F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[omaebakabaka]

KFX is still much closer to a full stealth than a 4.5 gen
But what make you think normal stealth aircraft can't fly with stealth wingman too?
stealth + very stealth > semi stealth + very stealth
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They all look Raptorish even after almost 20 years....beautiful picture.

 

[panzerfeist1]

Secondly, you confused between the seeker field of regard and the seeker field of view. They are not the same thing. The field of regard is the total degree in vertical and horizontal that the seeker will cover when it complete a full scan. The field of view is the beamwidth,which is the instantaneous volume that the seeker will see when it transmit each pulse

The radar beam of missile still appears wide in field of view and field of regard in that image.. so...uh thanks?

So normally, the field of view of the seeker is around 0.5-1 degree whereas the field of regard is often 60*60 or a full half sphere coverage.
When target is within the detection range of seeker, there is two situation happens.

Got any source that states .5 to 1 degrees please? Air-to-air guided missile RVV-MD | Catalog Rosoboronexport (roe.ru) seeker angle seems a little wide there.

I mean, I do see a 1 degree on one of those beams in that image if that is what you are talking about? But counting all those beams give me a bigger number atleast more than 30 since counting them is screwing with my eyes.

 

[StealthFlanker]

The radar beam of missile still appears wide in field of view and field of regard in that image.. so...uh thanks?
Got any source that states .5 to 1 degrees please? Air-to-air guided missile RVV-MD | Catalog Rosoboronexport (roe.ru) seeker angle seems a little wide there.
I mean, I do see a 1 degree on one of those beams in that image if that is what you are talking about? But counting all those beams give me a bigger number atleast more than 30 since counting them is screwing with my eyes.

This number you see below is the field of regard, and not the field of view

Secondly, the picture is to illustrate how the radar beam steering inside its field of regards, it doesn't mean the seeker will send 30 beams simultaneously

 

[SARTHAK]

KFX is still much closer to a full stealth than a 4.5 gen
But what make you think normal stealth aircraft can't fly with stealth wingman too?
stealth + very stealth > semi stealth + very stealth
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i never said stealth was unneccessary but surely it was overrated ,if kfx like aircraft can do the work then why f35 like super complicated machine which even usa is failing to perfect ,too much emphasis on stealth is not correct ,a balanced approach like kfx must be good in every sense

 

[panzerfeist1]

Thirdly, the detection range you were given is also in perfect situation, but in reality, these stealth aircraft will have jamming asset protecting them, either in the form of fiber optic towed decoy such as ALE-70 or in the form of self propelled decoy like MALD-N, SPEAR-EW or in the form of long range standoff jamming like EA-18G...etc. In any case, the true detection range of missile seeker against stealth aircraft will be much smaller than the stated value, especially consider that stealth and jammer are synergy

What if those missiles come with dual homing say active/passive?

Secondly, the picture is to illustrate how the radar beam steering inside its field of regards, it doesn't mean the seeker will send 30 beams simultaneously

Does the antenna cover that view or the missile radar has to move or steer?

 

[StealthFlanker]

i never said stealth was unneccessary but surely it was overrated ,if kfx like aircraft can do the work then why f35 like super complicated machine which even usa is failing to perfect ,too much emphasis on stealth is not correct ,a balanced approach like kfx must be good in every sense

Because you don't always have perfect datalink to control your wing man, sometime the jamming from enemy make that very hard to do
besides, the stealthier your aircraft, the more safe you can be.

 

[SARTHAK]

Because you don't always have perfect datalink to control your wing man, sometime the jamming from enemy make that very hard to do
besides, the stealthier your aircraft, the more safe you can be.

more more more stealth brings more more more cost more more sophistication to such extent that availability of craft suffers

 

[StealthFlanker]

What if those missiles come with dual homing say active/passive?

Depend on the kind of passive seeker you are talking about: Radio or Infrared?
and if infrared, are we talking about reticle spin sensor or imaging infrared? and if imaging infrared, are we talking about scanning array or staring array

Does the antenna cover that view or the missile radar has to move or steer?

