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The way many Indians have run away after having free education!!!
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I always wanted to know- Indians go to Russia and Ukraine to study medicine because it is cheap there compared to India- 2lakh Rupees pa vs 10lakhs Rupees per annum here in India. Do they study in govt colleges or private ones? And how is that even possible- Indian education costs so more when cost of living here is so low compared to Rus/Ukr

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That is one variety, the deluded ones. They wouldn't be where they are without the free socialist education.

There is another variety that is thankful.
The thankful ones are 80, the deluded ones are 20 and the screwed up ones are 10000!! Better be deluded than thankful!

Btw, this deluded is a product of market economy after India opened up in 1991.
 

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The thankful ones are 80, the deluded ones are 20 and the screwed up ones are 10000!! Better be deluded than thankful!

Btw, this deluded is a product of market economy after India opened up in 1991.
There is no market economy when it comes to movement of labour. It is rather restricted.
 

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The thankful ones are 80, the deluded ones are 20 and the screwed up ones are 10000!! Better be deluded than thankful!

Btw, this deluded is a product of market economy after India opened up in 1991.
Lol. This is such painful argument to hear.

My grand dad would not stop his mouth on how Kamaraj opened so many govt schools, all the while ignoring how he did not allow opening of that many private schools or how he dint allow enough private investments in factories- meaning no one could afford private schools even if it was open because they dint have proper productive jobs.

Socialism solves the problems which does not exist with any other system- too clever by half :truestory:
 
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Lol.

I always wanted to know- Indians go to Russia and Ukraine to study medicine because it is cheap there compared to India- 2lakh Rupees pa vs 10lakhs Rupees per annum here in India. Do they study in govt colleges or private ones? And how is that even possible- Indian education costs so more when cost of living here is so low compared to Rus/Ukr

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Yes, we are learning a lot of students from India. They learn throughout the territory of Ukraine (Lugansk to Uzhgorod). Foreign students here, not only Indians. There are many from other countries of Indochina, Central Asia, Arab countries, Africa. It is not only Medical universities. Recently, spoke with a student from Syria, who is studying in the Academy of Agriculture.

Free or paid education - what's the difference? A man leaves his country, if he cannot realize himself at home.
 

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Free or paid education - what's the difference? A man leaves his country, if he cannot realize himself at home.
Dude what question is this? If Indians study in your govt colleges(meaning your govt paid for their medical education), when they return back to India, it results in a net drain on your govt's expenditure and hence a net loss for your country.

India still has very low no. Of colleges training doctors compared to developed world and so these people are forced to go to your country/Rus because of that.

I am not saying it is wrong(why would I think it is wrong , when it gives us a free engineers/doctors?), I am wondering who finances them....!
 

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Dude what question is this? If Indians study in your govt colleges(meaning your govt paid for their medical education), when they return back to India, it results in a net drain on your govt's expenditure and hence a net loss for your country.

India still has very low no. Of colleges training doctors compared to developed world and so these people are forced to go to your country/Rus because of that.

I am not saying it is wrong(why would I think it is wrong , when it gives us a free engineers/doctors?), I am wondering who finances them....!


So you are also dependent on the state. In Soviet times, free education was not just. You were obliged to ride along the distribution otherwise you will not receive a diploma. Therefore, while studying at the Leningrad medical after graduation, you could send to Chukotka.
 

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Dude what question is this? If Indians study in your govt colleges(meaning your govt paid for their medical education), when they return back to India, it results in a net drain on your govt's expenditure and hence a net loss for your country.

India still has very low no. Of colleges training doctors compared to developed world and so these people are forced to go to your country/Rus because of that.

I am not saying it is wrong(why would I think it is wrong , when it gives us a free engineers/doctors?), I am wondering who finances them....!
Those glory days of communism are gone. Indians used to get almost free education in the USSR. The education in the Russian Federation and Ukraine is fully paid for by the students. These countries are capitalist countries now.
 

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So you are also dependent on the state. In Soviet times, free education was not just. You were obliged to ride along the distribution otherwise you will not receive a diploma. Therefore, while studying at the Leningrad medical after graduation, you could send to Chukotka.
Same thing happens in India. If you get your MBBS from a subsidized government medical college with most expenses paid for by the state, then you will be posted in some far flung remote village to man a government hospital.
 

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Those glory days of communism are gone. Indians used to get almost free education in the USSR. The education in the Russian Federation and Ukraine is fully paid for by the students. These countries are capitalist countries now.
No it is not. The government allocates budget places to study. When I received the second higher education we have 25 people in the group 7 studied free of charge.
Paid education is also not expensive. 4000 UAH. (1 USD=8 UAH) for six months.
 

