F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[Emperor Kalki]

My educated guess is that most of that power is directed and available for it's radar and EW systems. For example from the f35.com website:



While the actual jamming power of the BAE ASQ-239 EW suite is unknown, the fact that a single F-35 is a more potent jammer than dedicated legacy EW fighters such as the EA-18G growler means that the F-35 has more jamming power than the Growler which can carry 5 ALQ-99 jamming pods each of which has an output of 10.8 KW.

It didn't say that a single f 35 can jam better than a growler. It said adding more f 35s (as it can jam and and play other roles and is stealthier) in a high threat environment is more effective than adding more growler type (mission specific, single role and non stealthy)....

 

[Bhurki]

AF Tests F-35, Stealth Fleet For Integrated Electronic Warfare

AF Tests F-35, Stealth Fleet For Integrated Electronic Warfare - Breaking Defense

"Many believe that stealth is perishable," says Teal Group's Richard Aboulafia, thus increasing the need for suppression of enemy air defenses. Of course, a key requirement for the F-35 is that it can take out advanced air defenses.

breakingdefense.com

The Air Force just wrapped up a first-of-its-kind test to hone how stealthy aircraft can work in tandem in highly contested airspace — with the F-35A providing critical anti-air defense cover for older aircraft, including the B-2 bomber and the highly classified RQ-170 surveillance drone.

“Most people don’t think of F-35s as electronic warfare aircraft—but they are, and they are incredibly capable,” Mark Gunzinger, director for future concepts and technology assessments at the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies.

“F-35s have EW suites that can detect emissions from radars and other threats, classify and geolocate them, and then distribute threat data to other aircraft. They can also perform active EW tasks such as standoff jamming of airborne and surface threats. Their active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars can also conduct electronic attacks,” he explained.

 

[BON PLAN]

I have a question related to Israeli F-35's. Has Israel modified the basic F-35 export variant according to their need?

Yes.
The electronic support is israeli's. And maybe be some more modifications....

 

[BON PLAN]

“F-35s have EW suites that can detect emissions from radars and other threats, classify and geolocate them, and then distribute threat data to other aircraft. They can also perform active EW tasks such as standoff jamming of airborne and surface threats” he explained.

AS ALL THE MODERN FIGHTERS .....

 

[BON PLAN]

Yes.
The electronic support is israeli's. And maybe be some more modifications....

electronic counter measures. Sorry.
As the F16I (sure) and probably F15I

 

[Sridhar_TN]

AF Tests F-35, Stealth Fleet For Integrated Electronic Warfare

AF Tests F-35, Stealth Fleet For Integrated Electronic Warfare - Breaking Defense

"Many believe that stealth is perishable," says Teal Group's Richard Aboulafia, thus increasing the need for suppression of enemy air defenses. Of course, a key requirement for the F-35 is that it can take out advanced air defenses.

breakingdefense.com

The Air Force just wrapped up a first-of-its-kind test to hone how stealthy aircraft can work in tandem in highly contested airspace — with the F-35A providing critical anti-air defense cover for older aircraft, including the B-2 bomber and the highly classified RQ-170 surveillance drone.

“Most people don’t think of F-35s as electronic warfare aircraft—but they are, and they are incredibly capable,” Mark Gunzinger, director for future concepts and technology assessments at the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies.

“F-35s have EW suites that can detect emissions from radars and other threats, classify and geolocate them, and then distribute threat data to other aircraft. They can also perform active EW tasks such as standoff jamming of airborne and surface threats. Their active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars can also conduct electronic attacks,” he explained.

Rafales have been sucking up Trons in the air for a long time. They’ve been gathering electronic intelligence as far back as 2004.
F35 is just new to the game.

 

[Bhurki]

Rafales have been sucking up Trons in the air for a long time. They’ve been gathering electronic intelligence as far back as 2004.
F35 is just new to the game.

