F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[asianobserve]

Better nose authority ? useless against F16 it seems. F35 was smashed by the F16, even with 2 drop tanks.

Says somebody who does not even know that the aircraft he is peddling still has a brake parachute!

But the latest record of F-35A in Red Flag is 20:1, it had 20 simulated kills against 1 loss of its own.

 

[asianobserve]

Hi Hi HI... change your glasses ! You have made a mistake between F35 and Su35 .....

F35 is very limited. it's not because it makes a lot of noise that it is hightly agile. It is not.

You're the one in blinders. Have you not seen the pedal turn of the F-35 in its Paris demo? The only other non-TVC aircraft that can do that is the Super Hornet.

Rafale is a joke with no low speed maneuvering capabilities. It is outclassed in every parameter, maneuverability, avionics, sensors and soon price. F-35's price is now down to $85 Million, and by 2020 it's projected to be down to $70-75Million.

 

[BON PLAN]

That was before the change in Flight control software

Opposed to Rafale that was smashed by an F-4?

Even a F22 with a young or unskilled pilot can loose against a F5 or F5 or Shooting Star.
It's not because it succeed one time that it is a universal law.

F35 is not an agile plane as LM described it 10 years ago. That is the point.
And it's not because it makes heavy noise in Le Bourget air show that it change something.
It makes a lot of noise, yes, but remains potted

 

[BON PLAN]

Says somebody who does not even know that the aircraft he is peddling still has a brake parachute!

But the latest record of F-35A in Red Flag is 20:1, it had 20 simulated kills against 1 loss of its own.

Because Rafale never used this parachute. And probably it is not installed yet..... But I agree I made a mistake.

20 vs 1 ..... against what kind of opponent? Strange the F35 wasn't invited during the initial Air to Air training during last Trilateral exercise.... afraid to show how it is a bad fighter ?

In fact F35 is not a kind of new F16. It's a kind of new Tornado GR. Needed a real fighter to protect his ass against a modern opponent.

 

[BON PLAN]

Have you not seen the pedal turn of the F-35 in its Paris demo?

Very unsefull ! A fighter in this situation is a perfect turkey in the sky.
It's like cobra manoeuver : a nice and quite motionless target in the sky.

In the two case not necessary to use a missile, a canon burst is largely enough.

 

[BON PLAN]

Rafale is a joke with no low speed maneuvering capabilities. It is outclassed in every parameter, maneuverability

It's why the RAF doesn't want to train against it !
it's why India take 36 of it, and probably more.
etc.....

 

[BON PLAN]

avionics, sensors

Rafale is operationnal NOW, and until 10 years. with AESA, with Meteor next year (last integration fire test made in april), with deterence mission. with...

F35?
see below. The last but not least problem.... fortunately no need of air suply for Le Bourget demo !

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US Marines suspend F-35 flights at Yuma Air Station
(CNN)The US Marine Corps announced Thursday that it would "temporarily suspend" flight operations for 14 F-35B fighters due to software issues.

The jets are from Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 211 based at Air Station Yuma in Arizona.
Maj. Gen. Mark Wise, the commanding general of 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, made the decision to suspend flight operations after "anomalies" were discovered in a recent Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS) software upgrade, the US Marine Corps said in a statement.
"There is nothing wrong with the performance or safety of the aircraft itself, but it is imperative that we ensure the ground-based ALIS system is working properly before flight operations continue," Maj. Kurt Stahl, a spokesman for the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, told CNN in an email.
"The F-35B is a highly capable aircraft with an excellent test and developmental safety record," Stahl added.


NATO jet intercepts Russian minister's plane

Sen. John McCain, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and frequent critic of the F-35's development challenges, said he was "concerned" about the suspension.
"I was concerned to learn that the Marine Corps has suspended F-35B operations at MCAS Yuma due to problems with the aircraft's Autonomic Logistics Information System. I am in close communication with the Marine Corps and Joint Program Office as they work to identify the root cause of these issues and resolve them as quickly as possible," McCain said in a statement.
News of the suspension comes less than a week after the US Air Force's 56th Fighter Wing at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona similarly suspended all flights of its 55 F-35As. The F-35A is the Air Force's variant of the stealth fighter.
The Air Force told CNN that the pause came after five pilots experienced hypoxia-like symptoms. The pilots all used their backup oxygen to land the planes safely.
The two suspensions represent a setback for the $400 billion F-35 program, a long-delayed and over-budget weapons system that's become the Pentagon's most expensive in history.

