F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[StealthFlanker]

It's not There is No protection against Nuclear Based EMP Blast and it Sheer Velocity
That is why Both USSR and USA of Nukes space.

That is absolute nonsense, not only that there are countermeasure against nuclear EMP, the counter measure are widely employed by military vehicle and command centers
DTRA and its predecessor agencies have developed, and regularly update, military standards (MIL-STDs) designed to aid in the design, development, test, and evaluation of DoD systems subjected to nuclear and EMP environments. These MIL-STDs cover nuclear-generated EMP survivability of aircraft, maritime, and other systems in coordination with the Air Force and the Navy, as well as the broader community of stakeholders. The following are some of the relevant MIL-STDs:

MIL-STD-1766, Nuclear Hardness and Survivability Program Requirements for ICBM Weapon Systemsdefines nuclear hardness and survivability requirements and practices for use during the concept exploration, demonstration and validation, full-scale development, production, and deployment phases of the acquisition life-cycle of ICBM weapon systems.
MIL-STD-2169C, HEMP Environment Standard (Classified) defines high-altitude EMP environments for system hardness design and testing.

MIL-STD-3023, HEMP Protection for Military Aircraftestablishes design margin, performance metrics, and test protocols for HEMP protection of military aircraft with nuclear EMP survivability at three hardness levels. This MIL-STD may also be used for aircraft that support multiple missions. Subsystems of the aircraft required to fully comply with the provisions of the standard are designated as Mission-Critical Subsystems having a HEMP survivability requirement. This approach also allows for consideration of platforms not yet addressed in this standard, such as Unmanned Aerial Vehicles.

MIL-STD-188-125, HEMP Protection for Ground-Based C4I Facilities Performing Critical, Time Urgent Missionsis in the process of being updated. DTRA is investigating present capabilities and shortfalls of power filters as well as utilizing test results from EMP simulators.

MIL-STD-4023, Maritime EMP Standardestablishes performance metrics, test protocols, and hardness margin levels for HEMP protection of military surface ships that must function when subjected to a HEMP environment.

Satellite System Nuclear Survivability (SSNS) Environment Standard defines nuclear weapon environment levels for evaluating satellite system performance in nuclear scenarios.
Comprehensive Atmospheric Nuclear Environments Standard (CANES)provides detailed nuclear environments and effects for a number of different nuclear weapon-types as a function of height of burst. A supplement to this MIL-STD covers nuclear-disturbed communication environments and nuclear ground burst environments
https://www.eisac.com/cartella/Asse...e_and_the_Bulk_Power_System.pdf?parent=119202
https://www.ieee.li/pdf/viewgraphs/electromagnetic-mitigation.pdf
https://inis.iaea.org/search/search.aspx?orig_q=RN:35031182

There nothing called Anti ballastic radar
Green pine designed For all targets

Oh really? Is that so ?
Please enlighten me why the manufacturer disagree with you then
Oh and anti ballistic missile radar have significantly different waveform and PRF from a radar that can track surface target. So no, Green pine wont track a carrier period. Don't believe it? I dare you to find even a single claims or brochure from IAI saying that Green pine can detect and track surface target. Come on, go a head.

BS most Military Stats Fly in low altitude
BTw 300 -1000Km

Well you can check it yourself what is the orbit altitude of GPS satellite. If you wont get rid of them, say hello to GPS guided weapons.

Here Comes another Dumb argument you don't have Hit the Target Missiles
Have proximity burst
Modern ballistic have Improved CEP around 50m-100m
There is Mode of ballistic Missiles
Called Airburst.

All you what Lock the target Coordinates
And launch Volley of missiles
With Nukes yielding 5-15Kt.
The EMP Destroy anything
even if you saved By

EMP no One save From Nuclear Impact

There is no Safety Against Nuclear Based EMP
Lately US-Soviet Banned space Testing Nukes for same reason

India to Can Convert it's SLV's and GSLV'S
In ICBM's
Specifically all Solid Fuel

All Modern ICBMs
Originated From SLV's Tech

The thing is : a carrier can move. Simple as that, your nuclear ballistic missile won't even hit it, even 300 kt warhead only have blast radius about 2-3 km. Not enough for you to use a ballistic missile against a carrier. There is pretty good reason why DF-21 need significant modification compared to a normal ballistic missiles.
Also space nuclear testing is banned not because military equipment cant be shielded against the EMP impact but because civilians infrastructure will be affected

 

[StealthFlanker]

Here To Open your Eyes
US had strategy prepare NEMP
Attack like same As Any speculative Plans
But all are Hypothetical plans

Something is hypothetical would imply it is only on paper and was never actually tested in real life. Military aircraft are actually tested against EMP effect of high altitude nuclear explosion in real life, US build several infrastructure just for the testing of that, so no, it is not hypothetical in the slightest.