I don' think you read the article.
It is about 'integrated' test with B-2 and Rq-170, including things like surrogate targeting and target-handoff.
F-35 doesn't need to build up electronic signature libraries from ground up. It already includes decades of NATO signature libraries as base code. Infact, library update for threat signatures happens almost instantaneously in F-35 as soon any other aircraft in the fleet picks up on something new. This is the difference as compared to legacy aircraft where libraries were compiled and maintained on the ground.
The stealthy Rq-170, B-2 can soak up data and transmit to F-35 for targrting.

 

[Bhurki]

F35 is just new to the game.

I don't think we can call it new anymore.

Aug'2020 update

Total built - 555
Total Flight Hours - 309,000

 

[BON PLAN]

I don't think we can call it new anymore.

Aug'2020 update

Total built - 555
Total Flight Hours - 309,000

A only IOC jet can't be called mature.
It will be a newbie forver....

 

[Sridhar_TN]

I don' think you read the article.
It is about 'integrated' test with B-2 and Rq-170, including things like surrogate targeting and target-handoff.
F-35 doesn't need to build up electronic signature libraries from ground up. It already includes decades of NATO signature libraries as base code. Infact, library update for threat signatures happens almost instantaneously in F-35 as soon any other aircraft in the fleet picks up on something new. This is the difference as compared to legacy aircraft where libraries were compiled and maintained on the ground.
The stealthy Rq-170, B-2 can soak up data and transmit to F-35 for targrting.

Quick question. How would instantaneous update happen to the library without necessary verification and sign offs. Almost most modern aircraft including the rafale continually record and classify electronic signatures on the go. Which is why it has a powerful mdpu inside a single aircraft to collate and classify multiple sensor input for a single source. Data sharing also means that the rafale would share the same processed data to other aircraft. This is what dassault claims.
One that data is stored, there is a lot of verification process before said Air Force can officially update a threat library. This is my understanding.
I really don’t see the advantage of the F35 here compared to the likes of other 4++aircraft. The only advantage I see for the F35 is the USAF has integrated not just the F35, but also scores of other ground and airborne platforms, such that it is able to get a tactical picture even before take off.
Regarding target hand-off’s, that is a totally different ball game. You need a truly integrated air command to be able to execute it. Only the USAF is capable of it at this stage. Which is why a lot of ‘experts’ keep saying, the F35 can never fully be utilized by other nations.

Yes, it’s widely accepted that the F35 is capable of receiving targeting information from a wide variety of aircraft, ground based systems and even naval platforms.

All the IS Air Force is lacking now is a long range BVR similar to the meteor, for them to be able to fully exploit the F35.

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Quick question. How would instantaneous update happen to the library without necessary verification and sign offs. Almost most modern aircraft including the rafale continually record and classify electronic signatures on the go. Which is why it has a powerful mdpu inside a single aircraft to collate and classify multiple sensor input for a single source. Data sharing also means that the rafale would share the same processed data to other aircraft. This is what dassault claims.
One that data is stored, there is a lot of verification process before said Air Force can officially update a threat library. This is my understanding.
I really don’t see the advantage of the F35 here compared to the likes of other 4++aircraft. The only advantage I see for the F35 is the USAF has integrated not just the F35, but also scores of other ground and airborne platforms, such that it is able to get a tactical picture even before take off.
Regarding target hand-off’s, that is a totally different ball game. You need a truly integrated air command to be able to execute it. Only the USAF is capable of it at this stage. Which is why a lot of ‘experts’ keep saying, the F35 can never fully be utilized by other nations.

Yes, it’s widely accepted that the F35 is capable of receiving targeting information from a wide variety of aircraft, ground based systems and even naval platforms.

All the IS Air Force is lacking now is a long range BVR similar to the meteor, for them to be able to fully exploit the F35.

US*. Not IS. Autocorrect on my phone is extremely playful.

 

[asianobserve]

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Yup. That is an elbit product. The helmet. Israeli.

