the reaction?
If Iran is in final stages of going nuke, what would be the reaction of India? and What 'should' be the reaction?
Johnee, if we go onto discuss Indian reactions and Needs in this thread, it will not be nice. This thread can be used to discuss how Iran can be attacked. I suggest you start a thread on your doubt and post some good articles you find and I am sure all the Gurus will chip in ;)
 

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06 wasn't all out war. All out war isn't just a linguistic term, its has certain conditions which must be fulfilled.

US backing is ideal for the job but Israel will go in alone if necessary.

Allowing use of airspace is not the same as a joint operation.
 

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India will definitely Severely Condemn The Attacks and Hope The Hostilities Come To An End Soon And Peace Can Be Resumed Through Dialogue :p
So, no real plan, huh? Just the standard!:wink:
 

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"Israel isn't the only country worried by Iran's nuke program, it is my belief that Israelis will fly over, and refuel over, Saudi Arabia--with their blessing."

Refueling with Israeli Tankers over an arab nation like Saudi, that too a nation with a great Radar/Detection facility and AWACS of its own, will be termed as a hostile action and a willingness to participate in the batlle that willl ensue, they just cant say: Israelis sneaked in with those tankers and all and our F16s and F15s couldnt be scrambled!. I am sure, the Saudis wont do it, again Its your personal feeling hence, doesnt stand a chance, because I too can feel whatever I want, it need not reflect the ground reality! Hope you didnt mean to say that Saudi will allow the Israelis to land and Refuel which Is all the same! :)
 

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Ahmed,
Thats why I said earlier that the decision of the US is of importance. If it decides to live with a nuclear Iran, then it ends here. If not, an all out war.

But then it all depends on how accurate the intelligence is on how advanced the Iranian nuke program is. If recent US reports are any indication, the US intel thinks Iran is not at an advanced stage of acquiring nuclear weapons.
This line carries the point which is the most important one in the entire thread, IMO.

MOD EDIT: Please Keep out Hamas and the Palestinian Issue. Start a thread if you wish so.
 

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The Moment US gets involved, Iranian Military is finished. And If US can stop Iran from launching Missiles then it will be a doubly awesome.

But I think Iran wont keep silent like Syria, remember Syria is in no way a threat to Israel and that Israel and Syria are close which makes any attack Easy.

Iran survives on its hype that It can give a blow to Israel if needed, if they dont, then the Mullahs can very well say bye bye to Power because the people will know that the Govt is just bluff and ripe to be overthrown. The morale will be down and a New regime might come in too, because I feel the people of Iran are somewhat pissed off with the mullahs.

Again I hope the peace agreement is the thing that will happen and Not War!
Israel will achieve its objectives in Iran with out a problem (if they are to attack a couple of nuclear sites) and it will not be afraid of loss of its pilots and planes in doing that especially when it feels that a nuclear Iran can not be avoided and that the attacks will cause permanent damage to Irans capability to launch a nuclear attack on Israel.

Syria is a strong ally of Iran and the regional resistance/terrorist (depends on the way we look at them) movements, with the silence of Iran and other regional actors (in terms of action) over the attacks shows that none of them can afford to start a war over these issues and that Israel is safe in the region.

USA will be involved in any activity between the two nations, and it will be on the side of Israel, and when we see the map, USA has more nations where it has a presence in the region than Iran.

For all the halla gulla i think the Iranians know the game they are playing and wont escalate things to the point where it comes back to them.
 

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If you compare, the Iranians play a game similar to the one played by North Korea. One of belligerence at one time and one of conciliation at another. That helps them buy time and also extract concessions from the big powers.
Iran is emboldened by the fact that the US does not even dare to think of attacking North Korea and thinks if it adopts the same strategy, it will keep the US from attacking Iran.
 

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Whether anyone gets attacked or not, there is a clear underlying fact if Iran successfully tests and goes nuclear. Threat!
At the moment Israel is nuclear and has never threatened anyone with them. All wars they fight are conventional and their nuclear arsenal is just defensive.
If and when Iran has nuclear weapons the entire equation changes for the whole Middle East including India. The reason being the unpredictability of the Iranian fanatics.
My assessment of those in Iran in power at the moment differ little from the Taliban being in power in Pakistan, if that happened.
Iran is Nazi Germany in 1944 with a Hitler in charge.
Nothing should be placed in the way of stopping Iran getting those weapons including bombing the hell out of them if these final talks fail. There is little time left to do it.
 

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You really think Iran is crazier than the NoKo's?

USA has a strong presence in the region, Iran has no way to breathe.

If they had the bomb they would use it to become stronger in a region where USA has the most number of allies, sympathetic nations, and direct presence, from Turkey, Saudi, UAE, Oman, Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait, Qatar, etc... near about all of the nations.

They will not use the weapons on Israel, USA or Europe.

USA has been isolating Iran ever since they gathered enough strength to depose the puppet King (shah), later on USA supported a raving mad lunatic called Saddam to destabilise their nation.

I am not talking about justifying what Iran is doing, its bloody stupid to do this when they can buy latest industrial technology reform their oil and gas sector and reap in the benefits, however try to look at it from the other mans prospective, they are scared shitless and paranoid to the level schizophrenia about USA.

What is needed here is a dialogue, Once all that Vietnam communists wanted was to kill a American, now they are on the path to becoming near allies in that region.

I can only laugh, because the way this world of ours runs is certainly not worth tears.
 

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There has been enough dialogues. Dialogues are the reason that their development is advancing and their anti aircraft defenses grow daily stronger. There will still be a dialogue going on when they announce the first successful test. It is time to feel out the others in the region and ready the F-16is.
And that is what is happening.
 

