Greece - SYRIZA, in the margin of the Eurozone

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1. Wrong .. German Christiano democrats want Greece out
2. Because they needed time to prepare their banking system so they will get rid the Greek bonds and replace them with interstate loans.In fact the 78B were not new loans , but replacement of Bonds withn interstate loans.. so the damage would be tranfered from their banks to european tax payer

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This is correct , their action are not economy driven , but neocolonial. They want to dominate Europe, and Greece was resisting again (just as during WW2 , that Greece in fact was the first nation opposed successfully the axis at 1940)
Come on man take it easy...you are building theories and stories that would make even the great thinkers of ancient Greece jealous.
 

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but energy is not essential in light food and tech industry.
You can't export without cheap goods.
cheap goods=> cheap energy
No cheap energy=>No cheap exports=> No monies=>Big debt=> Always poor.
 

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http://www.cnbc.com/id/102819817

Business has been so brisk in the giant Kotsovolos appliance and electronics store in this upper-middle-class suburb of Athens that you might think a sale was on.


But, no. It is panic buying, those who work here say. Increasingly concerned that greater economic trouble lies ahead of them, and limited in how much cash they can take out of banks, Greeks have been using their debit cards to buy ovens, refrigerators, dishwashers — anything tangible that can hold its value in troubled times.


“We have sold so much,” said Despina Drisi, who has worked in the store for 12 years. “We even sold display models. People have been pulling at my sleeves. We’re spacing things out now to cover the holes on the shelves.To the casual observer, the bustle of everyday life looks unchanged here. Greeks, many of whom long ago traded in their cars for cheaper motor scooters, clog the streets at rush hour on their way to and from work. Tourists pack the Acropolis. Friends meet, greet and sit in cafes, looking for shady spots against the heat.


But beneath the surface, Greeks are struggling with growing fear, the strange ramifications of closed banks and the mounting potential for much worse. They could face the unknown consequences of being pushed out of the eurozone within the next week if Greece and its creditors cannot come to an agreement.


Some are watching television and checking their smartphones constantly. Others refuse to follow what is going on in Brussels at all. But either way, many are doing what they can to protect themselves financially, buying appliances and jewelry or even prepaying their taxes so they will have taken care of one financial obligation if they end up losing some of their savings to a bank failure, as happened to depositors in Cyprusunder a bank rescue plan there in 2013.


“Panicked doesn’t begin to describe how people feel,” said Antonis Mouzakis, an Athens accountant. “I have a huge number of customers wanting to file their taxes right here, right now, to have the tax calculated and paid instantly before a possible haircut. Even if the tax is 40 to 50 thousand euros, they pay it off in one go.”


A Greek jeweler, George Papalexis, said a customer had approached him on Wednesday wanting to buy a million euros — about $1.1 million — worth of merchandise. But Mr. Papalexis, the chief operating officer of Zolotas, said he had refused because he was more comfortable holding on to the jewels than having money in Greek banks.

“I can’t believe that there I was, turning away a million-dollar offer,” he said. “But I had to turn down the deal. It’s a measure of the risk we face.”


Mr. Mouzakis said that many companies were also trying to settle their debts quickly, not wanting to owe money if their deposits are hit in a deal to rescue Greek banks. Others do not want to accept payments for the same reason. When banks in Cyprus had to be bailed out in 2013, depositors with more than €100,000 lost about 40 percent of their money.


A contractor at a Greek energy company, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said his firm had paid all its taxes for the year last week to whittle down the funds that could be subject to a deposit tax.


“I’m even thinking about buying a car, although I don’t need one, to get my cash balance lower,” he said. “People want their money in physical assets, not in the bank.”

But some who are unlikely to be troubled by losing a percentage of their bank deposits are spending, too. Vassilis Bekiaris, 29, said he knew two brothers who had gone on what was probably an ill-advised spending spree, fearing a cut to their savings. One who had just €1,000 in his account bought an iPhone. The other had €10,000 euros but, thinking he could lose 20 percent, bought €2,000 worth of clothes. “All they managed to do was prop up the economy a bit,” Mr. Bekiaris said.