 

[asianobserve]

Rafale is operationnal NOW, and until 10 years. with AESA, with Meteor next year (last integration fire test made in april), with deterence mission. with...

F35?
see below. The last but not least problem.... fortunately no need of air suply for Le Bourget demo !

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US Marines suspend F-35 flights at Yuma Air Station
(CNN)The US Marine Corps announced Thursday that it would "temporarily suspend" flight operations for 14 F-35B fighters due to software issues.

The jets are from Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 211 based at Air Station Yuma in Arizona.
Maj. Gen. Mark Wise, the commanding general of 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, made the decision to suspend flight operations after "anomalies" were discovered in a recent Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS) software upgrade, the US Marine Corps said in a statement.
"There is nothing wrong with the performance or safety of the aircraft itself, but it is imperative that we ensure the ground-based ALIS system is working properly before flight operations continue," Maj. Kurt Stahl, a spokesman for the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, told CNN in an email.
"The F-35B is a highly capable aircraft with an excellent test and developmental safety record," Stahl added.


NATO jet intercepts Russian minister's plane

Sen. John McCain, chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and frequent critic of the F-35's development challenges, said he was "concerned" about the suspension.
"I was concerned to learn that the Marine Corps has suspended F-35B operations at MCAS Yuma due to problems with the aircraft's Autonomic Logistics Information System. I am in close communication with the Marine Corps and Joint Program Office as they work to identify the root cause of these issues and resolve them as quickly as possible," McCain said in a statement.
News of the suspension comes less than a week after the US Air Force's 56th Fighter Wing at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona similarly suspended all flights of its 55 F-35As. The F-35A is the Air Force's variant of the stealth fighter.
The Air Force told CNN that the pause came after five pilots experienced hypoxia-like symptoms. The pilots all used their backup oxygen to land the planes safely.
The two suspensions represent a setback for the $400 billion F-35 program, a long-delayed and over-budget weapons system that's become the Pentagon's most expensive in history.

The issue is not on the hardware. This is a software issue on F-35's ALIS. And since it is a software issue, there is no need to dismantle an F-35 to figure out the problem. The software engineers will merely look into the software codes to pinpoint the problem and administer the fix.

 

[asianobserve]

20 vs 1 ..... against what kind of opponent? Strange the F35 wasn't invited during the initial Air to Air training during last Trilateral exercise.... afraid to show how it is a bad fighter ?

I can only assume that it engaged F-16s and F15s as aggressors since it was Red Flag.

Re why F-35 did not participate yet on the Trilateral exercise, I am fairly confident that it was because USAF, USN, USMC and international F-35 customers are still developing the tactics and exploring the capabilities of F-35. Soon F-35 will be a mainstay of NATO war games.

But among F-35 customer countries, the F-35 has already been doing cross training with Typhoons, Tornadoes, SH, F16s and other frontline fighters.

In fact F35 is not a kind of new F16. It's a kind of new Tornado GR. Needed a real fighter to protect his ass against a modern opponent.

Here's a rundown of the F-35 capabilities tested in the latest Red Flag:

The recently revealed reports suggest that large-scale F-35A strikes were conducted in a highly contested/denied aerial environment. Air Force F-35As penetrated denied airspace and directed standoff weapons from B-1B heavy bombers flying outside the denied airspace. Those strikes destroyed simulated surface to air weapons systems. This suggests some of the exercises were an example of a “first day of war” scenario where Air Force F-35As spearheaded an attack on a heavily defended target set both in the air and on the ground. The F-35As entered the denied airspace and engaged both aerial and ground targets, not only with weapons they carried but also with weapons launched from other platforms such as the B-1Bs as they loitered just outside the threat environment acting as “bomb trucks.”

At Red Flag 17-1 the F-35A also included additional roles previously reserved for air superiority aircraft like the F-15C Eagle and heavy strike capability from large bombers while even performing “light AWACS” duties.

https://theaviationist.com/2017/02/...nce-with-a-201-kill-ratio-u-s-air-force-says/

 

[BON PLAN]

The issue is not on the hardware. This is a software issue on F-35's ALIS. And since it is a software issue, there is no need to dismantle an F-35 to figure out the problem. The software engineers will merely look into the software codes to pinpoint the problem and administer the fix.