Keep in mind that the little device you see in the photo can simulate pulses up to 50kVm whereas even 1000 kt bombs only generate 24.9 kVm as E1 EMP effect.

 

[fire starter]

Something is hypothetical would imply it is only on paper and was never actually tested in real life. Military aircraft are actually tested against EMP effect of high altitude nuclear explosion in real life, US build several infrastructure just for the testing of that, so no, it is not hypothetical in the slightest.

Keep in mind that the little device you see in the photo can simulate pulses up to 50kVm whereas even 1000 kt bombs only generate 24.9 kVm as E1 EMP effect.

well that's not unique every military weapons are tested against EMP even we also use our KALI specifically for this.

 

[WARREN SS]

Something is hypothetical would imply it is only on paper and was never actually tested in real life. Military aircraft are actually tested against EMP effect of high altitude nuclear explosion in real life, US build several infrastructure just for the testing of that, so no, it is not hypothetical in the slightest.

Really What the Success Ratio

Do It Actually Work in Real war ??

There Is No Literature Available About Successful Against NEMP

That is absolute nonsense, not only that there are countermeasure against nuclear EMP, the counter measure are widely employed by military vehicle and command centers
DTRA and its predecessor agencies have developed, and regularly update, military standards (MIL-STDs) designed to aid in the design, development, test, and evaluation of DoD systems subjected to nuclear and EMP environments. These MIL-STDs cover nuclear-generated EMP survivability of aircraft, maritime, and other systems in coordination with the Air Force and the Navy, as well as the broader community of stakeholders. The following are some of the relevant MIL-STDs:

MIL-STD-1766, Nuclear Hardness and Survivability Program Requirements for ICBM Weapon Systemsdefines nuclear hardness and survivability requirements and practices for use during the concept exploration, demonstration and validation, full-scale development, production, and deployment phases of the acquisition life-cycle of ICBM weapon systems.
MIL-STD-2169C, HEMP Environment Standard (Classified) defines high-altitude EMP environments for system hardness design and testing.

MIL-STD-3023, HEMP Protection for Military Aircraftestablishes design margin, performance metrics, and test protocols for HEMP protection of military aircraft with nuclear EMP survivability at three hardness levels. This MIL-STD may also be used for aircraft that support multiple missions. Subsystems of the aircraft required to fully comply with the provisions of the standard are designated as Mission-Critical Subsystems having a HEMP survivability requirement. This approach also allows for consideration of platforms not yet addressed in this standard, such as Unmanned Aerial Vehicles.

MIL-STD-188-125, HEMP Protection for Ground-Based C4I Facilities Performing Critical, Time Urgent Missionsis in the process of being updated. DTRA is investigating present capabilities and shortfalls of power filters as well as utilizing test results from EMP simulators.

MIL-STD-4023, Maritime EMP Standardestablishes performance metrics, test protocols, and hardness margin levels for HEMP protection of military surface ships that must function when subjected to a HEMP environment.

Satellite System Nuclear Survivability (SSNS) Environment Standard defines nuclear weapon environment levels for evaluating satellite system performance in nuclear scenarios.
Comprehensive Atmospheric Nuclear Environments Standard (CANES)provides detailed nuclear environments and effects for a number of different nuclear weapon-types as a function of height of burst. A supplement to this MIL-STD covers nuclear-disturbed communication environments and nuclear ground burst environments

Does It All really Effective??
Againt NEMP

There are two types of EMPs we care about: high-frequency pulses that affect the small wires in computer-based systems, and low-frequency pulses that affect large-scale equipment in the power grid.



According to an internet primer published by the Federation of American Scientists

A high-altitude nuclear detonation produces an immediate flux of gamma rays from the nuclear reactions within the device. These photons in turn produce high energy free electrons by Compton scattering at altitudes between (roughly) 20 and 40 km. These electrons are then trapped in the Earth's magnetic field, giving rise to an oscillating electric current. This current is asymmetric in general and gives rise to a rapidly rising radiated electromagnetic field called an electromagnetic pulse (EMP). Because the electrons are trapped essentially simultaneously, a very large electromagnetic source radiates coherently.
The pulse can easily span continent-sized areas, and this radiation can affect systems on land, sea, and air. ... A large device detonated at 400–500 km (250 to 312 miles) over Kansas would affect all of the continental U.S. The signal from such an event extends to the visual horizon as seen from the burst point.
Thus, for equipment to be affected, the weapon needs to be above the visual horizon.

