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Don't worry Israel is fully aware and there is nothing much they can do. UAE will get the F-35
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
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Immanuel
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Haha these niggas don't know crap, none outside the operators of the F-35 know it's true combat signature. It never flies anywhere without it's Luneberg lenses.US’ F-35s Jets Not Really Stealth As German, Russian Firms Expose Its Loopholes
US’ F-35s Jets Not Really Stealthy As German, Russian Firms Expose Its Loopholes
If there are any aircraft that are most sought-out for anywhere across the world, they are America’s elite set of F-35 fifth-generation stealth jets. Renowned for their stealth technology, the jets have enabled the US to stamp absolute air dominance as it provides the Air Force, Navy, and...eurasiantimes.com
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Because Dasaault habbit is to be on time, on delay, on budget. It's not the case of LM. It wasn't the case of Eurofighter Gmbh.
Why do you think Germany leave to Dassault so easily the leadership of the SCAF ? Because Rafale is a technical success and despite a 6 years slip of the programm due to political decisions, it only slip in budget from 4%
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No body gives two shits about Dassault, no one is lining up to buy it's products. Except India.
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My old bro Immanuel.... Your Dassault bashing let you blind.
Dassault is expecting orders from :
New indian batch (at least).
New Egyptian batch (thanks to the Turkish opposition in Lybia).
An order, maybe as soon a september, from Greece (same).
An order from Switzerland, where the bird is very appreciated.
Finland will be a difficult market. Probably given to SH18, but why not.
Next? Morocco. UAE.
Egypt Sidelines Rafale Jets For SU-35s; Claims Only Russian Jets Can Match US/Israeli War Planes
After procuring 24 Rafale fighter jets from France, Egypt has received the first order of Russian Sukhoi Su-35 jet fighters. As per reports, the key objective of Egypt to acquire Su-35s over Rafale jets was that the Russian heavy-weight jets can outperform the Israeli and US warplanes in the...
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Could only find this on any new Egypt orders. Need new order source or evidence.
Greece would like to acquire 12 Rafale planes - Meta-Defense.fr
www.meta-defense.fr
Not confirmed yet by either party. Maybe column.
Poll Shows Swiss Back $6.6 Billion Plan to Buy New Fighter Jets
Swiss voters are set to approve a 6 billion Swiss franc ($6.6 billion) purchase of new fighter jets in a referendum next month, a poll for broadcaster SRF showed on Thursday.
The citizens want new fighter jets and it's an open competition, so maybe column.
Finland’s $12 billion fighter plan dodges the post-pandemic budget ax
The economic impact of the coronavirus crisis, which has forced the government to significantly increase international borrowings and further load national debt, was feared to have a negative bearing of the military's HX project.
www.defensenews.com
Finland also open competition, so maybe.
Not finding anything for Morocco. UAE would possibly go for Rafale, but only because they are angry for not getting F-35. They might even go for Russian fighters.
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Greece would like to acquire 12 Rafale planes - Meta-Defense.fr
Not confirmed yet by either party. Maybe column.
L'hypothèse d'un achat d'avions Rafale par la Grèce refait surface - Zone Militaire
En 2008, le groupement d'intérêt économique composé de Dassault Aviation, Safran Aircraft Engines et Thales, avait ouvert un bureau à Athènes afin de
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The hypothesis of a purchase of Rafale planes by Greece resurfaces
No firm inquiry. Just maybe and might have, and offering 12 used older models for free. I'm again being generous putting this in the maybe column.L'hypothèse d'un achat d'avions Rafale par la Grèce refait surface - Zone Militaire
En 2008, le groupement d'intérêt économique composé de Dassault Aviation, Safran Aircraft Engines et Thales, avait ouvert un bureau à Athènes afin de
The hypothesis of a purchase of Rafale planes by Greece resurfaces
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Jerusalem (AFP)
Amidst all the diplomatic back-slapping, the Israel-UAE accord faces its first hiccup: the possible sale of American F-35s to Abu Dhabi that could challenge the Israeli technological edge in the Middle East.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu welcomed "our wonderful friend (US Secretary of State) Mike" Pompeo to his Jerusalem office on Monday at the start of a regional tour inspired by the American-backed August 13 accord.
