F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[BON PLAN]

Really? and how would you know that? have any E-M diagram of F-35 that you want to share?

All officials reports say that,
Just see Le Bourget show : it seems it fly at idle speed ! nothing is nervous. We all see a huge inertia (pilot has to correct each maneuver)

 

[asianobserve]

Sure,
It's why during last international exercise F35 was limited to air to ground missions only.

Probably we have to wait until block 7.Y a hypothetical 9G capacity.

This is already getting boring.... yawn....

Just look at the order for F-35 and Rafale and who are making the orders.

 

[asianobserve]

The F-35 Paris Air Show demo diagram.

What is remarkable about the F-35 is that what was seen in its demo is practically how the plain will perform when combat loaded since it stores its weapons inside its fuselage like this:

4th gen fighters on the other hand must hang all their weapons, sensors, fuel tanks and what not on their wings and underbelly making a flying Christmas tree out of that aircraft which severely hampers its kenimatic performance (as opposed to flying clean) and will cause the plane to be a huge target on radar.

 

[asianobserve]

USN's F-35C fires AIM 9x test missile while flying inverted:

 

[asianobserve]

Air Force Accelerates F-35 "Threat Library" to ID Russian & Chinese Stealth Aircraft

The Air Force is accelerating development of a special, high-tech, on-board threat library for the F-35 designed to precisely identify enemy aircraft operating in different high-risk areas around the globe - such as a Chinese J-20 stealth fighter or Russian T-50 PAK FA 5th Gen fighter, service leaders said.

Described as the brains of the airplane, the "mission data files" are extensive on-board data systems compiling information on geography, air space and potential threats in areas where the F-35 might be expected to perform combat operations, Air Force officials explained.

"Mission data files are the key that unlocks the F-35," Brig. Gen. Scott Pleus, Director of the F-35 Integration Office said.

Consisting of hardware and software, the mission data files are essentially a database of known threats and friendly aircraft in specific parts of the world. The files are being worked on at a reprogramming laboratory at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., Air Force officials said. The mission data files are designed to work with the aircraft's Radar Warning Receiver engineered to find and identify approaching enemy threats and incoming hostile fire.

Pleus said the service is working vigorously to speed up development and integration of new software engineered to widen the threat envelope of the mission data files to enable the now operational F-35 to better identify specific enemy threats.

While progress at the Eglin laboratory has been steady, the integration of the mission data files for the F-35 have experienced some delays, prompting the current effort to quicken the pace so that the operational aircraft has the most extensive threat library possible. The first increments of the technology will be integrated for training F-35s, Pleus explained.

"If there is nothing in the library, the F-35 will not know exactly what the threat will be," he said.

The mission data packages are loaded with a wide range of information to include commercial airliner information and specifics on Russian and Chinese fighter jets. For example, the mission data system would enable a pilot to quickly identify a Russian MiG-29 if it were detected by the F-35’s sensors.

The mission data files are being engineered to adjust to new threat and intelligence information as it emerges.

Overall, the Air Force is developing 12 different mission data files for 12 different geographic areas, Air Force officials said.

OODA Loop

The idea with having an advanced threat library is to enable F-35 pilots to see and destroy enemies in the air, well in advance of a potential dogfight scenario.

This can be explained in terms of a well-known Air Force strategic concept pioneered years ago by air theorist and pilot Col. John Boyd, referred to as the "OODA Loop," --- for observe, orient, decide and act. The concept is to complete this process quickly and make fast decisions while in an air-to-air dogfight -- in order to get inside the enemy's decision cycle, properly anticipate, and destroy an enemy before they can destroy you.

The F-35 is designed with long-range sensors and data fusion technologies such that, as a fifth-generation aircraft, it can complete the OODA Loop much more quickly than potential adversaries, F-35 advocates claim.

http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1780516-f-35-will-id-chinese-j-20-russian-pak-50

 

[asianobserve]

US lawmaker wants to block F-35 sales to Turkey over embassy brawl

WASHINGTON — A Democratic lawmaker from Rhode Island is seeking to block the U.S. sale of Lockheed Martin-made F-35 fighter jets to Turkey over an attack on protesters outside the Turkish ambassador’s residence in Washington two months ago.

Rep. David Cicilline, a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, has proposed the ban as an amendment to the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act, which was passed by the House Armed Services Committee last month. The House is expected to take up the bill and deal with amendments next week.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles...block-f-35-sales-to-turkey-over-embassy-brawl

 

[asianobserve]

Air Force F-35 Trains Against Russian, Chinese Air Defenses

The Air Force F-35 is using “open air” ranges and computer simulation to practice combat missions against the best Chinese and Russian-made air-defense technologies – as a way to prepare to enemy threats anticipated in the mid-2020s and beyond.

