F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[asianobserve]

Lockheed nears $37 billion-plus deal to sell F-35 jet to 11 countries

The sale represents a major shift in sales practices from annual purchases to more economic multi-year deals that lower the cost of each jet.

The pricing of the jets was still not final, although the average price of the 440 jets was expected to be $85 million, the people said on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the negotiations publicly.

The multi-year deal for the fighters will consist of three tranches over fiscal years 2018-2020.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airshow-paris-f-idUSKBN1990S8

 

[asianobserve]

For perspective, the last F-35A order under Lot 10 was $95 Million fly away cost per aircraft.

These figures reflect the flyaway cost of each plane: the price of the airframe, engine, electronics, and other associated costs — basically, the amount it takes to purchase and assemble the parts.

http://www.defenseone.com/business/2017/02/charted-heres-how-cost-each-version-f-35-changing/135451/

 

[Krusty]

No parachute Bro.
Tail is used by Spectra antenna

I didn't expect this from you sir

Did you go through the entire list before posting it?

 

[asianobserve]

F-35 demo practice for Paris Air Show:


This F-35 is still limited to 7Gs under its current 3i software configuration. But when it gets its 3f software it will be able to pull 9Gs.

 

[asianobserve]

This practive appears to be shorter and without touch-and-go.

 

[BON PLAN]

I didn't expect this from you sir

Did you go through the entire list before posting it?

114 : brake parachute.... Never seen before. Sorry ! I apologize.

But never see deployed, this famous parachute.

 

[BON PLAN]

F-35 demo practice for Paris Air Show:


This F-35 is still limited to 7Gs under its current 3i software configuration. But when it gets its 3f software it will be able to pull 9Gs.

explain me why ?
The bird is flying since 2006 (not the prototype, no, the preserial one). 11 years are not enough to clear all the flying envelopp? It's the first thing to be closed.
I'm afraid the bird is limited to 7G for all its life.

Just imagine how funny will be the chinese or russian pilots aboard Mig35, SU30/35, J31 when they meet the Fat35 .... flying around it without problem

Don't forget a war plane is used 99,9% in peace time, to show your muscles. Few muscles in Fat35.

 

[asianobserve]

explain me why ?
The bird is flying since 2006 (not the prototype, no, the preserial one). 11 years are not enough to clear all the flying envelopp? It's the first thing to be closed.
I'm afraid the bird is limited to 7G for all its life.

Just imagine how funny will be the chinese or russian pilots aboard Mig35, SU30/35, J31 when they meet the Fat35 .... flying around it without problem

Don't forget a war plane is used 99,9% in peace time, to show your muscles. Few muscles in Fat35.

You sound bitter, like some Russian trolls I see all the time posting crazy claims on anything F-35.

Whatever you like to believe the F-35 is clearly slowly coming to its full potential as invisioned by its planners, including the price. At its current fly away price it is already cheaper than the Rafale and it has definitely a lot more capabilities than it, even judging from the air demo alone (despite the F-35 being tied down to 7G at the moment).

 

[asianobserve]

@ Bon Plan

Anyway, going back to F-35 demo in Paris, even you a Rafale fanatic will agree that the F-35 has a lot of control authority at low speeds. Notice how the F-35 did a pedal turn much like F-22 and the Russian thrust vectored jets. And F-35 does not have TVC.

 

[asianobserve]

USAF F35A's from The Rude Rams squadron fly low level through the mach loop in Wales for the first time.

 

[BON PLAN]

@ Bon Plan

Anyway, going back to F-35 demo in Paris, even you a Rafale fanatic will agree that the F-35 has a lot of control authority at low speeds. Notice how the F-35 did a pedal turn much like F-22 and the Russian thrust vectored jets. And F-35 does not have TVC.

There is nothing nervous in this demo. The plane is anemic.

 

[BON PLAN]

You sound bitter, like some Russian trolls I see all the time posting crazy claims on anything F-35.

Whatever you like to believe the F-35 is clearly slowly coming to its full potential as invisioned by its planners, including the price. At its current fly away price it is already cheaper than the Rafale and it has definitely a lot more capabilities than it, even judging from the air demo alone (despite the F-35 being tied down to 7G at the moment).

When it was lauched, the promises were :
affordable like a F16 => Has to be proven (we even don't know if it includes engine)
Agile like a F16 => No way. It's clearly not the case.
Stealthy as a F22 => To be seen. Probably true.
Supercruising => No way. Maybe with another engine
with Data fusion => Not totally ready now.

Add problemes with EOTS, not able to fire a moving target and less efficient than old Sniper pod, Pb with cooling (has to open internal bay te refresh), Pb with engine (fire), Pb with wings tips of "C" variant.....

Troll you say? OK. Those are only facts, simply facts.

 

[asianobserve]

When it was lauched, the promises were :
affordable like a F16 => Has to be proven (we even don't know if it includes engine)
Agile like a F16 => No way. It's clearly not the case.
Stealthy as a F22 => To be seen. Probably true.
Supercruising => No way. Maybe with another engine
with Data fusion => Not totally ready now.