The altitude indicated above is greater than that of the International Space Station and many low Earth orbit satellites. Large weapons could have a dramatic impact on satellite operations and communications such as occurred during Operation Fishbowl. The damaging effects on orbiting satellites are usually due to factors other than EMP. In the Starfish Prime nuclear test, most damage was to the satellites' solar panels while passing through radiation belts created by the explosion.

For detonations within the atmosphere, the situation is more complex. Within the range of gamma ray deposition, simple laws no longer hold as the air is ionised and there are other EMP effects, such as a radial electric field due to the separation of Compton electrons from air molecules, together with other complex phenomena. For a surface burst, absorption of gamma rays by air would limit the range of gamma ray deposition to approximately 16 kilometres (10 mi), while for a burst in the lower-density air at high altitudes, the range of deposition would be far greater

How the peak EMP on the ground varies with the weapon yield and burst altitude. The yield here is the prompt gamma ray output measured in kilotons. This varies from 0.115–0.5% of the total weapon yield, depending on weapon design. The 1.4 Mt total yield 1962 Starfish Prime test had a gamma output of 0.1%, hence 1.4 kt of prompt gamma rays.

The thing is : a carrier can move. Simple as that, your nuclear ballistic missile won't even hit it, even 300 kt warhead only have blast radius about 2-3 km. Not enough for you to use a ballistic missile against a carrier. There is pretty good reason why DF-21 need significant modification compared to a normal ballistic missiles.
Also space nuclear testing is banned not because military equipment cant be shielded against the EMP impact but because civilians infrastructure will be affected

Carrier Moves Very Slow Compared To ASHM Velocity Which over Mach 30 Add Hypersonic Glide RV's That To Proximity Air-burst

The sudden release of gamma rays (high energy rays) in a nuclear explosion will cause almost instant ionization (the removal of electrons from atoms) of the atmospheric gases that surround the detonation. Free electrons are driven outward. Gamma rays can travel great distances ionizing the atmosphere. This forced movement of electrons, which will again recombine with atmosphere atoms (Compton Recoil Effect), creates a pulsed electromagnetic field (EMP), or “Electromagnetic Pulse.” This is also referred to as “Nuclear Electromagnetic Pulse” (NEMP). About 99% of the NEMP is radiated in a broad spectrum between 10kHz. and 100MHz. Most of the energy is at frequencies below 10MHz. For comparison, lightning’s power density spectrum is from dc to 1 MHz (for the -3dB point).


The fast rise time of the radiated pulse (10 nanoseconds,) as well as its short duration (1.0 microsecond,) can cause any antenna to ring much like a direct lightning strike. The ringing amplitude would depend on the amount of captured energy. The antenna’s capture area, its pattern relative to the blast, tuned frequency, and bandwidth, all affect the peak ringing voltage that will be present. This ringing voltage will attempt to propagate down the transmission line (open-balanced or coax unbalanced) to the equipment. Since the antenna impedance is not equal to the line’s characteristic impedance over the entire NEMP spectrum, and the line may also collect NEMP energy. If additional shielding precautions are not taken, the energy could take the form of a complex waveform on the transmission line. Large voltages may be created due to line and antenna resonances. These high voltages can cause damage to unprotected equipment or cause arcing in the line or at the antenna. Cable shield grounding kits help prevent the lowerfrequency components from being present on coax cable and may change the high-voltage resonance locations. Cavity filters could increase NEMP damage. The small bandwidth (high Q) of the cavity causes larger ringing voltages to be present at the equipment than the equipment would receive if the cavity filters were not in-line. Quarter-wave shorting stub type protectors,


As Of Now All Known Effective Measur against NEMP charge Is Only hypothetical Read latest Report Of US Commission of Prevtion against NEMP attack Published by Peter Vincent Pry in 2017

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...will-cease-to-exist-90-of-population-will-die
http://www.firstempcommission.org/u...arms_cyber_warfare_by_peter_pry_july_2017.pdf

 

[BON PLAN]

WHAT A BIRD !