After a show of common ground on the perceived threat from Iran, the arch-foe of both countries, the Israeli leader turned the focus on US arms sales to the United Arab Emirates.
Israel and the UAE say they want to promote trade, especially the sale of Emirati oil to Israel and Israeli technology to the UAE, establish direct air links and boost tourism.
Netanyahu has denied reports that the UAE deal hinges on the sale of US F-35 stealth warplanes to the Emirates, saying he opposes a move that could reduce Israel's strategic edge in the region.
"This deal did not include Israel's acceptance of any arms deal," he said Monday.
Ever since the 1960s, the United States has guaranteed to maintain Israel's "qualitative military edge" in the region.
The policy was enhanced two years ago with a law that Washington must ensure, when selling weapons to another country in the Middle East, that Israel retains the ability to defend itself if the arms were to fall into the wrong hands.
- 'Should be easier' -
Israel has already received a first consignment of F-35s, a fighter also coveted by Gulf powers including the UAE.
Abu Dhabi "has indicated that it wants the F-35. I think the first time was six years ago, so this is something on the table," the UAE minister of state for foreign affairs, Anwar Gargash, told US think tank the Atlantic Council.
"Now the whole idea of, you know, a state of belligerency or war with Israel will no longer exist. So I think it should be... easier," he said.
For Yoel Guzansky, a senior analyst at Israel's Institute for National Security Studies, there is no doubt of the importance of the F-35s.
"I absolutely think that without the F-35, the possibility of buying it, they (the Emiratis) wouldn't sign the (normalisation) agreement," he told AFP.
"This is a big hurdle to the fulfilment of the agreement," he said.
In Israel itself, the political class is divided over the possible sale of the state-of-the-art multi-role combat aircraft by the Jewish state's closest ally.
"Let me remind you that the US sold Turkey and Iran, before the (1979 Islamic) revolution, very sophisticated weaponry, and now these countries are hostile towards Israel," said Guzansky.
"The UAE is not hostile but things might happen. Maybe the regime will fall," he said, also pointing to concerns over espionage by neighbouring Iran, which has a large expatriate community in the UAE.
- 'Certain arrangements' -
Experts believe a deal can be struck to the satisfaction of both Israel and the UAE, and ultimately Saudi Arabia, a longtime customer of US armaments.
"Although this is not really public, from what I understand arrangements are being made that the version that the Arab country gets is not the absolute latest version," said Joshua Teitelbaum, a Gulf specialist at Israel's Bar-Ilan University.
"I think there are certain arrangements in all these cases that in the end Israel is satisfied," he said, referring to past behind-the-scenes accords on the sale of American F-15s to Saudi Arabia and Israel.
Standing alongside Netanyahu, Pompeo said Washington has ways to service its Arab and Jewish allies at the same time.
"The United States has a legal requirement with respect to (Israel's) qualitative military edge. We will continue to honour that," he said.
But Washington would "continue to make sure that we're delivering them (the UAE) the equipment that they need to secure and defend their own people" against Iran.
amp.france24.com
Amidst all the diplomatic back-slapping, the Israel-UAE accord faces its first hiccup: the possible sale of American F-35s to Abu Dhabi that could challenge the Israeli technological edge in the Middle East.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu welcomed "our wonderful friend (US Secretary of State) Mike" Pompeo to his Jerusalem office on Monday at the start of a regional tour inspired by the American-backed August 13 accord.
After a show of common ground on the perceived threat from Iran, the arch-foe of both countries, the Israeli leader turned the focus on US arms sales to the United Arab Emirates.
Israel and the UAE say they want to promote trade, especially the sale of Emirati oil to Israel and Israeli technology to the UAE, establish direct air links and boost tourism.
Netanyahu has denied reports that the UAE deal hinges on the sale of US F-35 stealth warplanes to the Emirates, saying he opposes a move that could reduce Israel's strategic edge in the region.