While pensioners and others in need of cash struggled, some employers who were behind in paying their employees surprised them by digging into their safes and producing cash rather than risk losing money to the terms of a bank bailout.


A few companies, prepared for the bank closings, were ready to pay cash to their grateful employees. The family-owned Petsas group, which manufactures a range of products from biodiesel to cotton clothing, paid all of its workers, about 130 people, in cash.
@Gabriel92 - Something got these lazy wankers to pay their taxes :lol:
 

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Yes as I said, many self esteem lacking Indians like western masters .
So if you are anti-western and full of anti Americanism, then you automatically become full of self esteem....!
Smell some coffee dear.

throw a few bones and you get loyal puppies in return.
Not at the cost of Indian interest. No matter what.
I am not mad Indian like you.

How else do you think britshits managed to rule over millions here in India with just a few lakh?
It proves the idiotness of Indians.
Why the hell we allowed them in first place...!
Anyway, try to get some information about........................why somebody started RSS, in 1925.

For those few loyal puppies , the britshits rule(or Portuguese in your example) would indeed be better than Indian rule, seeing as they had lost their masters.
Take bobby jindal or his likes of NRI , they wouldn't mind selling their mothers for a few brownie points from their masters. Does not mean rest of India thinks the same nor does it mean what they are saying is true
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I said it in my post #407. Let me post that sentence here again .......
Typical Indian style useless crap. Don't address about problems of their people and cry for everything else.
 

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So if you are anti-western and full of anti Americanism, then you automatically become full of self esteem....!
Smell some coffee dear.
Dude get over yourself. I was not talking about you. I was talking about the western wannabe whores, who advocate that Inda should become a slave of the west, just like how they have become one. But If you belong with that camp, then may be you do belong with the self esteem lacking whores.
Not at the cost of Indian interest. No matter what.
I am not mad Indian like you.
Suggesting India become a western lackey IS at the cost of Indian interest. May be it escaped your thought process

It proves the idiotness of Indians.
Why the hell we allowed them in first place...!
Anyway, try to get some information about........................why somebody started RSS, in 1925.
Why because they are traitors and self esteem lacking whores, who decided that they had a lot more to gain by becoming western slaves than serve the interest of the country. Thats why( similar to what many modern day lackeys are claiming)

Typical Indian style useless crap. Don't address about problems of their people and cry for everything else.

Typical of the western lapdogs- claiming that the life in India is worse than that of living as slaves during colonial time. Unless you are going to give a moronic claim that PCI/median household income etc has come down in independant India from the colonial India this very claim is bull shit and reeks of treason- if at all you were an Indian in the first place.(as opposed to someone who already got NZ citizenship). This is a claim so outrageous that it should be mocked to death, not "debated"

BTW, If my parents are poor and my neighbors are rich, I dont abandon my parents and change my initials and claim that the neighbors are my parents. Addressing the problems of my parents does not involve changing my initials. But hey, thats just me because of patriotism, identity and self respect :bplease:
 
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Greece - What You Are Not Being Told by the Media

According to mainstream media, the current economic crisis in Greece is due to the government spending too much money on its people that it went broke. This claim however, is a lie. It was the banks that wrecked the country so oligarchs and international corporations could benefit.
ByChris Kanthan/nationofchange.org
Every single mainstream media has the following narrative for the economic crisis in Greece: the government spent too much money and went broke; the generous banks gave them money, but Greece still can’t pay the bills because it mismanaged the money that was given. It sounds quite reasonable, right?

Except that it is a big fat lie … not only about Greece, but about other European countries such as Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland who are all experiencing various degrees of austerity. It was also the same big, fat lie that was used by banks and corporations to exploit many Latin American, Asian and African countries for many decades.

Greece did not fail on its own. It was made to fail.