At extremely high altitudes, the Navy and Marine Corps versions of the F-35 can only fly at supersonic speeds for short bursts of time without risking structural damage and loss of its stealth capability, a problem that may make it impossible for the Navy’s F-35C to conduct supersonic intercepts.

“It has random oscillations, pitch and yaw issues above [its] 20-[degree angle of attack]," the aviator said. "[So] if I had to perform the aircraft — if I had to maneuver to defeat a missile, maneuver to fight another aircraft, the plane could have issues moving. And if I turn around aggressively and get away from these guys and use the afterburner, [the horizontal tail and tail boom] start to melt or have issues.”

 

[fire starter]

WHAT A BIRD !

At extremely high altitudes, the Navy and Marine Corps versions of the F-35 can only fly at supersonic speeds for short bursts of time without risking structural damage and loss of its stealth capability, a problem that may make it impossible for the Navy’s F-35C to conduct supersonic intercepts.

“It has random oscillations, pitch and yaw issues above [its] 20-[degree angle of attack]," the aviator said. "[So] if I had to perform the aircraft — if I had to maneuver to defeat a missile, maneuver to fight another aircraft, the plane could have issues moving. And if I turn around aggressively and get away from these guys and use the afterburner, [the horizontal tail and tail boom] start to melt or have issues.”

it proves that 4th gen aircrafts will stay for long period of time .what about rafale I heard that it will be used till 2070.

 

[asianobserve]

Here is a comprehensive discussion on F-35 issues and fixes from Defense News:


Essentially, most problems are software based which are either already solved or scheduled for solution in Block 4 software upgrade with only the rudder paints (a problem observed on only 1 F-35B and and 1 F-35C in supersonic regime), which is already addressed by the introduction of tougher stealth coating, and hydraulic lines location adjustment for F-35C to protect hydraulic lines in case of tire blow-out during landings.

ALIS will be replaced by cloud-based ODIN in 2022. ODIN is a software based on feedback from F-35 operators and maintainers.

 

[asianobserve]

it proves that 4th gen aircrafts will stay for long period of time .what about rafale I heard that it will be used till 2070.

No doubt 4th and 4.5th gen will stay for at least 20 years more in top tier air forces as 2nd day assets and forever in lower tier and poor countries' air forces. But on a war, the air force with 5th gen will always come out on top against an opponent that is solely 4th gen based. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not being honest. And with top tier air forces moving onto 6th gen fighters, 4th or 4.5th gen users will only get more irrelevant against top tier opponents.

 

[bhramos]

MAJOR: How a Russian Radar Managed to Detect six F-35 'Stealth' Fighters From a Distance of Over 1500 km

 

[asianobserve]

Poland to sign $4.6 billion F-35 fighter jet deal - minister

https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1ZQ0UO

 

[Bhurki]

Poland to sign $4.6 billion F-35 fighter jet deal - minister

https://www.google.com/amp/s/uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1ZQ0UO

Wow, thats way lower than previously stipulated price which could include exercising all options at $6.5B

At $4.6B, the cost per jet is only $140m/unit.

 

[asianobserve]

Wow, thats way lower than previously stipulated price which could include exercising all options at $6.5B

At $4.6B, the cost per jet is only $140m/unit.

We'll soon find out what's included in the package.

 

[asianobserve]

Now we know how Poland reduced the contract price, it did not seek for offset clauses.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/...olands-buy-of-32-f-35s-defense-minister-says/

 

[StealthFlanker]

Really What the Success Ratio

Do It Actually Work in Real war ??

There Is No Literature Available About Successful Against NEMP


Does It All really Effective??
Againt NEMP

It is quite funny how you are acting like NEMP is some new super weapon that just recently been discover and all its characteristic aren't fully known yet. Here is the flash, the first NEMP test was done over 60 years ago, the physics involved are known, the characteristics of the EMP are known, the counter measure against EMP are already in place, the standard of EMP resistance are already created, the structures to test EMP effect have already been made. There is nothing unpredictable or unknown about it period. Yes the countermeasures against EMP will work in real war and at more than 99.999% success ratio. Because unlike intercepting a missile or deceiving a radar, the technology to prevent surge of current is actually very straight forward, and it not like the enemy can bend physics and give electron/current different characteristic