Add problemes with EOTS, not able to fire a moving target and less efficient than old Sniper pod, Pb with cooling (has to open internal bay te refresh), Pb with engine (fire), Pb with wings tips of "C" variant.....

Troll you say? OK. Those are only facts, simply facts.

As I said earlier, don't worry about F-35, it's coming out just fine, like the 3F software that is already being tested (http://www.janes.com/article/69744/f-35-drops-pgm-on-a-moving-target-using-block-3f-software)

If I were you I would worry about that 70's era Rafale. After watching the demos of both F-35 and Rafale from the Paris Air Show I realized all of a sudden how old Rafale has become... (very old)

 

[StealthFlanker]

When it was lauched, the promises were :
affordable like a F16 => Has to be proven (we even don't know if it includes engine)

The lastest LRIP prices does include the engine

Agile like a F16 => No way. It's clearly not the case.

F-16 has better STR but F-35 has much better ITR, subsonic acceleration and nose authority at high alpha.

Stealthy as a F22 => To be seen. Probably true.

Much stealthier than Rafale in any case

Supercruising => No way. Maybe with another engine

Mach 1.2 in dry thrust.

Add problemes with EOTS, not able to fire a moving target and less efficient than old Sniper pod

Early block of F-35 lack lead laser capability, however modern laser weapons have built in lead laser capability and the lead laser was added at block 3F anyway,

Instead of relying on weapons like the GBU-49 with a built-in ability to prosecute moving targets, many combat aircraft employ electro-optical targeting systems, or EOTS, with “lead-laser guidance” — which calculates how far a weapon should travel beyond the target’s current location in order to hit it. However, the F-35 EOTS was designed when that tech was still in its its infancy, so while the system can find a moving target, lock onto it and track it, an F-35 pilot still has to predict where a target will move and aim there, Pleus said.

The GBU-49, however, has lead-laser capability built into its front end, so it doesn’t need to rely on the EOTS system for that data, Pleus said. “All it requires is a laser spot on the moving target and the bomb itself will produce the lead necessary to hit the moving target.”

http://www.defensenews.com/articles...rce-is-fixing-the-f-35s-moving-target-problem

EOTS isn't less efficient than old Sniper-XR pod either. Old EOTS has less resolution than the most recent Advanced Sniper-XR but Advanced EOTS with added SWIR sensor is already available for block 4
http://www.lockheedmartin.co.uk/us/products/F-35LightningIIEOTS.html


On the otherhand, Rafale doesn't even have IRST at the moment ( IR sensor removed from OFS) and has to rely on IR sensors of Mica missiles which has even less resolution than DAS.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/radar-and-optronics-will-define-future-rafale-214754/

, Pb with cooling (has to open internal bay te refresh),

That was the problem with Block 2B ages ago.

Troll you say? OK. Those are only facts, simply facts.

More than half of those are poorly researched information

 

[asianobserve]

Early block of F-35 lack lead laser capability, however modern laser weapons have built in lead laser capability and the lead laser was added at block 3F anyway,

I do not think the F-35 has any concern about its laser targeting system. The systems installed on F-35 are way more advanced than current systems installed on Teen series fighters. The problem was more on the software side (which is still in development).

But the introduction of 3f combat software will change that. Recently, an F-35 loaded with 3f software has successfully hit with practice paveway 2 a moving target.

What F-35 3f software does is do all the calculations for the pilot with its LEAD POINT COMPUTE feature. The pilot simply picks a target and F-35s targetting system does all the rest.

http://www.janes.com/article/69744/f-35-drops-pgm-on-a-moving-target-using-block-3f-software

 

[BON PLAN]

F-35 has much better ITR, subsonic acceleration and nose authority at high alpha.

Better nose authority ? useless against F16 it seems. F35 was smashed by the F16, even with 2 drop tanks.

 

[BON PLAN]

As I said earlier, don't worry about F-35, it's coming out just fine, like the 3F software that is already being tested (http://www.janes.com/article/69744/f-35-drops-pgm-on-a-moving-target-using-block-3f-software)

If I were you I would worry about that 70's era Rafale. After watching the demos of both F-35 and Rafale from the Paris Air Show I realized all of a sudden how old Rafale has become... (very old)

Hi Hi HI... change your glasses ! You have made a mistake between F35 and Su35 .....

F35 is very limited. it's not because it makes a lot of noise that it is hightly agile. It is not.

 

[BON PLAN]

Mach 1.2 in dry thrust.

Where? When? no source of that.
F35 is only supercruising in one config : on a LM powerpoint.

 

[StealthFlanker]

Better nose authority ? useless against F16 it seems.

That was before the change in Flight control software

F35 was smashed by the F16, even with 2 drop tanks.

Opposed to Rafale that was smashed by an F-4?

 

[StealthFlanker]

Where? When? no source of that.
F35 is only supercruising in one config : on a LM powerpoint.

The F-35, while not technically a "supercruising" aircraft, can maintain Mach 1.2 for a dash of 150 miles without using fuel-gulping afterburners

http://www.airforce-magazine.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2012/November 2012/1112fighter.aspx