HAL Prachand - Light Combat Helicopter (LCH)

[Yodha]

I can’t talk for others, but I’m not here to say that drdo or Hal is beyond reproach. True, there are some areas where the performance is piss poor. But to blanketly say that DRDO is a shitty evil abomination is immature and churlish. The very same DRDO has also provided some fantastic products that define india’s deterrence today.

INSAS was a let down. That is one example and is widely known. There are numerous such examples. There are also examples of good products.

When it comes to the maintenance Sqn leader. Why should he run and coordinate with foreign vendors for imported spares? They’re buying it from HAL or DRDO as the OEM. They get their spares through DRDO or HAL as such. The onus is on DRDO or HAL to coordinate with the foreign vendors for spares.

I'll let you speak with a technical NCO of an armoured, mechanised or any technical arm. Talk to him and tell me that he gets his spares from DRDO or OFMK. Not so simple friend. Once procured, Indian OEMs will only give you the spares made in house. Rest will need overseas procurement. That is still complicated.

See, this where I don't like people like you. Assuming things and beating drums. Never play jazz when it's not your concert.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Rudra beating Apache. I must speak to Elon Musk and book a ticket for Mars. Do you even realise what you said? Think before exercising your fingers on the keyboard.

Apache is the best in class. It has avionics which are advanced than those fitted in Comanche. Show me a helicopter that can engage a target on its lateral left or right with its Tip path plane tilting to its longitudinal front all the while maintaining 80 to 100 knots. None. That is apache.

So think before shitting from your brain.

Boss. Chill with the insults.

He is trying to convey something about the load carrying capacity at such heights.
This is somewhat true. This is the reason B.S. Dhanoa kept saying he would use the LCH at higher altitudes instead of apaches due to the weight difference.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

I'll let you speak with a technical NCO of an armoured, mechanised or any technical arm. Talk to him and tell me that he gets his spares from DRDO or OFMK. Not so simple friend. Once procured, Indian OEMs will only give you the spares made in house. Rest will need overseas procurement. That is still complicated.

See, this where I don't like people like you. Assuming things and beating drums. Never play jazz when it's not your concert.

Well I certainly did not know that. I’m speaking with the logic and industry knowledge that I know. I work in a sensitive industry that deals with OEM’s and hundreds of tier 1 and tier 2 suppliers. You can guess what field I work in.

AFAIK, that is how an OEM concept works. Unless this is a new concept followed by DRDO where they absolve all responsibility of a section of their product because they’re not the principal owner.

I could give less than two fucks whether you like me or not mate. I’m just stating what I know. If I’m wrong, then I’m wrong.

Please give me the contact info of the technical NCO. Would love to chat with him/her. Unless you were just trying to sound cool there.

 

[Yodha]

Well I certainly did not know that. I’m speaking with the logic and industry knowledge that I know. I work in a sensitive industry that deals with OEM’s and hundreds of tier 1 and tier 2 suppliers. You can guess what field I work in.

AFAIK, that is how an OEM concept works. Unless this is a new concept followed by DRDO where they absolve all responsibility of a section of their product because they’re not the principal owner.

I could give less than two fucks whether you like me or not mate. I’m just stating what I know. If I’m wrong, then I’m wrong.

Please give me the contact info of the technical NCO. Would love to chat with him/her. Unless you were just trying to sound cool there.

I have had a fair share of them. Not in need to take them from a General Officer commanding in chair.

Or you can ask an Officer who had plenty of experience handling such cases. That's me. Right here.

Mod Edit : No personal attacks. Demerit points next.

 

[Alfalfa]

Yeah... back to your non sensical arguments again. You’re so dead against DRDO that you try to shit n every product that they produce. Doesn’t surprise me.

It’s not me watching too many Iraq Afghanistan videos. If that’s the case, I’m not the one persuading the IA to go for more apaches. Guess the IA has been watching too many of those videos as per your logic then huh?

you complain that drdo or ofb cant make indigenous rocket pods yet you still cry that you want lch to integrate spikes, javelins and hellfires. The dumbest dude I’ve ever met in this forum. Bozo would also want Brahmos to be integrated soon on the lch

Not once in this forum have I seenyou reply without talking like a D-Bag.

And I’ll bet you this. Your next reply would have nothing to do with this topic, and you’ll start crying about how drdo can’t make proper wind cheaters or jackets.

Thats because he is a D-Bag, always hating on someone , trying to belittle some one and if no one is readily available... then hate on the DRDO, HAL, OFB.... It is this holier than thou approach of the army why everything is stuck in Winter Trials or summer trials somewhere or the other... The navy packs a punch for a reason... they get ROI on their platforms.....I'm glad more people are calling the army out for what it is, the Imported Army... with an Operating ratio to match the railways

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Awwww. That pinched you. You were the same one calling names and giving chaddi examples right. Expect to get it back. Always. Keep the discussion civilized and every body will be happy.