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No it is not. The government allocates budget places to study. When I received the second higher education we have 25 people in the group 7 studied free of charge.
Paid education is also not expensive. 4000 UAH. (1 USD=8 UAH) for six months.
I was talking about Indians going to study there.
 

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I was talking about Indians going to study there.
Foreigners pay a different amount. and in currency.
My military College cadets studied-gunners from Turkmenistan. Their government was paying for their studies of natural gas.
 
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There are lot of Indians who went abroad , got successful and went back to their native motherland ....to name a few recent and prominent ones, Reserve Bank governor, RaghuRam Rajan, Chief economic advisor. Arvind Pangaria and many more.
Many doctors return after many years and ones who don't return, most of them have a bond of love and gratitute to India and visit every 1 or 2 years. There is no dearth of talented ,smart young men and women in India and that is going to be a huge asset in the future. India is rising and India will soar...and the "hegemon" can not stop it.
 

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Russian media: Hostile Finland strengthens its troops on the Russian border

http://yle.fi/uutiset/venajan_media_vihamielinen_suomi_vahvistaa_joukkojaan_venajan_rajalla/8170764


Finland's intention to strengthen the anti-Russian border defense has been interpreted by the Russian leadership once again as one of the evidence in Finland militarization and hostility. Russia's Federation Council representative, it is the same as defensively against the Martians.

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The Jaeger Group Wihuri 15 -sotaharjoituksessa Nurmes on 9 June. Photo: Kimmo Rauatmaa Photo /
Finland's defense plans in Russia is estimated on the basis of the American Defense News publication. It cites the Finnish Defense Minister Jussi Niinistö, according to which Finland will invest close to Russian border troops of rapid response.

Niinistö, the changes are necessary because of the East-Ukrainian events.

The opinion has raised the Russian media and political leadership wide interest.

Kommersant newspaper, the Finnish Defence Forces has made it clear that it is a restructuring of the existing forces nor any completely new troops. According to the information received by the magazine comes to increasing the reserve in the standby mode.

Kommersant suggests that similar projects are under way in many other countries. NATO's member states agreed on the amount of rapid reaction forces to raise 30 000 last February.

Finland Fear of Russia has once again awakened

The well-known Russian political scientist Fyodor Lukyanov says that the events in Ukraine have been activated by Finland old fears. Fear of Russia is the prevailing perception of the world to Finland, says Lukjanov.

- The background to the civil war and the Winter War.

Lukjanov According to the Finnish military leadership did not think seriously of the Russian attack, but prefers to prepare in advance.

The reasons are, in his opinion two. We want to demonstrate to voters that decision-makers are awake. Another reason is the company to suspend early stage all the talk of the necessity of Finnish NATO membership.

Lukjanov believes that Finnish decision-makers understand the importance of the Russian yes, but the people got nervous and keep calm.

Finland hostile actions

Finnish government's actions Russia has been interpreted as an open-Russia illegal.

- Finland has recently worked continuously hostile, claims the deputy chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee Sergei Shigarev.

He refers to the fact that Finland jointly by the President of the State Duma Sergei Naryshkinin access to the OSCE meeting in Helsinki.

Vice-Chairman of the Committee of the Russian Federation Council International Affairs Andrei Klimov, in turn, calls on the Finnish focus on the treatment of their own finances instead of spending a lot of money on defense against Russia.

- It's like trying to protect yourself from Martians, says Klimov.

Klimov searching for reasons of history.

- Finland included the aftermath of the Second World War, the friendship between mean Klimov says, referring to cooperation between Finland and the Soviet Union.

- This was the reason why the St. Petersburg Former holiday home province has developed into one of the most flourishing countries, argues Klimov.

Now Finland has his opinion, ripping out everything that was achieved during the 60 years.

Klimov noted that the Finnish measures will be answered. Weighing, for example, round timber export ban. But first, it must be examined how the ban would affect Russia's own economy.

Tourists flee

The Russian Finnish debate also warned that the Russian-policy against exports from Finland to Russian tourists.

Andrei Klimov, many Russians now consider very carefully where on holiday and where to do business.

In an interview with Kommersant newspaper, in turn, the representative of the Russian Defence Forces belittles caused by Finnish troops movements threat.

According to him, close to the border placed in the Finnish troops is not enough to attack Russia
 

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http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...land-tactical-response-units-russia/30197931/









Finland To Deploy Quick Response Units Along Russian Border
By Gerard O'Dwyer11:37 a.m. EDT July 18, 2015
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HELSINKI — Finland's Armed Forces Command has added a quick response dynamic with plans to locate rapid reaction units (RRUs) to military districts that fall under the command of the country's four military provinces.

