HAL Prachand - Light Combat Helicopter (LCH)

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Do you think LCH got its IOC and received RFP without this vital element?
Are you sure that the IOC was obtained with 12.7 mm protection? Why can't IOC or even FOC be obtained for 7.62NATO protection?

Why is it not possible that a helicopter is designed to withstand only 7.62NATO by specification itself but not mentioned in public so as to keep the enemy guessing? Most firearms are lower than 7.62NATO. 50BMG is rarely used by soldiers. So, it is perfectly possible that the protection has been limited to 7.62NATO
 

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Are you sure that the IOC was obtained with 12.7 mm protection? Why can't IOC or even FOC be obtained for 7.62NATO protection?

Why is it not possible that a helicopter is designed to withstand only 7.62NATO by specification itself but not mentioned in public so as to keep the enemy guessing? Most firearms are lower than 7.62NATO. 50BMG is rarely used by soldiers. So, it is perfectly possible that the protection has been limited to 7.62NATO
Because 12.7mm is the bare minimum of firepower any infantry column will have in its support element. Forget tanks and Mech Inf who will have 30mm autocannons and above. If an attack helicopter cannot survive a few hits from a 50 cal HMG, then it's doomed. Granted the LCH isn't even supposed to be in a position where it comes under direct fire from ground vehicles, but in case that happens, you want to make sure that the pilot has enough time to escape.

Get it through your head! It's not that difficult to use composites to protect against 12.7mm or even 20mm fire and yet maintain low overall weight.
 

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Are you sure that the IOC was obtained with 12.7 mm protection? Why can't IOC or even FOC be obtained for 7.62NATO protection?

Why is it not possible that a helicopter is designed to withstand only 7.62NATO by specification itself but not mentioned in public so as to keep the enemy guessing? Most firearms are lower than 7.62NATO. 50BMG is rarely used by soldiers. So, it is perfectly possible that the protection has been limited to 7.62NATO
As @binayak95 already mentioned, just use your logic.

LCH has been designed for high altitude warfare. What is your biggest threat there? High calibre rifles and RPG's and MANPADS. You can't design a LCH to be like Mi35 to operate at that altitude and withstand RPG. Leave alone MANPADS.

So the minimum level protection which is a bare necessity is against high caliber rifle round.
 

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LCH has been designed for high altitude warfare.
Correction - the LCH has been designed to operate in all theaters with equal efficiency. Its High Altitude capability is better than other Attach helo's. But it has an equal role to play in the desert and in the plains.
 

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Correction - the LCH has been designed to operate in all theaters with equal efficiency. Its High Altitude capability is better than other Attach helo's. But it has an equal role to play in the desert and in the plains.
Not really if you look at the avionics. It is more tuned as a high altitude warrior. In open plain or level ground, it would not be as effective in comparison to its high altitude role.
 

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Correction - the LCH has been designed to operate in all theaters with equal efficiency. Its High Altitude capability is better than other Attach helo's. But it has an equal role to play in the desert and in the plains.
LCH has a great Power to weight ratio simply unmatched by any other chopper. This gives it an exceptional climb rate which can damage its structure and hence it is electronically controlled and capped at 10 M/S. Its high power to weight ratio is evident from the fact that It has a more powerful engine than BS Chinese Z10 chopper which weighs more than double the weight of LCH.
 

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Correction - the LCH has been designed to operate in all theaters with equal efficiency. Its High Altitude capability is better than other Attach helo's. But it has an equal role to play in the desert and in the plains.
The only disadvantage the LCH faces at theatres other than High Altitude is lack of armor or atleast it appears to lack armor when compared to Apaches and Mi35s. At high altitude, it's better to have some rotary firepower than nothing
 

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The only disadvantage the LCH faces at theatres other than High Altitude is lack of armor or atleast it appears to lack armor when compared to Apaches and Mi35s. At high altitude, it's better to have some rotary firepower than nothing
Both heavy and light attack helos have their plac on the battle field. It comes down to how you evolve the doctrine. Just look at the USMC with the Cobra and any of the euro helos
 

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Not really if you look at the avionics. It is more tuned as a high altitude warrior. In open plain or level ground, it would not be as effective in comparison to its high altitude role.
I'm what sense. Can it carry a similar payload with similar agility and keep it's range ?
 