The testing is aimed at addressing the most current air defense system threats such as Russian-made systems and also focused on potential next-generation or yet-to-exist threats, Air Force officials said.

Air Force officials have explained that, looking back to 2001 when the JSF threat started, the threats were mostly European centric – Russian made SA-10s or SA-20s. Now the future threats are looking at both Russian and Chinese-made and Asian made threats.

Air Force senior leaders have explained that Russian and Chinese digital SAMS (surface-to-air-missile-systems) can change frequencies an are very agile in how they operate.

Surface threats from air defenses is a tough problem because emerging threats right now can see aircraft hundreds of miles away, service officials explained.

Furthermore, emerging and future Integrated Air Defense Systems use faster computer processors, are better networked to one-another and detect on a wider range of frequencies. These attributes, coupled with an ability to detect aircraft at further distances, make air defenses increasingly able to at times detect even stealth aircraft, in some instances, with surveillance radar.

Russian media reports have recently claimed that stealth technology is useless against their air defenses. Russian built S-300 and S-400 air defenses are believed to be among the best in the world; in addition, The National Interest has reported that Russia is now working on an S-500 system able to destroy even stealthy targets at distances up to 125 miles.

While the Air Force aims to prepare for the unlikely contingency of a potential engagement with near-peer rivals such as Russia or China, Air Force planners recognize that there is much more concern about having to confront an adversary which has purchased air-defense technology from the Russians or Chinese. Air Force F-35 developers emphasize that, while there is no particular conflict expected with any given specific country, the service wants to be ready for any contingency.

While training against the best emerging threats in what Air Force leaders call “open air” ranges looks to test the F-35 against the best current and future air defenses – there is still much more work to be done when it comes to anticipating high-end, high-tech fast developing future threats. This is where modeling and simulation play a huge part in threat preparation, developers said.

The Air Force plans to bring a representation of next-generation threats and weapons to its first weapons school class in 2018.

xxx

http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/story/1656513-f-35-trains-against-russian-air-defenses

 

[asianobserve]

F-35 performance briefing for the US House Armed Services Committee:

 

[square]

F-35 performance briefing for the US House Armed Services Committee:

360 degree senser fussion , 300miles radar range , capable to servive in dense AD environment.....

 

[lcafanboy]

Surprise! Lockheed Martin’s “Expensive” F-35 Now Costs Less than a Boeing F/A-18
Published July 16, 2017 SOURCE:

The Motley Late last year, the then-president elect blasted Lockheed Martin (NYSE:LMT) for charging taxpayers a “tremendous cost” for its F-35 stealth fighter jet. At the time, Lockheed Martin’s cheapest F-35 variant, the F-35A conventional takeoff-and-landing (CTOL) fighter jet, cost about $100 million each — significantly more than fourth-generation fighter jets built by Boeing(NYSE:BA). And so Trump tweeted that, if Lockheed Martin didn’t move quickly to cut the cost of the F-35, he would “price-out a comparable F-18 Super Hornet” from Boeing (NYSE:BA) and buy that instead. (At the time, Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornets were selling for closer to $70 million, and a new Advanced Super Hornet was in the works that would eventually be priced at about $79 million.) F-35 prices have been plummeting ever since. Message received Case in point: Last week, the U.S. Department of Defense announced in its daily digest of defense deals that it has awarded Lockheed Martin a $5.58 billion contract to supply the U.S. Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps with a grand total of 74 new F-35 fighter jets. Specifically, Lockheed Martin will be delivering: 48 F-35A aircraft to the Air Force, 18 F-35B aircraft to the Marine Corps, and eight F-35C aircraft to be split between the Navy and Marine Corps. Now, $5.58 billion probably sounds like a lot of money (because it is). But here’s the crucial fact to keep in mind: At the time President Trump made his infamous F-35 tweet, Lockheed Martin was selling F-35A CTOL fighters for about $100 million apiece. (F-35B short takeoff-and-vertical landing (STOVL) fighters, and F-35C carrier variants cost much, much more). Responding to President Trump’s criticism, however, and helped by economies of scale as it ramped up production, Lockheed had already worked down the price of an F-35A to just $94.6 million by early this year. Granted, F-35Cs were still costing nearly $122 million a pop, and F-35Bs nearly $123 million — but even so, the price for all F-35 variants was coming down rapidly, and moving in the right direction. By June, we heard that the price had fallen even farther, with Lockheed rumored to have inked an 3-year, 11-nation, $40 billion deal to sell as many as 440 F-35 fighter jets (mainly F-35As) to the Pentagon and American allies for prices as low as $80 million. This latest Defense Department purchase shows that F-35s have become even cheaper than that — and ahead of schedule. Military math Here’s how the math works: $5.58 billion in spending to acquire 74 F-35s works out to an average price of just $75.4 million per fighter. That’s even cheaper than the $80 million unit price that was mooted last month. It’s also cheaper than the $79 million unit price that Boeing floated as the likely cost of its new Advanced Super Hornet earlier this year. Even more amazing, more than one third of the F-35s the Pentagon will be buying are of the -B and -C variants — which at last report each cost roughly 30% more than an F-35A. This suggests either that F-35Bs and -Cs are now approaching the lower cost of cheaper F-35As — or that the F-35A itself may now cost even less than $75.4 million. What it means to investors Assuming the $5.58 billion price holds firm (F-35 Joint Program Office spokesman Joe DellaVedova says that the final price for Low Rate Initial Production Lot 11, containing the 74 planes in question, is still being negotiated), this new and improved F-35 price appears to weaken Boeing’s argument for the Pentagon buying F/A-18 fighter jets as a cheaper alternative to Lockheed’s F-35. So what does this mean for investors in Boeing and Lockheed? Well, it’s probably not great news for Boeing, but it doesn’t mean all hope is lost. Boeing just succeeded in securing a commitment from Navy to fund development of its Advanced Super Hornet, after all. And even if Lockheed’s F-35A variant is now price competitive with Boeing’s F/A-18, F-35As still can’t land on aircraft carriers. Meanwhile, F-35Cs — which can land on carriers — probably still cost more than F/A-18s. That said, the lower F-35 prices fall, the smaller Boeing’s price advantage shrinks. If this trend of falling F-35 prices keeps moving the way it’s been going, Lockheed could win this contest yet — and push Boeing out of the fighter jet business for good.