A software of millions code lines.... difficult to solve if it was not well studied before, and the real story demonstrate it was not well studied.

All we see from the F35 software is like they decided to put hundreds more engineers working together on the same software... When you want to built a wall, it takes for exemple 5 days to a worker. If you put 10 workers the job will not been done in half a day.
Same with F35 softaware : too complexe, too huge, badly cut in sub software, lack of coordination between the different staff. it will be difficult to solve. It's why there are so many block, why they are not complying to what they were studied for and why they are so late.

 

[BON PLAN]

I can only assume that it engaged F-16s and F15s as aggressors since it was Red Flag.

Re why F-35 did not participate yet on the Trilateral exercise, I am fairly confident that it was because USAF, USN, USMC and international F-35 customers are still developing the tactics and exploring the capabilities of F-35. Soon F-35 will be a mainstay of NATO war games.

But among F-35 customer countries, the F-35 has already been doing cross training with Typhoons, Tornadoes, SH, F16s and other frontline fighters.



Here's a rundown of the F-35 capabilities tested in the latest Red Flag:





https://theaviationist.com/2017/02/...nce-with-a-201-kill-ratio-u-s-air-force-says/

The plane is so marvellous (and so cheap !) that Canada don't want it. That GB, Italy, and some others are cutting the orders.

I'm just waiting the first exercise between Rafale and F35.

 

[asianobserve]

The plane is so marvellous (and so cheap !) that Canada don't want it. That GB, Italy, and some others are cutting the orders.

I'm just waiting the first exercise between Rafale and F35.

Canada's decision to cancel its F35 order was due to politics. The current government campaigned on cancelling it, but their military want it.

GB and Italy's order changes have nothing to do with F35 capabilities. They are due to those countries' economics ang changing defense programs.

I am however confident that ultimately Canada will buy F35. Already Canada is considering of conducting a new round of selection process including F35.

Re F35 versus Rafale, that would be a boring affair. Rafale will get trashed except if F35 is deliberately restricted.

 

[asianobserve]

A software of millions code lines.... difficult to solve if it was not well studied before, and the real story demonstrate it was not well studied.

All we see from the F35 software is like they decided to put hundreds more engineers working together on the same software... When you want to built a wall, it takes for exemple 5 days to a worker. If you put 10 workers the job will not been done in half a day.
Same with F35 softaware : too complexe, too huge, badly cut in sub software, lack of coordination between the different staff. it will be difficult to solve. It's why there are so many block, why they are not complying to what they were studied for and why they are so late.

Building a wall eh? You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[StealthFlanker]

Even a F22 with a young or unskilled pilot can loose against a F5 or F5 or Shooting Star.
It's not because it succeed one time that it is a universal law.

Yet you keep repeating that one AoA CLAW test between F-16 and F-35.

F35 is not an agile plane as LM described it 10 years ago

Really? and how would you know that? have any E-M diagram of F-35 that you want to share?

 

[Flame Thrower]

A software of millions code lines.... difficult to solve if it was not well studied before, and the real story demonstrate it was not well studied.

All we see from the F35 software is like they decided to put hundreds more engineers working together on the same software... When you want to built a wall, it takes for exemple 5 days to a worker. If you put 10 workers the job will not been done in half a day.
Same with F35 softaware : too complexe, too huge, badly cut in sub software, lack of coordination between the different staff. it will be difficult to solve. It's why there are so many block, why they are not complying to what they were studied for and why they are so late.

@BON PLAN this is a sour comment....

I agree you give good stuff, but everywhere there are software issues....even if the current one was good, it shall be fine tuned(near future) based on the pilot inputs...

Yes, there are lot of software problems to F-35, I agree that....true potential cannot be unveiled without fixing those issues.... but it still is a 5th gen, once issues are resolved then what.....now don't skip this part just by saying dream on....

But, the hard pitch you are giving to Rafale is, in other words a waste when you bring 5th gen to table....

When you talk about an Air Force purchase, it is a lot more than about fighter capabilities....(I am sure you know this, but you wont bring it deliberately)

Pick any scenario, where Rafale can do better than F-35. On one condition, assets to support and counter these planes should not change. If they face head on(both defensive and offensive)...who is going to survive....who has better mission sucess rate...and most important what 5th fighter both face and make their way back to base.

 

[asianobserve]

What intrigues me is the amount of efforts the Russian disinformation apparatus, from trolls to disinformation websites and propaganda news outlets, is exerting to discredit the F-35.