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LCH has a great Power to weight ratio simply unmatched by any other chopper. This gives it an exceptional climb rate which can damage its structure and hence it is electronically controlled and capped at 10 M/S. Its high power to weight ratio is evident from the fact that It has a more powerful engine than BS Chinese Z10
hopper which weighs more than double the weight of LCH.
The Turks claim their euro rip off is better at high altitude
 

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The Turks claim their euro rip off is better at high altitude
Turks always boast. They haven't yet fully completed the development and flight avionics of their chopper yet.

Both heavy and light attack helos have their plac on the battle field. It comes down to how you evolve the doctrine. Just look at the USMC with the Cobra and any of the euro helos
Light choppers have disadvantage at lower heights as enemy will be able to carry higher caliber weapons more easily on lower areas. Higher one goes, the lower the logistical carry ability of enemy and hence the light armour can withstand enemy betetr
 

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Both heavy and light attack helos have their plac on the battle field. It comes down to how you evolve the doctrine. Just look at the USMC with the Cobra and any of the euro helos
Agreed sir. Which is why half of all IAF and IA Apaches are the Longbow variant. Speculation is that they'll be linked with 3-4 LCH/Rudras and direct them to targets. LCH/Rudras will do NoE flying to avoid enemy ground fire (being guided by the long range radar of Apaches) before popping up and pummeling enemy formations.

Jugaad at its best.
 

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Agreed sir. Which is why half of all IAF and IA Apaches are the Longbow variant. Speculation is that they'll be linked with 3-4 LCH/Rudras and direct them to targets. LCH/Rudras will do NoE flying to avoid enemy ground fire (being guided by the long range radar of Apaches) before popping up and pummeling enemy formations.

Jugaad at its best.
No comcasa, no inter-linking between Indian and American equipment sirji....
 

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No comcasa, no inter-linking between Indian and American equipment sirji....
who said? COMCASA gives us access to NATO grade Comms but that doesn't mean American equipment bought by us doesn't have any Comms.

All Indian systems have BEL Datalinks. Which allows them to communicate amongst themselves.
 

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who said? COMCASA gives us access to NATO grade Comms but that doesn't mean American equipment bought by us doesn't have any Comms.

All Indian systems have BEL Datalinks. Which allows them to communicate amongst themselves.
USA does not give high end radars if India does not sign COMCASA. It will give watered down radar. In P8, USA refused to give higher end technology like hydrocarbon detector and high end electromagnetic detector.

So, either India will not get the high end radar to be used or it will be with COMCASA and hence no interlinking. By the way, why can't India make its own LCH radar? India already makes many types of radars by itself.
 

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who said? COMCASA gives us access to NATO grade Comms but that doesn't mean American equipment bought by us doesn't have any Comms.

All Indian systems have BEL Datalinks. Which allows them to communicate amongst themselves.
Your point was about data sharing between apache and LCH. Isn’t it?

Why will they share encrypted data without comcasa? The whole point of COMCASA is about protecting their encrypted data.

I am not referring to comms.
 

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Turks always boast. They haven't yet fully completed the development and flight avionics of their chopper yet.


Light choppers have disadvantage at lower heights as enemy will be able to carry higher caliber weapons more easily on lower areas. Higher one goes, the lower the logistical carry ability of enemy and hence the light armour can withstand enemy betetr
You should read up on the experience of the Americans operating their Cobras
 

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Indian P8s are 100% linked to Indian ISR and C&C

Have no fear. India is not paying top dollar for Apaches to use it with one hand tied behind it's back
Thanks for the info...

In that case I have to re-study the issue of comcasa.
 

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