How is it's load carrying capacity more than apache? Do you understand AUW? TTH? Anything about helicopters?

Think about this? Why does all three services still use Chetaks and cheetahs in more no.s than Dhruv even after its Mark IV achievement.

I’m not pinched. Or whatever that is. I’ve kept the discussion as civilized as possible, except when exemplary dbags start name calling. That is when I give it right back. Would do you good if you maybe scroll up and read the other posts involving Bhadra where he talks like a fucking child.
Like I said earlier. I give ZERO fucks about what you think About me. Interesting how people like you always trying get into a personal pissing contest rather than sticking to the topic. I’m still not pinched bro. This is how I talk. And stop awwwwwing lol.

coming back to the topic. No. I do not know about the technical terminology of a helicopter, That you’ve just mentioned. Again. He’s talking about high altitude performance, load carrying. Apache is a heavy chopper. Which is why I quoted Dhanoa. The former air chief. Who insisted on usingthe LCH for high altitude warfare owing to its weight and performance envelope at high altitudes.

If you have anything tocounter that thought process by dhanoa please enlighten us.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Thats because he is a D-Bag, always hating on someone , trying to belittle some one and if no one is readily available... then hate on the DRDO, HAL, OFB.... It is this holier than thou approach of the army why everything is stuck in Winter Trials or summer trials somewhere or the other... The navy packs a punch for a reason... they get ROI on their platforms.....I'm glad more people are calling the army out for what it is, the Imported Army... with an Operating ratio to match the railways

Bro. I’m not here in this forum to belittle the army or drdo or anyone.
The army has its struggles as well. They have their own reasons to be angry.
It is what it is. All I’m saying is, let’s stop name calling and belittling our very own institutions, armies, organizations like kids. Let’s talk responsibly about how to better or root out standing issues.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Awwww. That pinched you. You were the same one calling names and giving chaddi examples right. Expect to get it back. Always. Keep the discussion civilized and every body will be happy.

How is it's load carrying capacity more than apache? Do you understand AUW? TTH? Anything about helicopters?

Think about this? Why does all three services still use Chetaks and cheetahs in more no.s than Dhruv even after its Mark IV achievement.

And also. I was asking you to chill with the insults directed at the other guy. Not me. Lol.
Like I said. Please read through the post completely before replying boss.
It’s extremely helpful these days.

 

[johnq]

Your fucks are not welcome. Thanks. I have had a fair share of them. Not in need to take them from a General Officer commanding in chair like you.

Or you can ask an Officer who had plenty of experience handling such cases. That's me. Right here.

The anonymity of the internet means that anybody can pretend to be something they are not.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Your fucks are not welcome. Thanks. I have had a fair share of them. Not in need to take them from a General Officer commanding in chair like you.

Or you can ask an Officer who had plenty of experience handling such cases. That's me. Right here.

Good for you little man. Keep handling them cases.

I don’t care if my fucks are not welcome. I still will give zero fucks to the likes of someone Who’s just trying to get into a personal pissing contest.

 

[patriots]

Rudra beating Apache. I must speak to Elon Musk and book a ticket for Mars. Do you even realise what you said? Think before exercising your fingers on the keyboard.

Apache is the best in class. It has avionics which are advanced than those fitted in Comanche. Show me a helicopter that can engage a target on its lateral left or right with its Tip path plane tilting to its longitudinal front all the while maintaining 80 to 100 knots. None. That is apache.

So think before shitting from your brain.

Sry What I had written..... apologies from my side....

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Sry What I had written..... apologies from my side....

Don’t worry about it. Hombres like the dude above love to belittle. Aka bullies.

Chill maar. What you said actually made sense. I’m sure you meant the lch, not the rudra. Doesn’t matter either way.

 

[patriots]

Don’t worry about it. Hombres like the dude above love to belittle. Aka bullies.

Chill maar. What you said actually made sense. I’m sure you meant the lch, not the rudra. Doesn’t matter either way.

Indian Army's Rudra Armed Helos Break Cover In Ladakh

The Indian Army Rudra, the in-service advanced armed version of the HAL Dhruv, briefly broke cover today in Ladakh, confirming the indigenous aircraft's operational deployment amidst border tensions to the high altitude theatre it was always designed for. An Army Aviation Corps Rudra was...

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India-China Ladakh Standoff – Role and Capability of Helicopters

The unprecedented standoff between Indian and Chinese army troops in Ladakh--now in stage I of the agreed disengagement process--has once again highlighted the restrictions that the high altitude terr

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The bharat sakti piece is by......Lt Gen BS Pawar (Retd)

 

[patriots]

Guys read this one ....
From a veteran .... definitely you will know why alh rudra and lch are favourite s in high altitude s .......