In summary, the banks wrecked the Greek government and deliberately pushed it into unsustainable debt so that oligarchs and international corporations can profit from the ensuing chaos and misery.

If you are a fan of mafia movies, you know how the mafia would take over a popular restaurant. First, they would do something to disrupt the business – stage a murder at the restaurant or start a fire. When the business starts to suffer, the Godfather would generously offer some money as a token of friendship. In return, Greasy Thumb takes over the restaurant’s accounting, Big Joey is put in charge of procurement, and so on. Needless to say, it’s a journey down a spiral of misery for the owner who will soon be broke and, if lucky, alive.

Now, let’s map the mafia story to international finance in four stages.

Stage 1: The first and foremost reason that Greece got into trouble was the “Great Financial Crisis” of 2008 that was the brainchild of Wall Street and international bankers. If you remember, banks came up with an awesome idea of giving subprime mortgages to anyone who can fog a mirror. They then packaged up all these ticking financial bombs and sold them as “mortgage-backed securities” at a huge profit to various financial entities in countries around the world.

A big enabler of this criminal activity was another branch of the banking system, the group of rating agencies – S&P, Fitch and Moody’s – who gave stellar ratings to these destined-to-fail financial products. Unscrupulous politicians such as Tony Blair got paid by Big Banks to peddle these dangerous securities to pension funds and municipalities and countries around Europe. Banks and Wall Street gurus made hundreds of billions of dollars in this scheme.

But this was just Stage 1 of their enormous scam. There was much more profit to be made in the next three stages!

Stage 2 is when the financial time bombs exploded. Commercial and investment banks around the world started collapsing in a matter of weeks. Governments at local and regional level saw their investments and assets evaporate. Chaos everywhere!

Vultures like Goldman Sachs and other big banks profited enormously in three ways: one, they could buy other banks such as Lehman brothers and Washington Mutual for pennies on the dollar. Second, more heinously, Goldman Sachs and insiders such as John Paulson (who recently donated $400 million to Harvard) had made bets that these securities would blow up. Paulson made billions, and the media celebrated his acumen. (For an analogy, imagine the terrorists betting on 9/11 and profiting from it.) Third, to scrub salt in the wound, the big banks demanded a bailout from the very citizens whose lives the bankers had ruined! Bankers have chutzpah. In the U.S., they got hundreds of billions of dollars from the taxpayers and trillions from the Federal Reserve Bank which is nothing but a front group for the bankers.

In Greece, the domestic banks got more than $30 billion of bailout from the Greek people. Let that sink in for a moment – the supposedly irresponsible Greek government had to bail out the hardcore capitalist bankers.

Stage 3 is when the banks force the government to accept massive debts. For a biology metaphor, consider a virus or a bacteria. All of them have unique strategies to weaken the immune system of the host. One of the proven techniques used by the parasitic international bankers is to downgrade the bonds of a country. And that’s exactly what the bankers did, starting at the end of 2009. This immediately makes the interest rates (“yields”) on the bonds go up, making it more and more expensive for the country to borrow money or even just roll over the existing bonds.

From 2009 to mid-2010, the yields on 10-year Greek bonds almost tripled! This cruel financial assault brought the Greek government to its knees, and the banksters won their first debt deal of a whopping 110 billion Euros.

The banks also control the politics of nations. In 2011, when the Greek prime minister refused to accept a second massive bailout, the banks forced him out of the office and immediately replaced him with the Vice President of ECB (European Central Bank)! No elections needed. Screw democracy. And what would this new guy do? Sign on the dotted line of every paperwork that the bankers bring in.

(By the way, the very next day, the exact same thing happened in Italy where the Prime Minister resigned, only to be replaced by a banker/economist puppet. Ten days later, Spain had a premature election where a banker puppet won the election).

The puppet masters had the best month ever in November 2011.

Few months later, in 2012, the exact bond market manipulation was used when the banksters turned up the Greek bonds’ yields to 50%!!! This financial terrorism immediately had the desired effect: The Greek parliament agreed to a second massive bailout, even larger than the first one.