 

[Bhurki]

Quick question. How would instantaneous update happen to the library without necessary verification and sign offs. Almost most modern aircraft including the rafale continually record and classify electronic signatures on the go. Which is why it has a powerful mdpu inside a single aircraft to collate and classify multiple sensor input for a single source. Data sharing also means that the rafale would share the same processed data to other aircraft. This is what dassault claims.
One that data is stored, there is a lot of verification process before said Air Force can officially update a threat library. This is my understanding.
I really don’t see the advantage of the F35 here compared to the likes of other 4++aircraft. The only advantage I see for the F35 is the USAF has integrated not just the F35, but also scores of other ground and airborne platforms, such that it is able to get a tactical picture even before take off.
Regarding target hand-off’s, that is a totally different ball game. You need a truly integrated air command to be able to execute it. Only the USAF is capable of it at this stage. Which is why a lot of ‘experts’ keep saying, the F35 can never fully be utilized by other nations.

Yes, it’s widely accepted that the F35 is capable of receiving targeting information from a wide variety of aircraft, ground based systems and even naval platforms.

All the IS Air Force is lacking now is a long range BVR similar to the meteor, for them to be able to fully exploit the F35.

What F-35 brings to the table is extremely powerful core processing right up to the jet.
Obvio the libraries are certified on the ground, but majority of target signature computattion which used to be done on the ground has now moved up to the sky.
This comprehensively shortens the OODA loop.
For more info on targeting, read about IBCS and IAMD.
Also, the US does have meteor equivalent missile in development. Its called LREW (long range engagement weapon), designation AIM-260, it has undergone various flight trials since last year and promises atleast 100% organic growth in range.

 

[LDev]

Also, the US does have meteor equivalent missile in development. Its called LREW (long range engagement weapon), designation AIM-260, it has undergone various flight trials since last year and promises atleast 100% organic growth in range.

AIM-260 is a separate AAM from the LREW, the former is developed by Lockheed Martin and the latter by Raytheon. Being a stealth fighter with a formidable defensive/offensive EW suite, the F-35 can get much closer to the target than a 4th Gen aircraft and so does not need a long range AAM as urgently as 4th Gen fighters such as the F-16, F-15, F-18 or the Rafale or Eurofighter Typhoon.

I believe that the Meteor integration with the F-35 is being driven primarily for non US operators of the F-35, primarily European NATO members such as the UK, Italy, Netherlands etc. I don't think the Meteor will become a primary long range AAM for the USAF which will transition from the AIM-120D to the AIM-260 for the F-35.

 

[asianobserve]

Yup. That is an elbit product. The helmet. Israeli.

F-35 helmet is a joint venture between Rockwell Collins and Elbit of America (US subsidiary of Israel's Elbit).

 

[Immanuel]

A only IOC jet can't be called mature.
It will be a newbie forver....

Israel Now Has Two Combat Ready F-35 Squadrons

With a storied past, 116 Squadron becomes the second combat-coded “Adir” unit in the Israeli Air Force.

www.thedrive.com

Non sense, FOC is depended on the respective Air forces. Israel declares their 2 F-35s squadrons as FOC. So chill. Similarly Japan, South Korea, Italy, UK, Norway have IOC.

Even Rafale in India will take till 2023 to be FOC since ISE specific Rafale arrives in India last. IAF could declare IOC in a few months after several hundreds of hours later this year or early next.

Full Operational capability will depend on each countries' needs and many of the European airforces are waiting for integration of Asraam, Meteor, Spear, JSM, B-61 MK-12 (nuke bomb) to declare FOC which is a normal thing as every airforce has different needs.

 

[Bhurki]

Israel Now Has Two Combat Ready F-35 Squadrons

With a storied past, 116 Squadron becomes the second combat-coded “Adir” unit in the Israeli Air Force.

www.thedrive.com

Non sense, FOC is depended on the respective Air forces. Israel declares their 2 F-35s squadrons as FOC. So chill. Similarly Japan, South Korea, Italy, UK, Norway have IOC.