http://idrw.org/surprise-lockheed-martins-expensive-f-35-now-costs-less-boeing-fa-18/#more-141558 .

 

[gadeshi]

Surprise! Lockheed Martin’s “Expensive” F-35 Now Costs Less than a Boeing F/A-18
Published July 16, 2017 SOURCE:

The Motley Late last year, the then-president elect blasted Lockheed Martin (NYSE:LMT) for charging taxpayers a “tremendous cost” for its F-35 stealth fighter jet. At the time, Lockheed Martin’s cheapest F-35 variant, the F-35A conventional takeoff-and-landing (CTOL) fighter jet, cost about $100 million each — significantly more than fourth-generation fighter jets built by Boeing(NYSE:BA). And so Trump tweeted that, if Lockheed Martin didn’t move quickly to cut the cost of the F-35, he would “price-out a comparable F-18 Super Hornet” from Boeing (NYSE:BA) and buy that instead. (At the time, Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornets were selling for closer to $70 million, and a new Advanced Super Hornet was in the works that would eventually be priced at about $79 million.) F-35 prices have been plummeting ever since. Message received Case in point: Last week, the U.S. Department of Defense announced in its daily digest of defense deals that it has awarded Lockheed Martin a $5.58 billion contract to supply the U.S. Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps with a grand total of 74 new F-35 fighter jets. Specifically, Lockheed Martin will be delivering: 48 F-35A aircraft to the Air Force, 18 F-35B aircraft to the Marine Corps, and eight F-35C aircraft to be split between the Navy and Marine Corps. Now, $5.58 billion probably sounds like a lot of money (because it is). But here’s the crucial fact to keep in mind: At the time President Trump made his infamous F-35 tweet, Lockheed Martin was selling F-35A CTOL fighters for about $100 million apiece. (F-35B short takeoff-and-vertical landing (STOVL) fighters, and F-35C carrier variants cost much, much more). Responding to President Trump’s criticism, however, and helped by economies of scale as it ramped up production, Lockheed had already worked down the price of an F-35A to just $94.6 million by early this year. Granted, F-35Cs were still costing nearly $122 million a pop, and F-35Bs nearly $123 million — but even so, the price for all F-35 variants was coming down rapidly, and moving in the right direction. By June, we heard that the price had fallen even farther, with Lockheed rumored to have inked an 3-year, 11-nation, $40 billion deal to sell as many as 440 F-35 fighter jets (mainly F-35As) to the Pentagon and American allies for prices as low as $80 million. This latest Defense Department purchase shows that F-35s have become even cheaper than that — and ahead of schedule. Military math Here’s how the math works: $5.58 billion in spending to acquire 74 F-35s works out to an average price of just $75.4 million per fighter. That’s even cheaper than the $80 million unit price that was mooted last month. It’s also cheaper than the $79 million unit price that Boeing floated as the likely cost of its new Advanced Super Hornet earlier this year. Even more amazing, more than one third of the F-35s the Pentagon will be buying are of the -B and -C variants — which at last report each cost roughly 30% more than an F-35A. This suggests either that F-35Bs and -Cs are now approaching the lower cost of cheaper F-35As — or that the F-35A itself may now cost even less than $75.4 million. What it means to investors Assuming the $5.58 billion price holds firm (F-35 Joint Program Office spokesman Joe DellaVedova says that the final price for Low Rate Initial Production Lot 11, containing the 74 planes in question, is still being negotiated), this new and improved F-35 price appears to weaken Boeing’s argument for the Pentagon buying F/A-18 fighter jets as a cheaper alternative to Lockheed’s F-35. So what does this mean for investors in Boeing and Lockheed? Well, it’s probably not great news for Boeing, but it doesn’t mean all hope is lost. Boeing just succeeded in securing a commitment from Navy to fund development of its Advanced Super Hornet, after all. And even if Lockheed’s F-35A variant is now price competitive with Boeing’s F/A-18, F-35As still can’t land on aircraft carriers. Meanwhile, F-35Cs — which can land on carriers — probably still cost more than F/A-18s. That said, the lower F-35 prices fall, the smaller Boeing’s price advantage shrinks. If this trend of falling F-35 prices keeps moving the way it’s been going, Lockheed could win this contest yet — and push Boeing out of the fighter jet business for good.