Now, here is another fact that most people don’t understand. The loans are not just simple loans like you would get from a credit card or a bank. These are loans come with very special strings attached that demand privatization of a country’s assets. If you have seen Godfather III, you would remember Hyman Roth, the investor who was carving up Cuba among his friends. Replace Hyman Roth with Goldman Sachs or IMF (International Monetary Fund) or ECB, and you get the picture.

Stage 4: Now, the rape and humiliation of a nation begin under the name of “austerity” or “structural reforms.” For the debt that was forced upon it, Greece had to sell many of its profitable assets to oligarchs and international corporations. And privatizations are ruthless, involving everything and anything that is profitable. In Greece, privatization included water, electricity, post offices, airport services, national banks, telecommunication, port authorities (which is huge in a country that is a world leader in shipping) etc. Of course, the ever-manipulative bankers always demand immediate privatization of all media which means that the country gets photogenic TV anchors who spew establishment propaganda every day and tell the people that crooked and greedy banksters are saviors; and slavery under austerity is so much better than the alternative.

In addition to that, the banker tyrants also get to dictate every single line item in the government’s budget. Want to cut military spending? NO! Want to raise tax on the oligarchs or big corporations? NO! Such micro-management is non-existent in any other creditor-debtor relationship.

So what happens after privatization and despotism under bankers? Of course, the government’s revenue goes down and the debt increases further. How do you “fix” that? Of course, cut spending! Lay off public workers, cut minimum wage, cut pensions (same as our social security), cut public services, and raise taxes on things that would affect the 99% but not the 1%. For example, pension has been cut in half and sales tax increase to more than 20%. All these measures have resulted in Greece going through a financial calamity that is worse than the Great Depression of the U.S. in the 1930s.

After all this, what is the solution proposed by the heartless bankers? Higher taxes! More cuts to the pension! It takes a special kind of a psychopath to put a country through austerity, an economic holocaust.

If every Greek person had known the truth about austerity, they wouldn’t have fallen for this. Same goes for Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland and other countries going through austerity. The sad aspect of all this is that these are not unique strategies. Since World War II, these predatory practices have been used countless times by the IMF and the World Bank in Latin America, Asia, and Africa.

This is the essence of the New World Order — a world owned by a handful of corporations and banks; a world that is full of obedient, powerless debt serfs.

So, it’s time for the proud people of Greece to rise up like Zeus and say NO (“OXI” in Greece) to the greedy puppet masters, unpatriotic oligarchs, parasitic bankers and corrupt politicians.

Dear Greece, know that the world is praying for you and rooting for you. This weekend, vote NO to austerity. Say YES to freedom, independence, self-government, sovereignty, and democracy. Go to the polls this weekend and give a resounding, clear victory for the 99% in Greece, Europe, and the entire western world.
 

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Solution:

- Creditors offer haircut
- Debt to Equity conversions
- Massive privatization drive

Most crucially ECB reform ... no more individual central banks within EU ... one for all and ...

Otherwise this will be a "kicking the can down the road" if not "domino effect" if not "massive economic reset".
 

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Only day-traders are affected in other countries. In Greece every common person is.
Carpe Diem from Creta in the Libyan sea

to Pontos of the Black sea..

and from the east Agean

to more Western style western Corfu of Ionian sea

and the unforgettable Asia Minor and Konstantinopole songs..
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2 trillions have been lost in Asian markets and Billions in westerns..
 
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Dude get over yourself. I was not talking about you. I was talking about the western wannabe whores, who advocate that Inda should become a slave of the west, just like how they have become one. But If you belong with that camp, then may be you do belong with the self esteem lacking whores.
Sir, I was not talking about myself, check it again and you didn't get it, that is why I said smell some coffee.

If India become partner with SCO then that is self esteem for you and if India become partner with US then that is like becoming a slave of west.


