F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[BON PLAN]

Because figure for every single aircraft in that photo is either wrong or the author being a retard and merged number at different altitude together.
Oh and for your information F-22 STR is actually roughly that of F-15 according to KPP and F-15 manual , contrast to the nonsense in your chart.

Frankly, it isn't even a simulation but a chart with a bunch of random numbers put together with none match any flight manual whatsoever.

It's not "my" chart. It is a chart (in this case rafale would have been so far away all the others....:biggrin2: )
And in fact I was very surprised of the poor F15 figure. Incredible a plane with so many victory with so weak datas.

 

[StealthFlanker]

Nice.
After the so called 5gen F35 that can't reach at least 2 main assets of the 5th gen definition (according to LM itself), now LM is trying to convince that a 7G plane has quite no measurable difference in agility with a 9G one.
Splendid

Firstly, G limit of F-35A is 9G, while F-35B/C is 7.5G
Secondly, above Mach 0.85, Mig-29 G-limit is 7G
above Mach 0.85, Su-27 G limit is 6.5G
Yet neither aircraft will have any issue dogfight with F-16 which has 9G limit, as explained many times before G limit has very little impact on agility

And in fact I was very surprised of the poor F15 figure. Incredible a plane with so many victory
with so weak datas.

Because the data in that chart is wrong.

 

[asianobserve]

Firstly, G limit of F-35A is 9G, while F-35B/C is 7.5G
Secondly, above Mach 0.85, Mig-29 G-limit is 7G
above Mach 0.85, Su-27 G limit is 6.5G
Yet neither aircraft will have any issue dogfight with F-16 which has 9G limit, as explained many times before G limit has very little impact on agility

Because the data in that chart is wrong.

Well, it's clear by now that he has decided to ditch data and common sense in favor of absurd talking lines. He just need to ask himself why even European countries at the heart of Europe have unanimously chose the F-35 over Rafale or EF? He certainly cannot claim that these countries were arm twisted by Uncle Sam when they are more invested politically and economically in Europe.

 

[BON PLAN]

Well, it's clear by now that he has decided to ditch data and common sense in favor of absurd talking lines. He just need to ask himself why even European countries at the heart of Europe have unanimously chose the F-35 over Rafale or EF? He certainly cannot claim that these countries were arm twisted by Uncle Sam when they are more invested politically and economically in Europe.

:bs: .

 

[vampyrbladez]

Let's hope it's done quickly. What's the time frame predicted for this to happen?

2026-27.......................................................................

 

[vampyrbladez]

Nice.
After the so called 5gen F35 that can't reach at least 2 main assets of the 5th gen definition (according to LM itself), now LM is trying to convince that a 7G plane has quite no measurable difference in agility with a 9G one.
Splendid.

If you are convinced, I'm not.


A 5th gen with 2 assets less, is it a 5-- gen ?

Dude F 35A is 9G capable with airframe upto 13.5 G stress capable.

 

[BON PLAN]

Dude F 35A is 9G capable with airframe upto 13.5 G stress capable.

"A" maybe. Not the others .

 

[vampyrbladez]

"A" maybe. Not the others .

So??? F 35A is the base version. F 18/F 18 SH are 7.5 G rated.

 

[BON PLAN]

So??? F 35A is the base version. F 18/F 18 SH are 7.5 G rated.

and F18 as SH18 are not impressive dog fighters.
First encounter between a Rafale and F18, in 1999 or 2001 (I don't remember)was a butchery for F18.

 

[BON PLAN]

F35 can't supercruise .

 

[StealthFlanker]

and F18 as SH18 are not impressive dog fighters.
First encounter between a Rafale and F18, in 1999 or 2001 (I don't remember)was a butchery for F18.

Like what F-4E did to Rafale in Frisian flag 2008? ( before you argue about the drawing, Eurofighter didn't take part in frisian flag 2008, Rafale did)

 

[BON PLAN]

Like what F-4E did to Rafale in Frisian flag 2008? ( before you argue about the drawing, Eurofighter didn't take part in frisian flag 2008, Rafale did)

In fact, how many F4 eaten by Rafake and how many Rafale eaten by F4?
What was the role of Rafake (bombing? Air defense ?) and same about F4 ?

Even a T38 can win against a F22.

 

[StealthFlanker]

Even a T38 can win against a F22.

In dogfight, yes.
And that why taking simulated dogfight result as the evidence that one aircraft is better than another is pointless

 

[BON PLAN]

In dogfight, yes.
And that why taking simulated dogfight result as the evidence that one aircraft is better than another is pointless

Skill of the pilot counts.
But expect if you put a rookie in a F22 and a Top Gun flight pilot in a T38, agility, energy mastering and weapon system quality in WVR are essential.

 

[vampyrbladez]

F35 can't supercruise .

Check attached file. It clearly states M 1.2 as supercruise ability. Unless you have flown it yourself, your point is moot.

 

[BON PLAN]

Check attached file. It clearly states M 1.2 as supercruise ability. Unless you have flown it yourself, your point is moot.

NO.
The sole super cruise was in a slight descent.

 

[BON PLAN]

Even if the Pentagon can exercise the full capabilities of the new jet in simulations, there are questions as to how effective the F-35 will be against the latest Chinese and especially Russian integrated air defense systems in the real world. The Russians, especially, have been investing in long-wave networked radars operating in the UHF and VHF-bands for over two decades in their efforts to counter American stealth technology—particularly the Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit strategic bomber. “The question is not who’s fighter is stealthier, the question is how stealthy are our aircraft relative to their long-wave UHF/VHF radars, designed more to return a holistic signature image of low observable aircraft,” Mike Kofman, a research scientist specializing in Russian military affairs at the Center for Naval Analyses told The National Interest. “Maybe JSF can make it going in, but it is a rather expensive platform, and could get into big trouble trying to make it out."

But the F-35 has one other serious liability, Kofman said—adding that U.S. Navy pilots are skeptical about single-engine designs. The F-35’s single Pratt & Whitey F135 engine—while immensely powerful, producing about 43,000lbs of thrust—also runs extremely hot. Unlike the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor, where the exhaust its F119 engines are flattened to reduce their infrared signature, the F-35 does not have any substantive measures to reduce the visibility of its exhaust from the enemy. The Russians—who build excellent infrared sensors—could use the F-35’s thermal signature to develop a weapons quality track to engage the stealthy new jet. “It’s probably has the hottest engine on the face of the planet,” Kofman said.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...much-they-gave-it-nickname-velociraptor-35602

 

[BON PLAN]

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2018/11/09/italy-signals-slowdown-on-f-35-orders/

 

[BON PLAN]

Memo: Troubled $1.5 Trillion F-35 Program Has Another Big Problem

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...on-f-35-program-has-another-big-problem-35867

The memo, issued on August 24, 2018, says the program has not met the necessary entry criteria to begin the crucial combat-testing phase called Initial Operational Test and Evaluation (IOT&E)

previous testing reports found “key technical deficiencies in the ability of the F-35 to employ the AIM-120 weapons ” (the principle air-to-air missile) and an “uncharacterized bias toward long and right of the target” when pilots fire the aircraft’s cannon, resulting in them “consistently missing ground targets during strafe testing .”

LOL

 

[BON PLAN]

https://www.gao.gov/mobile/products/GAO-18-321

DOD has already requested $9.8 billion for 2019 and will ask for about $10.4 billion more per year over the next two decades.