Ok, and how does that effect the affect a nuclear armed Iran will have on ME ?Anyone who knows modern Iran's history knows why they are so defiant. The US and UK collaborated to stage a coup against the first elected government of Iran. Then they installed the Shah, who was a puppet dictator, and did everything that the west wanted. Then they supported Saddam in his ten year war against Iran which killed nearly a million Iranians. And they've put sanctions on them ever since the Islamic Revolution took place.
Egyptians, Saudis, Lebanese, Syrians, the whole lot consider themselves inheritors of one thing or another, every country in the ME has ambitions of being a major power, whats your point?The Iranians have been persecuted by the west for its own ends. Secondly, Iran is not North Korea. They see themselves as the inheritors of the Persian empire and thus hold ambitions of being the major power in the Middle East.
:| Perhaps the "Arab barbarians" don't think so. Nor the Cancerous Zionists. Nor half of the civilised world.Unlike the Arab barbarians, and they see themselves as having a glorious history and civilization that had a profound impact on the world. So they want a role in the modern world that corresponds to and is worthy of their past achievements.
Yes because Yankees and Chainshakers never achieved any greatness in the past and are obviously too dumb to understand the sentiments of civilisations superior than their own.Many Americans, Australians and folks in the new world fail to understand these sentiments. But they're shared by most countries that achieved greatness in the past.Most Indians and Chinese think the same way.
Ok now that the Iranian Prez is irrelevant, lets move on to what people here call the real power base, the responsible Ayatollahs , who should be ideal for dialogue ...... if only the Americans were not sub-human I mean -Also, with great power comes great responsibility. To achieve that great power status, it has to be earned from the international community, and that is what Iran is trying to do, irrespective of the lunatic comments of its elected President.
When Iran says they want to wipe Israel off the face of earth, I think the Israelis believe it.When Iranians say they want peace and prosperity, unlike China, I think they mean it.
When aiming for a power base, Iranians are inheritors of Persian empire, when it comes to warfare, only its short history should be considered, and even then, border battles with Iraq in 70should be immaterial, the Iran-Iraq war should be considered US's fault, the arming and encouragement of Kurdish rebels should not be taken as a hostile gesture, Iranian Seizure of Gulf Islands claimed by UAE should be considered a minor affair, The Tanker War had no instigator, ok maybe Iraq but not Iran certainly, Iran's open support of Israeli enemies shouldn't even figure in because it isn't a "war" and it should be assumed that Iran will also not instigate a war in future, given their exalted leadership will become even more logical once they have nukes.Iran hasn't instigated a war in its short history, and it's unlikely to do so in the future, especially given the presence of US bases in that region.
That I agree with completely, instead of the righteous BS.Thats the thing, when Iran gets nukes, everyone in the ME will want nukes next, and theres trouble enough there already.
Today yes, because today its not in that advanced a stage of nuke developement, but when it does eventually reach that stage, USA will have a very strong reason to attack it, Israel will have stronger.
NoKo wont compare, Noko isn't sitting on the world's energy supply.
Iranian nukes will primarily have a coercive impact on Persian Gulf countries. By effectively portraying himself as a crazy guy, Ahmadinejad creates the impression he cannot be deterred.
Iran's expansion is NOT in the rest of the world' interest.Iran's strategic success so far has been its ability to frame its nuclear program as a threat to Israel, rather than to the Persian Gulf and thus a considerable part of the world's oil supply. They have achieved this primarily through the bellicose rhetoric of the holocaust denying Ahmadinejad--and at virtually no cost.
Bush may call Iran - Pongyang the "axis of evil", but the two are vastly different. US can bomb NK to the stone age if they want, but they are not doing so because of China. China is strongly against military action against NK. Why because if NK opens the gates, millions of refugees will enter China, and China is not in a position to allow so.If you compare, the Iranians play a game similar to the one played by North Korea. One of belligerence at one time and one of conciliation at another. That helps them buy time and also extract concessions from the big powers.
Iran is emboldened by the fact that the US does not even dare to think of attacking North Korea and thinks if it adopts the same strategy, it will keep the US from attacking Iran.
I said "what should we have done" .Israelis had offered to take out pakistani nuclear installations if they could use our airspace and we refused the offer.
we have done nothing and we also prevented others from doing something,so i don't think our politicians would do anything different if the chance to go back and change this was available. The answer is obvious destroy their facilities.I said "what should we have done" .
Clearly, to our politicians, foreign policy and political correctness matters more than national security. (((
probably showing my ignorance here - i have never heard of it before. When was it? and could you point me to some more reading about it , thanks.Israelis had offered to take out pakistani nuclear installations if they could use our airspace and we refused the offer.
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