India-China Ladakh Standoff – Role and Capability of Helicopters

The unprecedented standoff between Indian and Chinese army troops in Ladakh--now in stage I of the agreed disengagement process--has once again highlighted the restrictions that the high altitude terr

bharatshakti.in

 

[Bhadra]

Poeple please be cool and rational.

It is with utmost indignation I write that I am aghast noting how much money has been sunk by people of India in creating those monoliths money guzzlers called Ordinance factories - 42 of them and DPSUs. MoD is the largest industrail body in the country..
It was with lots of hopes. aspirations and responsibility that MoD created them. It was hoped those guys were to usher in a huge MIC is India. The Soviet Union and China also created their MIC with public money and under govt control. Compare our DODOs and OFB with the MIC of China and Russia. For the Communist OFB Baus and trade unions, USSR and China were motherland, and Fatherland and India always remained an enemy to be destroyed.

MoD created behemoths that deliberately created a critical deficiency in ammunition for good fifteen years and downgraded capacities so badly that the deficiencies have not been made up till now in spite of half slashing scales by the Forces so that people are not scared.

Is not it wonderful that MoD itself if responsible for creating a security crisis, sabotage defense preparedness and demoralize soldiers?

I have a definite feeling that MoD apparatus minus the Armed Forces are actively working to sabotage BJP's nationalism plank of which Armed Forces and their glory is an important ingredient. How can Armed Forces achieve glory against Pakistan and China only with Dundas in their hands?

This is o evident the way Communists, Left. Islamists and Congress as a gang are all working to ensure India being humiliated by China once again militarily. How MMS and the Saint A and their ten years weaken India Militarily is no secret///

In this forum also who do think it is their Dharma to defame and call names to Armed Forces with every post...

 

[johnq]

Much of the negativity being spread about the LCH reminds me of how the LCA was treated in its development years. And now the LCA has developed into a platform with superior handling and maneuvering at high altitude; it has been praised by no less than 4 (Indian and foreign) air chiefs for its handling at altitude.
The LCH will be the same way. It takes time to develop a product as complex as the LCH, but once it gets there it will have superior high altitude handling combined with superior engagement capability (especially once coupled with its UAV escort). The problem with some of the naysayers is that they have a fixed older way of thinking, so they don't easily accept that a newer better way is possible. The development of a military industrial base in any country (Including US) has gone through its trials by fire, but that is necessary. The American military industrial base took decades to develop, with countless mistakes, and here the naysayers want it to stop at the first stage. It's just easier to pick and choose whatever you want from a foreign country, but that also means the lack of military development within India as you waste more money in profits for the foreign companies and arms dealers. Of course the foreign vendors don't want you to develop your own products, as it means loss of future business profits for them. But in spite of all the opposition from various vested interests, I have a feeling that India will get there.

 

[patriots]

Some points from that report

 

[fire starter]

Poeple please be cool and rational.

It is with utmost indignation I write that I am aghast noting how much money has been sunk by people of India in creating those monoliths money guzzlers called Ordinance factories - 42 of them and DPSUs. MoD is the largest industrail body in the country..
It was with lots of hopes. aspirations and responsibility that MoD created them. It was hoped those guys were to usher in a huge MIC is India. The Soviet Union and China also created their MIC with public money and under govt control. Compare our DODOs and OFB with the MIC of China and Russia. For the Communist OFB Baus and trade unions, USSR and China were motherland, and Fatherland and India always remained an enemy to be destroyed.

MoD created behemoths that deliberately created a critical deficiency in ammunition for good fifteen years and downgraded capacities so badly that the deficiencies have not been made up till now in spite of half slashing scales by the Forces so that people are not scared.

Is not it wonderful that MoD itself if responsible for creating a security crisis, sabotage defense preparedness and demoralize soldiers?

I have a definite feeling that MoD apparatus minus the Armed Forces are actively working to sabotage BJP's nationalism plank of which Armed Forces and their glory is an important ingredient. How can Armed Forces achieve glory against Pakistan and China only with Dundas in their hands?

This is o evident the way Communists, Left. Islamists and Congress as a gang are all working to ensure India being humiliated by China once again militarily. How MMS and the Saint A and their ten years weaken India Militarily is no secret///

In this forum also who do think it is their Dharma to defame and call names to Armed Forces with every post...

need to corporatize OFB and kick the fuck out of these trade unions.

 

[johnq]

need to corporatize OFB and kick the fuck out of these trade unions.

Corporatization/privatization is no panacea. I have seen plenty of cover-ups in the private companies of the US, including massive financial scams. What is needed is proper accountability with regular audits being cross-checked constantly.

 

[Bhadra]

Some points from that reportView attachment 56040View attachment 56041

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Selective underlining serves no purpose... hiding the truth and patting one's back is no good when it comes to waging wars...