Defense Minister Jussi Niinistö described the initiative as necessary to strengthen operational readiness and bolster Finland's overall defense and deterrence capabilities against rising regional tensions over Russia's military intervention in Ukraine.

The focus of deployment for the RRUs, which constitute a new feature within Finland's territorial-based, infantry-centered defense strategy, will be military districts close to Finland's 833-mile border with Russia.

Finnish territorial defense doctrine traditionally has been to use mobile field Army units backed by mainly local reserve forces to counter, delay, repel and inflict heavy losses on aggressors attacking across Finland's heavily forested, lake-rich frontier and inland terrains.

The RRUs will add a front-line rapid deployment combat force to the military's arsenal. The modular-type structure will enable RRUs to be used in defensive and offensive forward roles.

The RRUs are intended to comprise a mix of career officers and soldiers, as well as troops drawn from special forces units, retrained reservists and conscripts.

"The deployment of troops is our touchstone. Both the Air Force and Navy have a rapid-response capability, and this is the challenge that the Army now has," Niinistö said.

The Ministry of Defense is considering proposals to increase the Finnish Armed Force's recruitment and training budget to broaden the scope for reservist-dedicated service contracts and refresher courses.

Legislative hurdles will need to be cleared before the RRUs can take reservists in large numbers, said Ilkka Kanerva, chairman of the Finland's Parliamentary Defense Committee.

"New legislation is needed to enable the armed forces to recruit reservists in a transparent and efficient way. Under the present system, reservist contracts do not stipulate exact service times or how quickly reservists can be mobilized and armed," Kanerva said.

The transformed security situation in the Nordic and Baltic regions has forced the government and the military to accelerate the process of establishing, training and deploying RRUs, said Kanerva.

"Finland must reform its preparedness so that our defense organization and structures are at an appropriate level. It is legislation that is lagging behind right now," Kanerva said.

The Finnish armed forces has a standing strength of 12,000 troops. The conscript-centered armed forces, based on current reservist numbers, can mobilize up to 230,000 combat troops and service personnel within one to four weeks. About 21,600 conscripts are expected to complete their call-up training in 2015.

The decision to establish and deploy RRUs in a largely offensive role comes as the Finnish government reaches a provisional agreement with opposition parties to increase the defense budget in 2016-2020.

The growing all-party support for a much larger defense budget is being driven by unprecedented public support for a stronger military organization, a greater deterrence capability and a closer relationship with NATO.

The broad political backing for higher spending levels comes after successive years of cuts to the armed forces' core budget. The slide continued in 2015 when spending as a ratio of GDP dropped to 1.28 percent, down from 1.34 percent in 2014. The core defense budget in 2015 is set at $2.9 billion.

The Finnish government's unease over Ukraine is also reflected in several initiatives taken since April. These included a communication sent by the government to private companies, including in the strategic defense and security sectors, to inform them of upcoming changes to Finnish defense strategy.

The companies contacted form the basis of the so-called state-industrial-service wartime partnership that underscores Finland's Total Defense strategy. The communiqué stated that companies would receive further information in coming months regarding enhanced military and national defense preparedness programs.

In May, reservists received letters from the Armed Forces Command notifying them of their assigned combat and service roles in a wartime situation. The communication also informed reservists of structural changes to the national defense organization, which has been undergoing modernization since 2008.

The RRUs, which are expected to be organized in a similar manner to that of the armed forces' international-mission oriented Rapid Deployment Force (RDF), are the latest part of the Army's modernization drive.

Established in 1996, the battalion-level RDF is trained to participate at "short notice" in multinational peacekeeping and "crisis management" operations. The RDF's core structure comprises a mechanized Jaeger-standard specialized forces battalion, a combat engineer battalion, a brigade-level command-and-communications system and a civil-military cooperation company.

If the new RRUs are structured in the style of the RDF, they will have a modular organization capable of operating alongside, or as part of, a larger integrated force, in coordinated missions with both naval warships and Air Force fighter support units.

The military's modernization program has reinforced shortfalls in the Navy's and Army's operating capabilities. The Navy took delivery of its first Jehu-class fast landing boats in June, filling a void in its littoral fleet for a multipurpose craft that can be used for troop transports, sea surveillance, battle and battle support missions.

The Navy's Squadron 2020 project has underlined the need for a new multipurpose warship to replace its existing fleet of Hämeenmaa and Rauma class ships. Emphasis is being placed on acquiring a ship type with advanced submarine hunting capabilities.

The Army's purchase of 20 NH90 helicopters has improved its tactical and transport capability. The final NH90 aircraft, assembled by Patria in Finland, was delivered in June.
 

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