The missile itself doesn't steer aerodynamically, the seeker antenna will steer to cover the field of regard. Just like any normal radar scan

more more more stealth brings more more more cost more more sophistication to such extent that availability of craft suffers

Then it come down to who you are, if you are the pilot then normally you want the best equipment possible
If you are the one who pay for these equipment, then normally you want something cheap enough

 

[SARTHAK]

Depend on the kind of passive seeker you are talking about: Radio or Infrared?
and if infrared, are we talking about reticle spin sensor or imaging infrared? and if imaging infrared, are we talking about scanning array or staring array



The missile itself doesn't steer aerodynamically, the seeker antenna will steer to cover the field of regard. Just like any normal radar scan


Then it come down to who you are, if you are the pilot then normally you want the best equipment possible
If you are the one who pay for these equipment, then normally you want something cheap enough

there needs to be a balance ,f22 is the best then why the quantity is so limited, BALANCE is necessary

 

[panzerfeist1]

Depend on the kind of passive seeker you are talking about: Radio or Infrared?
and if infrared, are we talking about reticle spin sensor or imaging infrared? and if imaging infrared, are we talking about scanning array or staring array

I will go with radio, I will have to research later if the moskva-1 could identify where and when jamming occurs towards missile

 

[StealthFlanker]

I will go with radio, I will have to research later if the moskva-1 could identify where and when jamming occurs towards missile

Passive radio seeker on missile have good instantaneous angular coverage but lack ability to measure range and velocity, so normally it is used as secondary guidance: home on jams
But the biggest problem is that there are just so manything to draw their attention. You don't even need a full size self propelled jammer like Spear-ew or MALD

 

[Fonck83]

IN 2016 Denmark ordered 27 f-35s. The first one just left the factory in a standard ... unusable in operation according to the USAF.

In 2016 India ordered 36 Rafales. Today it has 18 already in operation ...

Fifth batch of Rafale aircrafts arrive in India from France

NEW DELHI: The Indian Air Force (IAF) on Wednesday said the fifth batch of the Rafale aircraft arrived in India after flying a distance of almost 8,000 km from

www.newindianexpress.com

I know it is not comparable. I just note the result.

 

[BON PLAN]

Number of trm module in it

I don't know. highly secret.

 

[BON PLAN]

Around 200 is the casuality in Pakistan may be more now. Many army and police personnels have resigned in favor of protesters against France. Your embassy will be shut down completely there

May I suggest to Macron to definitively close the Pak embassy ? It is useless. Better improving our links with Israel and India. They are interesting peoples, not these speaking monkeys.

 

[Flying Dagger]

May I suggest to Macron to definitively close the Pak embassy ? It is useless. Better improving our links with Israel and India. They are interesting peoples, not these speaking monkeys.

French have guts to stand up against them.. hopefully they don't back out now.

And Irony is Erdogan said Muslims are being lynched like Jews were... Although it was a French school teacher/prof. Samuel patty who was beheaded by Muslim in the most gruesome way possible.

They are zombie on a mission.. whether Indian Muslim or pakistani French or American.

 

[BON PLAN]

French have guts to stand up against them.. hopefully they don't back out now.

And Irony is Erdogan said Muslims are being lynched like Jews were... Although it was a French school teacher/prof. Samuel patty who was beheaded by Muslim in the most gruesome way possible.

They are zombie on a mission.. whether Indian Muslim or pakistani French or American.

Last time I wrote the following sentence, I was ban from https://**********/ :

The muslim are 2 billion on earth. They gained 2 nobel prizes.
The jews are nearly 15 millions. They gained 194 nobel prizes.

So 13000 more times for a jew than for a muslim. All is said. Most of them are all but non interesting.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Last time I wrote the following sentence, I was ban from https://**********/ :

The muslim are 2 billion on earth. They gained 2 nobel prizes.
The jews are nearly 15 millions. They gained 194 nobel prizes.

So 13000 more times for a jew than for a muslim. All is said. Most of them are all but non interesting.

You can add Indians to the list too....but it depends on whether you believe in Nobel prize for its objectivity....not the best barometer. Lot of egyptians and iranians public research material but most are based in west. Indians publish lot of stuff from india a lot from abroad.

 

[BON PLAN]

SO GOOD !!! (specially for a french, or a greek...)

US officially removes Turkey from F-35 fighter jet program: state-run media - Turkish Minute

The US Department of Defense has officially notified Ankara of Turkey's removal from the F-35 stealth fighter development and training program due to is procurement of a Russian missile defense system, the state-run Anadolu news agency reported.

www.turkishminute.com

in the a** Erdogan !

 

[BON PLAN]

You can add Indians to the list too....but it depends on whether you believe in Nobel prize for its objectivity....not the best barometer. Lot of egyptians and iranians public research material but most are based in west. Indians publish lot of stuff from india a lot from abroad.

among the sole 2 muslim nobel prize , one was for an iranian.

 

[Vinod DX9]

Once Soviet had a plan for VTOL Stealth Fighter Jet !