http://idrw.org/surprise-lockheed-martins-expensive-f-35-now-costs-less-boeing-fa-18/#more-141558 .

This is a really shady text without clear substantial numbers.
I have 1 interesting question to authors of this:
Will F-35A be cheapper than F/A-18E with or without the engine, like LM tried to fool us earlier?

 

[StealthFlanker]

This is a really shady text without clear substantial numbers.
I have 1 interesting question to authors of this:
Will F-35A be cheapper than F/A-18E with or without the engine, like LM tried to fool us earlier?

Ever since LRIP 10 the cost includes jet engine and fees

 

[gadeshi]

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[lookieloo]

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Oh look! Weapons' bay doors that work!

 

[Vorschlaghammer]

Lockheed partnered with Yakolev right after the soviet union broke, presumably to help finish development of the Yak-141, but they must have gotten some tech for the F35B as part of the deal.

 

[asianobserve]

This is a really shady text without clear substantial numbers.
I have 1 interesting question to authors of this:
Will F-35A be cheapper than F/A-18E with or without the engine, like LM tried to fool us earlier?

Everytime F-35 prices are quoted these are fly-away prices. Due to the massive number of aircrafts ordered by all customers, there is no doubt that the F-35A at least will be cheaper even against current 4th gen fighters. Where the F-35 will have a hard time matching or beating however is the operational cost of 4th gen fighters.

But with a 20 wins against 0 losses against frontline 4th gen fighters in the latest Red Flag, the operational cost difference will be moot and academic.

 

[TPFscopes]

Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR) Thermal Scanning of F-35B during Vertical Thrust.

FLIR common Acronym for Forward Looking Infrared is Thermographic scanning , detecting and imagery process with forward focused Thermographic Cameras usually used majorly in Military application compare to civilian one.

FLIR scans Infrared signature of corresponding frequency of nominal wavelengths corresponds to a frequency range of 300 GHz to maximum 340 Thz , with respect to process they classified in long wave infrared and medium wave Infrared while Below infrared is the microwave portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.

FLIR is used in detection of infrared radiation, typically emitted from a heat source (thermal radiation)thus giving distinct advantage over Visible Light Cameras these systems can see through smoke, fog, haze, and other atmospheric obscurants better than a visible light camera can and are better in compare to radar and sonar applications to create a perfect imagery with analysing the heat signature in particular spot.

 

[Scarface]

Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR) Thermal Scanning of F-35B during Vertical Thrust.

FLIR common Acronym for Forward Looking Infrared is Thermographic scanning , detecting and imagery process with forward focused Thermographic Cameras usually used majorly in Military application compare to civilian one.

FLIR scans Infrared signature of corresponding frequency of nominal wavelengths corresponds to a frequency range of 300 GHz to maximum 340 Thz , with respect to process they classified in long wave infrared and medium wave Infrared while Below infrared is the microwave portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.

FLIR is used in detection of infrared radiation, typically emitted from a heat source (thermal radiation)thus giving distinct advantage over Visible Light Cameras these systems can see through smoke, fog, haze, and other atmospheric obscurants better than a visible light camera can and are better in compare to radar and sonar applications to create a perfect imagery with analysing the heat signature in particular spot.

Now this is something we should have been looking for in our Single Engine Tender, not 4th Gen cheap toys

 

[aditya10r]

Now this is something we should have been looking for in our Single Engine Tender, not 4th Gen cheap toys

You are right,this thing with localized production will cost us some 100 million usd a peice and the tender is gonna worth some 10-12 billion usd,we can have more than 120 of these made in india

 

[BON PLAN]

Ever since LRIP 10 the cost includes jet engine and fees

It's now well known that some long lead time items are not includes.
I don't know the detail of these long time items, but it can be undercarriage (forging parts : long to produce), engine? radar ? ... others?