"This deal did not include Israel's acceptance of any arms deal," he said Monday.
Ever since the 1960s, the United States has guaranteed to maintain Israel's "qualitative military edge" in the region.
The policy was enhanced two years ago with a law that Washington must ensure, when selling weapons to another country in the Middle East, that Israel retains the ability to defend itself if the arms were to fall into the wrong hands.
- 'Should be easier' -
Israel has already received a first consignment of F-35s, a fighter also coveted by Gulf powers including the UAE.
Abu Dhabi "has indicated that it wants the F-35. I think the first time was six years ago, so this is something on the table," the UAE minister of state for foreign affairs, Anwar Gargash, told US think tank the Atlantic Council.
"Now the whole idea of, you know, a state of belligerency or war with Israel will no longer exist. So I think it should be... easier," he said.
For Yoel Guzansky, a senior analyst at Israel's Institute for National Security Studies, there is no doubt of the importance of the F-35s.
"I absolutely think that without the F-35, the possibility of buying it, they (the Emiratis) wouldn't sign the (normalisation) agreement," he told AFP.
"This is a big hurdle to the fulfilment of the agreement," he said.
In Israel itself, the political class is divided over the possible sale of the state-of-the-art multi-role combat aircraft by the Jewish state's closest ally.
"Let me remind you that the US sold Turkey and Iran, before the (1979 Islamic) revolution, very sophisticated weaponry, and now these countries are hostile towards Israel," said Guzansky.
"The UAE is not hostile but things might happen. Maybe the regime will fall," he said, also pointing to concerns over espionage by neighbouring Iran, which has a large expatriate community in the UAE.
- 'Certain arrangements' -
Experts believe a deal can be struck to the satisfaction of both Israel and the UAE, and ultimately Saudi Arabia, a longtime customer of US armaments.
"Although this is not really public, from what I understand arrangements are being made that the version that the Arab country gets is not the absolute latest version," said Joshua Teitelbaum, a Gulf specialist at Israel's Bar-Ilan University.
"I think there are certain arrangements in all these cases that in the end Israel is satisfied," he said, referring to past behind-the-scenes accords on the sale of American F-15s to Saudi Arabia and Israel.
Standing alongside Netanyahu, Pompeo said Washington has ways to service its Arab and Jewish allies at the same time.
"The United States has a legal requirement with respect to (Israel's) qualitative military edge. We will continue to honour that," he said.
But Washington would "continue to make sure that we're delivering them (the UAE) the equipment that they need to secure and defend their own people" against Iran.
F-35 hiccup on road to Israel-UAE accord - France 24
F-35 hiccup on road to Israel-UAE accord
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Except for India, the rest are up in the air. UAE, Finland and Swiss will most likely buy American. Egypt has no money. Morocco just bought new F-16Vs. Sorry homie but apart from a couple potential orders, I don't see Rafale surviving the crunch in the next decade.
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Switzerland will be the next new customer. BUT A SURPRISE CAN OCCUR IN SEPTEMBER WITH GREECE.....
Morocco has Mirage F1 to replace. They perfectly know that F16 even V even with AMRAAM D is short vs the Alerian air force. They need another bird, and need not to rely only on US.
Finland is the most difficult market. Rafale is the black horse of the competition.
Greece in talks with France over fighter jets, as East Med tensions rise - source
Greece is in talks with France and other countries over arms purchases to boost its armed forces, a government official told Reuters on Tuesday, as tensions grow over energy resources in the Eastern Mediterranean region.
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It's early to say for Swiss, not easy for Swiss to buy the Rafale with US being dominant globally in fighter sales and diplomatic push. Swiss already operate the F-18, so Block-3 SH has a good chance here along side the F-35. Also Swiss have a big enough trade imbalance with the US in order to give into US demands.Switzerland will be the next new customer. BUT A SURPRISE CAN OCCUR IN SEPTEMBER WITH GREECE.....
Morocco has Mirage F1 to replace. They perfectly know that F16 even V even with AMRAAM D is short vs the Alerian air force. They need another bird, and need not to rely only on US.