Suggesting India become a western lackey IS at the cost of Indian interest. May be it escaped your thought process

Why because they are traitors and self esteem lacking whores, who decided that they had a lot more to gain by becoming western slaves than serve the interest of the country. Thats why( similar to what many modern day lackeys are claiming)

Typical of the western lapdogs- claiming that the life in India is worse than that of living as slaves during colonial time. Unless you are going to give a moronic claim that PCI/median household income etc has come down in independant India from the colonial India this very claim is bull shit and reeks of treason- if at all you were an Indian in the first place.(as opposed to someone who already got NZ citizenship). This is a claim so outrageous that it should be mocked to death, not "debated"

BTW, If my parents are poor and my neighbors are rich, I dont abandon my parents and change my initials and claim that the neighbors are my parents. Addressing the problems of my parents does not involve changing my initials. But hey, thats just me because of patriotism, identity and self respect :bplease:
Sir, if I am not wrong, you are a doctor.
And if it is true, then I feel sorry for your patients.
Get your head check sir. At-least for the sake of your patients please go for it.
Seriously sir, what a sick mind you got.
 

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Indeed billions that's lost in Asian stock markets could have been put in better use like Greek bail-out by say buying Greek t-bonds or assets or enterprises.

But the prerequisites might be including but not limited to internal stability of Greece, a feasible roadmap of reforms and debt restructuring, a good track record of honoring commitments, and a fairly good return (prospect)on investment.

An robust Eurozone is good for any subsciber to a multipolar world in economic sense.

~Tapa talks: Orange is the new black.~
 

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Sir, I was not talking about myself, check it again and you didn't get it, that is why I said smell some coffee.

If India become partner with SCO then that is self esteem for you and if India become partner with US then that is like becoming a slave of west.




Sir, if I am not wrong, you are a doctor.
And if it is true, then I feel sorry for your patients.
Get your head check sir. At-least for the sake of your patients please go for it.
Seriously sir, what a sick mind you got.

As far as I know, @Mad Indian won't beat his chest on SCO membership!
 

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Greece - What You Are Not Being Told by the Media

According to mainstream media, the current economic crisis in Greece is due to the government spending too much money on its people that it went broke. This claim however, is a lie. It was the banks that wrecked the country so oligarchs and international corporations could benefit.
ByChris Kanthan/nationofchange.org
Every single mainstream media has the following narrative for the economic crisis in Greece: the government spent too much money and went broke; the generous banks gave them money, but Greece still can’t pay the bills because it mismanaged the money that was given. It sounds quite reasonable, right?

Except that it is a big fat lie … not only about Greece, but about other European countries such as Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland who are all experiencing various degrees of austerity. It was also the same big, fat lie that was used by banks and corporations to exploit many Latin American, Asian and African countries for many decades.

Greece did not fail on its own. It was made to fail.

In summary, the banks wrecked the Greek government and deliberately pushed it into unsustainable debt so that oligarchs and international corporations can profit from the ensuing chaos and misery.

If you are a fan of mafia movies, you know how the mafia would take over a popular restaurant. First, they would do something to disrupt the business – stage a murder at the restaurant or start a fire. When the business starts to suffer, the Godfather would generously offer some money as a token of friendship. In return, Greasy Thumb takes over the restaurant’s accounting, Big Joey is put in charge of procurement, and so on. Needless to say, it’s a journey down a spiral of misery for the owner who will soon be broke and, if lucky, alive.

Now, let’s map the mafia story to international finance in four stages.

Stage 1: The first and foremost reason that Greece got into trouble was the “Great Financial Crisis” of 2008 that was the brainchild of Wall Street and international bankers. If you remember, banks came up with an awesome idea of giving subprime mortgages to anyone who can fog a mirror. They then packaged up all these ticking financial bombs and sold them as “mortgage-backed securities” at a huge profit to various financial entities in countries around the world.

A big enabler of this criminal activity was another branch of the banking system, the group of rating agencies – S&P, Fitch and Moody’s – who gave stellar ratings to these destined-to-fail financial products. Unscrupulous politicians such as Tony Blair got paid by Big Banks to peddle these dangerous securities to pension funds and municipalities and countries around Europe. Banks and Wall Street gurus made hundreds of billions of dollars in this scheme.