In every F-35 news story you will always see a lot of trolls claiming to be Americans or defense experts disparaging the F-35. Every program issues (like the latest groundings based on software) is being magnified and trumpeted by Russian created websites and news outlets like RT and Sputnik. (Never mind if all weapons development undergo the same developmental phase.) The effort against F-35 is even more massive than what Russia put out against Hillary Clinton.

The aim is clear, to influence the US public opinion to go against F-35 so that it will be discontinued or at least the order minimized.

But why are they doing that when the F-35 is supposed to be an overpriced flying brick? You would think that for all the much trumpeted strategic finesse of Putin and his military generals that they would recognize a strategic blunder on the part of the US and its allies in purchasing F-35 as their next gen mainline fighter. Like what the age old saying goes: DO NOT INTERRUPT YOUR ENEMY WHEN THEY ARE COMMITTING MISTAKES!

So if the F-35 is a worthless pricey flying computer that is unable to climb or turn then why is the whole Russian disinformation campaign apparatus in full force against it? Did the Russia state apparatus all of a sudden discovered an inner love for America and its allies that it is really going out of its way to stop them (US and allies) from wasting money and resources on a substandard fighter?

Your guess guys are good as mine...

 

[Flame Thrower]

What intrigues me is the amount of efforts the Russian disinformation apparatus, from trolls to disinformation websites and propaganda news outlets, is exerting to discredit the F-35.

In every F-35 news story you will always see a lot of trolls claiming to be Americans or defense experts disparaging the F-35. Every program issues (like the latest groundings based on software) is being magnified and trumpeted by Russian created websites and news outlets like RT and Sputnik. (Never mind if all weapons development undergo the same developmental phase.) The effort against F-35 is even more massive than what Russia put out against Hillary Clinton.

The aim is clear, to influence the US public opinion to go against F-35 so that it will be discontinued or at least the order minimized.

But why are they doing that when the F-35 is supposed to be an overpriced flying brick? You would think that for all the much trumpeted strategic finesse of Putin and his military generals that they would recognize a strategic blunder on the part of the US and its allies in purchasing F-35 as their next gen mainline fighter. Like what the age old saying goes: DO NOT INTERRUPT YOUR ENEMY WHEN THEY ARE COMMITTING MISTAKES!

So if the F-35 is a worthless pricey flying computer that is unable to climb or turn then why is the whole Russian disinformation campaign apparatus in full force against it? Did the Russia state apparatus all of a sudden discovered an inner love for America and its allies that it is really going out of its way to stop them (US and allies) from wasting money and resources on a substandard fighter?

Your guess guys are good as mine...

Russia has little or no play in the disinformation campaign going against F 35.

I am saying this with experience, news outlets in our country are doing the same way.

F 35 is projected as Trillion dollar fighter....that itself shows hype and popularity it has....and Americans have lot of interest in defense stuff, thanks to the active wars....any minor problem(by the way, software issues are no minor problems yet not that major and can be solved in time) in f 35 is hyped by media for trp.....

 

[asianobserve]

Marine Corps F-35s at Yuma restart flight operations after software fix is found

The service resumed flight operations on Friday after steps had been taken to “mitigate” problems caused by the ALIS 2.0.2 install, the service said in a news release. According to a corresponding statement sent by the F-35 joint program office, the JPO has isolated the root cause and generated a software fix.

The F-35A and F-35C installed ALIS 2.0.2 in April, but deployment of the new software aboard the F-35Bs lagged slightly behind. After the F-35Bs at Yuma adopted the new version of the logistics system, users found maintenance codes were not always reflected accurately in the system, Maj. Kurt Stahl, director of public affairs with the 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, wrote in a statement on Thursday.

"There is nothing wrong with the performance or safety of the aircraft itself, but it is imperative that we ensure the ground-based ALIS system is working properly before flight operations continue,” he said then.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles...flight-operations-after-software-fix-is-found

 

[BON PLAN]

Building a wall eh? You don't know what you are talking about.

I'm just a plant manager in the mortar and cement trades. So I know that perfectly, believe me.

 

[BON PLAN]

F35 versus Rafale, that would be a boring affair. Rafale will get trashed except if F35 is deliberately restricted.

Sure,
It's why during last international exercise F35 was limited to air to ground missions only.

Probably we have to wait until block 7.Y a hypothetical 9G capacity.