Finland is the most difficult market. Rafale is the black horse of the competition.
Greece in talks with France over fighter jets, as East Med tensions rise - source
Greece is in talks with France and other countries over arms purchases to boost its armed forces, a government official told Reuters on Tuesday, as tensions grow over energy resources in the Eastern Mediterranean region.www.reuters.com
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F35 trials were not very satisfied... not agile enough (mountains !), ascending rate too short, max speed short, radar not completely satisfied in montains area. Stealth useless in that use (A to A only, in a defensive job).
SH18 is a serious contender. But the low disponibility during trials was not appreciated. And it's less agile than legacy F18 !
Rafale trials, as EF ones, xere without return (good or bad). The swiss seem to apprecaite that the road map of the Rafale is in line according to what was said in 2011.... not the case of EF (AESA radars are more than late).
The game will be between Rafale and SH18.
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Sorry but no evidence of your first lines about the F-35. Nothing but useless hot air, there is not one reliable source that can confirm any of it. Let's see where the Swiss finally put their money. The F-35 isn't out till it's officially out. Eitherway, both the F-35 and F-18 Block 3 bid will have strong backing by Trump admin which is quite good at closing deals.
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Few links between Switzerland and USA. I highly doubt a coup de force from Donald will have a positive issue.
On the other hand, the relationship between France and Switzerland is far better than in 2011 (Sarkozy puted high pressure on Swiss bank secrecy.... useless and clumsy)
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I am about 99.999% sure that you pulled these claims out of your ass.
Given that F-35 radar aperture is basically twice the size of Rafale, and about 25% bigger than F-18SH, if F-35 radar was unsatisfied then Rafale and F-18SH's radar would be total trash. And stealth would be rather useful in A2A. As about things like agile and acceleration rate, F-35 is at very least as agile as F-18 and can accelerate much faster. So if they are unsatisfied with F-35 then how could F-18SH even a serious contender?
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You think all that you want. Your opinion doesn't matter to me.
You wife hasn't explained you that size is one thing and how you use it another? Same for radar.
USA is not specially mad of sharp mountains.... And F35 not specially made to low level.
France far more, and as the Rafale use the low altitude flight for penetration, it is a very well refined mode of our radars since the Antilope radar of M2000N.
"F-35 is at very least as agile as F-18" so laughable..... you are blind bro. 1ccelaration probably. Agility..... F35 was deeply beaten by a F16D with external tanks.....
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Silly Hill-Billy
Switzerland ranked No. 8 in total trade value through June with a total of $48.31 billion. Exports totaled $7.24 billion and Imports totaled $41.07 billion, a deficit of $33.83 billion.
U.S. trade with Switzerland tops $86.95 billion through December 2021
Switzerland’s trade with the United States fell 6.33 percent, from $92.83 billion to $86.95 billion in 2021 when compared to the same period the previous year, according to a WorldCity analysis of latest U.S. Census Bureau data.
www.ustradenumbers.com
Defecit is pretty high, there will be a polite request by Trump admin to reduce this so the F-18 block 3 or F-35 have a better chance than Rafale.
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Photographer Snaps Images Of Two-Ship RAF F-35B Lightning Aircraft Flying Low Level through the Lake District
This was the first ever time a two-ship F-35B was spotted at low level in the Low Flying Area 17. On Jun. 11, 2020, two F-35B Lightning aircraft belonging
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You're about the silliest nigga on the board. The F-35 on a daily basis flies more low level missions than the entire Rafale fleet put together. It's VLO stealth, so low level tactics will be part and parcel of this aircraft.
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F-35 tearing up the Starwars canyon. From the outset the USAF spends more time than anybody on low level flight having the largest flying ranges for such training. All Teens fly daily in these rough and rugged terrains. It's also a no brainer that a VLO stealth aircraft specially designed for air to ground ability will rely on a lot of low level tactics to manage their signature effectively while carefully avoiding potentially ambush situations.
Rafale does it well but F-35 does it better.