Even Rafale in India will take till 2023 to be FOC since ISE specific Rafale arrives in India last. IAF could declare IOC in a few months after several hundreds of hours later this year or early next.

Full Operational capability will depend on each countries' needs and many of the European airforces are waiting for integration of Asraam, Meteor, Spear, JSM, B-61 MK-12 (nuke bomb) to declare FOC which is a normal thing as every airforce has different needs.

Please let him be happy at his paradise. He probably still believes F-35 is a 'turkey'.

Besides, the FOC certification in USAF is so hard to achieve because of excessively high bar that has been set.
The equivalent of FOC in operational terms is FWC or Full Warfighting Capability.

FWC falls short of Full Operational Capability (FOC) for the USAF’s F-35A, which requires additional force-wide requirements to be met, but is a significant milestone on the path to FOC.

That means it doesn't matter if 990 of 1000 aircraft have FWC or every bell and whistle, but if the last 10 units don't, then the fighter is not FOC, even when 990 are fully qualified to the latest Blocks and capable of doing everything. So obviously it takes more time to get FOC since every aircraft needs to be brought upto the latest block s/w and h/w.

Here is an entire 'wing' of 78 F-35A achieving FWC in USAF upto latest Blocks and every mission capability present -

First F-35A Base Achieves Full Warfighting Capability | AIN

Hill AFB in Utah is the first operational U.S. Air Force base to receive its full complement of Lockheed Martin F-35As.

www.ainonline.com

For smaller air forces, its easy because the fleet of the same type is small, like 30-40 F-35 with Israel, since upgrades flow easily and quickly. But usa has to add upgrades to every of the 400+ aircraft already bought to call F-35 FOC, and it is the massive production and modification bottleneck, not technology bottleneck, that pushes the timeline ahead.

 

[Bhurki]

Being delivered like hot cakes..
13 F-35/week

 

[BangaliBabu]

Being delivered like hot cakes..
13 F-35/week


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They prepare for 365I war. It's unusual for you or me or to any Indian, leave alone our "strategic planners", but they do. Before WW2, they were in the same precarious position analogous to us of today — Germany to the East, Japan (and future Soviet Union) to the West.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt had the foresight and the political charisma to propel a weak nation towards war. Moreover, the atomic bomb of those times was just beginning to take shape with no surety of their success with relatively untested technologies and with no knowledge of how militarily advanced the Germans and Japs were in their nuclear efforts. Americans just recovered from a phase of Great Depression too.

Still they pulled off a nearly unwinnable war with great losses to men and personal sufferings of many millions more. That's why they have the Arlington War Memorial for the Unknown Soldier. It's true their losses were uncountable and many fallen couldn't be found even after decades of search when WW2 ended.

Their mind, the American mind, as of today, strategically doesn't work the way we usually think. It's not even a century after WW2!! What do you think any self-respecting country that has won a war against every odds be complacent after their win?? No, they won't.

And coupled with that, when the nukes came, ie, when the Soviets started making their own nukes on stolen American research, they were right to be apprehensive of their country being blown to smithereens by Commie nukes. Because? Had the Soviets ran over the Japs on their East after smacking the Wehrmacht on their West, without the Americans making any significant headway into the Pacific, they really had set their eyes upto the Rockies.

Stalin's personal ambitions didn't just extend to perfecting a Soviet nuke, he intended to ensure his global wet dream of a unified world Soviet Union by teaching the Americans a lesson by nibbling away the lands to their West. Fortunately for the world, he didn't succeed. Soviet Union (read Stalin) was in more hurry to eliminate the Japanese than the Wermacht towards the end of the War.

American war stores, simply, are unfathomable. And I don't blame them for it, they do that to ensure what's best for their nation's long-term security and stability. Moreover, they emphasize more on tech to minimize the risk of losing their men in first contact with the adversary. And it's to do with some of those above-mentioned reasons.