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There has been enough dialogues. Dialogues are the reason that their development is advancing and their anti aircraft defenses grow daily stronger. There will still be a dialogue going on when they announce the first successful test. It is time to feel out the others in the region and ready the F-16is.
And that is what is happening.
We are talking of people here, and it is of the utmost importance that we give dialouge a chance, lest we face the Iraq Situation of missing WMDs.


China armed Pakistan with nuclear weapons, which sold the design to a few other nations. We had a Pakistan with plenty of generals and politicians crying out to lob a few nukes at India, we are still standing right here.
 

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I'm talking about people too. The rest of the World's people, because if anyone gets nuked anywhere, the world will never be the same again. World economies would fail.
 

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Till the oil supplies are intact, any use of nuclear weapons in that region will have a local bearing and nothing on the world economy.
 

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I'm talking about people too. The rest of the World's people, because if anyone gets nuked anywhere, the world will never be the same again. World economies would fail.
No ones nuking anyone.

This assumption that Iran is run by some regime more fanatic than lets say that Kingdom in Saudi is hilarious.

Look at the situation in the region, if NoKo is not a issue worth attacking for USA, Iran should be the last on its list of nations to attack today.

No Ko sold the missile tech that USA cries about the the Nuclear weapon designs came from China via Pakistan.
 

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This line carries the point which is the most important one in the entire thread, IMO.

MOD EDIT: Please Keep out Hamas and the Palestinian Issue. Start a thread if you wish so.
Maybe you should have created a seperate thread on it , including the other posts directed at the issue, instead of deleting the better half of his post, its natural for threads to expand into different issues, he was only replying to Singh's post. After all you let Singh and Known_Unknown's posts on the thread stand.

Refueling with Israeli Tankers over an arab nation like Saudi, that too a nation with a great Radar/Detection facility and AWACS of its own, will be termed as a hostile action and a willingness to participate in the batlle that willl ensue
I see, so Iran will be pounding Israel with missiles while also battling KSA?

I am sure, the Saudis wont do it, again Its your personal feeling hence, doesnt stand a chance, because I too can feel whatever I want, it need not reflect the ground reality!
I know, anyone's personal opinion except yours , specially mine, doesn't stand a chance. Its strange that with your superior knowledge of "Real Mid East Politics" steeply based in ground reality you were unsure if the Iranian Prez is a holocaust denier.

But hey, what do I know, I am a biased sarcasmer.

Hope you didnt mean to say that Saudi will allow the Israelis to land and Refuel which Is all the same! :)
Strawman! :)

All ME countries know that a nuclear Iran will ultimately dominate the Persian Gulf. The small countries of the Persian Gulf know that they will have little choice but to accept this. Only Saudi Arabia is big enough and powerful enough to defy Iran, plus it as an American ally.

Countries like KSA and Egypt might not be chums with Israelis but they also don't have Iran's nuke program in their interest, they won't support it in order to prevent Shia Islam from dominating the Sunni Arab world. KSA doesn't have the capability of attacking Iranian nuclear facilities, nor would the people of Saudi Arabia approve of it. But Saudi Arabia could permit a one-shot Israeli overflight. Anyway, I am just guessing.

Till the oil supplies are intact, any use of nuclear weapons in that region will have a local bearing and nothing on the world economy.
IMHO If and when Iran dominates the entire Persian Gulf, it ll have the most significant impact on the alignment of most oil producing nations in the region, affect the output of everybody and thus boost prices. Secondly, in case of a nuke war, oil supplies would definitely be targetted, fewer ways of crippling a nation economically.

This assumption that Iran is run by some regime more fanatic than lets say that Kingdom in Saudi is hilarious.
Thats the thing, when Iran gets nukes, everyone in the ME will want nukes next, and theres trouble enough there already.

Look at the situation in the region, if NoKo is not a issue worth attacking for USA, Iran should be the last on its list of nations to attack today.
Today yes, because today its not in that advanced a stage of nuke developement, but when it does eventually reach that stage, USA will have a very strong reason to attack it, Israel will have stronger.

NoKo wont compare, Noko isn't sitting on the world's energy supply.
 

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Good work Auberon. That took a lot of effort, including your comments on the Mod edit.
Edits of any post unless it is for porn or something is a total load of junk.
THANKS
 

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Anyone who knows modern Iran's history knows why they are so defiant. The US and UK collaborated to stage a coup against the first elected government of Iran. Then they installed the Shah, who was a puppet dictator, and did everything that the west wanted. Then they supported Saddam in his ten year war against Iran which killed nearly a million Iranians. And they've put sanctions on them ever since the Islamic Revolution took place.

The Iranians have been persecuted by the west for its own ends. Secondly, Iran is not North Korea. They see themselves as the inheritors of the Persian empire and thus hold ambitions of being the major power in the Middle East. Unlike the Arab barbarians, and they see themselves as having a glorious history and civilization that had a profound impact on the world. So they want a role in the modern world that corresponds to and is worthy of their past achievements.

Many Americans, Australians and folks in the new world fail to understand these sentiments. But they're shared by most countries that achieved greatness in the past. Most Indians and Chinese think the same way.

Also, with great power comes great responsibility. To achieve that great power status, it has to be earned from the international community, and that is what Iran is trying to do, irrespective of the lunatic comments of its elected President. When Iranians say they want peace and prosperity, unlike China, I think they mean it. Iran hasn't instigated a war in its short history, and it's unlikely to do so in the future, especially given the presence of US bases in that region.
 

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