But this was just Stage 1 of their enormous scam. There was much more profit to be made in the next three stages!

Stage 2 is when the financial time bombs exploded. Commercial and investment banks around the world started collapsing in a matter of weeks. Governments at local and regional level saw their investments and assets evaporate. Chaos everywhere!

Vultures like Goldman Sachs and other big banks profited enormously in three ways: one, they could buy other banks such as Lehman brothers and Washington Mutual for pennies on the dollar. Second, more heinously, Goldman Sachs and insiders such as John Paulson (who recently donated $400 million to Harvard) had made bets that these securities would blow up. Paulson made billions, and the media celebrated his acumen. (For an analogy, imagine the terrorists betting on 9/11 and profiting from it.) Third, to scrub salt in the wound, the big banks demanded a bailout from the very citizens whose lives the bankers had ruined! Bankers have chutzpah. In the U.S., they got hundreds of billions of dollars from the taxpayers and trillions from the Federal Reserve Bank which is nothing but a front group for the bankers.

In Greece, the domestic banks got more than $30 billion of bailout from the Greek people. Let that sink in for a moment – the supposedly irresponsible Greek government had to bail out the hardcore capitalist bankers.

Stage 3 is when the banks force the government to accept massive debts. For a biology metaphor, consider a virus or a bacteria. All of them have unique strategies to weaken the immune system of the host. One of the proven techniques used by the parasitic international bankers is to downgrade the bonds of a country. And that’s exactly what the bankers did, starting at the end of 2009. This immediately makes the interest rates (“yields”) on the bonds go up, making it more and more expensive for the country to borrow money or even just roll over the existing bonds.

From 2009 to mid-2010, the yields on 10-year Greek bonds almost tripled! This cruel financial assault brought the Greek government to its knees, and the banksters won their first debt deal of a whopping 110 billion Euros.

The banks also control the politics of nations. In 2011, when the Greek prime minister refused to accept a second massive bailout, the banks forced him out of the office and immediately replaced him with the Vice President of ECB (European Central Bank)! No elections needed. Screw democracy. And what would this new guy do? Sign on the dotted line of every paperwork that the bankers bring in.

(By the way, the very next day, the exact same thing happened in Italy where the Prime Minister resigned, only to be replaced by a banker/economist puppet. Ten days later, Spain had a premature election where a banker puppet won the election).

The puppet masters had the best month ever in November 2011.

Few months later, in 2012, the exact bond market manipulation was used when the banksters turned up the Greek bonds’ yields to 50%!!! This financial terrorism immediately had the desired effect: The Greek parliament agreed to a second massive bailout, even larger than the first one.

Now, here is another fact that most people don’t understand. The loans are not just simple loans like you would get from a credit card or a bank. These are loans come with very special strings attached that demand privatization of a country’s assets. If you have seen Godfather III, you would remember Hyman Roth, the investor who was carving up Cuba among his friends. Replace Hyman Roth with Goldman Sachs or IMF (International Monetary Fund) or ECB, and you get the picture.

Stage 4: Now, the rape and humiliation of a nation begin under the name of “austerity” or “structural reforms.” For the debt that was forced upon it, Greece had to sell many of its profitable assets to oligarchs and international corporations. And privatizations are ruthless, involving everything and anything that is profitable. In Greece, privatization included water, electricity, post offices, airport services, national banks, telecommunication, port authorities (which is huge in a country that is a world leader in shipping) etc. Of course, the ever-manipulative bankers always demand immediate privatization of all media which means that the country gets photogenic TV anchors who spew establishment propaganda every day and tell the people that crooked and greedy banksters are saviors; and slavery under austerity is so much better than the alternative.

In addition to that, the banker tyrants also get to dictate every single line item in the government’s budget. Want to cut military spending? NO! Want to raise tax on the oligarchs or big corporations? NO! Such micro-management is non-existent in any other creditor-debtor relationship.

So what happens after privatization and despotism under bankers? Of course, the government’s revenue goes down and the debt increases further. How do you “fix” that? Of course, cut spending! Lay off public workers, cut minimum wage, cut pensions (same as our social security), cut public services, and raise taxes on things that would affect the 99% but not the 1%. For example, pension has been cut in half and sales tax increase to more than 20%. All these measures have resulted in Greece going through a financial calamity that is worse than the Great Depression of the U.S. in the 1930s.

After all this, what is the solution proposed by the heartless bankers? Higher taxes! More cuts to the pension! It takes a special kind of a psychopath to put a country through austerity, an economic holocaust.

If every Greek person had known the truth about austerity, they wouldn’t have fallen for this. Same goes for Spain, Italy, Portugal, Ireland and other countries going through austerity. The sad aspect of all this is that these are not unique strategies. Since World War II, these predatory practices have been used countless times by the IMF and the World Bank in Latin America, Asia, and Africa.

This is the essence of the New World Order — a world owned by a handful of corporations and banks; a world that is full of obedient, powerless debt serfs.

So, it’s time for the proud people of Greece to rise up like Zeus and say NO (“OXI” in Greece) to the greedy puppet masters, unpatriotic oligarchs, parasitic bankers and corrupt politicians.

Dear Greece, know that the world is praying for you and rooting for you. This weekend, vote NO to austerity. Say YES to freedom, independence, self-government, sovereignty, and democracy. Go to the polls this weekend and give a resounding, clear victory for the 99% in Greece, Europe, and the entire western world.
That was loads of BS in one single incoherent article!
 
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Guy Verhofstadt and Alexis Tsipras plenary speech on Greece (FULL SPEECH) 8 Jul 2015

Published on Jul 8, 2015, by Curious World HD
 

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That was loads of BS in one single incoherent article!
Frankly, I think your comment is BS. Why, you will see later.

I have already posted this article, along with two other posts:
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...in-of-the-eurozone.66611/page-21#post-1055758
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...in-of-the-eurozone.66611/page-21#post-1055765 (the article)
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...in-of-the-eurozone.66611/page-21#post-1055768

In the last post, I said this below, because I was anticipating a no-content one-liner like the one you posted. Didn't think it would come from you. I am sure you have not read the article.
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This post, and the two previous posts came about after spending a lot of time reading through, and often verifying, a lot of material. This does not obligate anyone to refrain from making disagreeable, partially-informed, or uninformed comments, but if these posts are countered, it is expected that the person countering should at least do the right thing, and read through the content first.
 

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Frankly, I think your comment is BS. Why, you will see later.

I have already posted this article, along with two other posts:
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...in-of-the-eurozone.66611/page-21#post-1055758
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...in-of-the-eurozone.66611/page-21#post-1055765 (the article)
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...in-of-the-eurozone.66611/page-21#post-1055768

In the last post, I said this below, because I was anticipating a no-content one-liner like the one you posted. Didn't think it would come from you. I am sure you have not read the article.
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This post, and the two previous posts came about after spending a lot of time reading through, and often verifying, a lot of material. This does not obligate anyone to refrain from making disagreeable, partially-informed, or uninformed comments, but if these posts are countered, it is expected that the person countering should at least do the right thing, and read through the content first.
Just one counter-argument.

Why do you want to put blame at the doors of Goldman-Sachs all the time? They know how to jiggle numbers and that is what they are paid for. Now Greece wanted to be in eurozone, all other eurozone countries wanted Greece to be in Eurozone, if they paid GS to cook up few numbers, who is more at fault? The democratically elected govt, the EU system or Goldman? On top of that, once GS was gone, Greece still continued to do what it does best i.e. cook up its national accounts.

Btw, I read the article and could clearly see it was written by someone who knows zilch about economics.
 

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and when the situation is geting worst.. thats situations problems..:hmm:
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