There are two types of EMPs we care about: high-frequency pulses that affect the small wires in computer-based systems, and low-frequency pulses that affect large-scale equipment in the power grid.
According to an internet primer published by the Federation of American Scientists
A high-altitude nuclear detonation produces an immediate flux of gamma rays from the nuclear reactions within the device. These photons in turn produce high energy free electrons by Compton scattering at altitudes between (roughly) 20 and 40 km. These electrons are then trapped in the Earth's magnetic field, giving rise to an oscillating electric current. This current is asymmetric in general and gives rise to a rapidly rising radiated electromagnetic field called an electromagnetic pulse (EMP). Because the electrons are trapped essentially simultaneously, a very large electromagnetic source radiates coherently.
The pulse can easily span continent-sized areas, and this radiation can affect systems on land, sea, and air. ... A large device detonated at 400–500 km (250 to 312 miles) over Kansas would affect all of the continental U.S. The signal from such an event extends to the visual horizon as seen from the burst point.
Thus, for equipment to be affected, the weapon needs to be above the visual horizon.
The altitude indicated above is greater than that of the International Space Station and many low Earth orbit satellites. Large weapons could have a dramatic impact on satellite operations and communications such as occurred during Operation Fishbowl. The damaging effects on orbiting satellites are usually due to factors other than EMP. In the Starfish Prime nuclear test, most damage was to the satellites' solar panels while passing through radiation belts created by the explosion.
For detonations within the atmosphere, the situation is more complex. Within the range of gamma ray deposition, simple laws no longer hold as the air is ionised and there are other EMP effects, such as a radial electric field due to the separation of Compton electrons from air molecules, together with other complex phenomena. For a surface burst, absorption of gamma rays by air would limit the range of gamma ray deposition to approximately 16 kilometres (10 mi), while for a burst in the lower-density air at high altitudes, the range of deposition would be far greater

How the peak EMP on the ground varies with the weapon yield and burst altitude. The yield here is the prompt gamma ray output measured in kilotons. This varies from 0.115–0.5% of the total weapon yield, depending on weapon design. The 1.4 Mt total yield 1962 Starfish Prime test had a gamma output of 0.1%, hence 1.4 kt of prompt gamma rays.The sudden release of gamma rays (high energy rays) in a nuclear explosion will cause almost instant ionization (the removal of electrons from atoms) of the atmospheric gases that surround the detonation. Free electrons are driven outward. Gamma rays can travel great distances ionizing the atmosphere. This forced movement of electrons, which will again recombine with atmosphere atoms (Compton Recoil Effect), creates a pulsed electromagnetic field (EMP), or “Electromagnetic Pulse.” This is also referred to as “Nuclear Electromagnetic Pulse” (NEMP). About 99% of the NEMP is radiated in a broad spectrum between 10kHz. and 100MHz. Most of the energy is at frequencies below 10MHz. For comparison, lightning’s power density spectrum is from dc to 1 MHz (for the -3dB point).
The fast rise time of the radiated pulse (10 nanoseconds,) as well as its short duration (1.0 microsecond,) can cause any antenna to ring much like a direct lightning strike. The ringing amplitude would depend on the amount of captured energy. The antenna’s capture area, its pattern relative to the blast, tuned frequency, and bandwidth, all affect the peak ringing voltage that will be present. This ringing voltage will attempt to propagate down the transmission line (open-balanced or coax unbalanced) to the equipment. Since the antenna impedance is not equal to the line’s characteristic impedance over the entire NEMP spectrum, and the line may also collect NEMP energy. If additional shielding precautions are not taken, the energy could take the form of a complex waveform on the transmission line. Large voltages may be created due to line and antenna resonances. These high voltages can cause damage to unprotected equipment or cause arcing in the line or at the antenna. Cable shield grounding kits help prevent the lowerfrequency components from being present on coax cable and may change the high-voltage resonance locations. Cavity filters could increase NEMP damage. The small bandwidth (high Q) of the cavity causes larger ringing voltages to be present at the equipment than the equipment would receive if the cavity filters were not in-line. Quarter-wave shorting stub type protectors,
As Of Now All Known Effective Measur against NEMP charge Is Only hypothetical Read latest Report Of US Commission of Prevtion against NEMP attack Published by Peter Vincent Pry in 2017

You can stop that badly copy paste from Wikipedia and fast.org . You provide no new information apart from what anyone can find on wiki and the source I already given, and do you seriously think the people who design the EMP test and design the countermeasure against EMP doesn't already know about the information that you can google search? Stop kidding yourself.

Carrier Moves Very Slow Compared To ASHM Velocity Which over Mach 30 Add Hypersonic Glide RV's That To Proximity Air-burst

The engagement range of a carrier with F-18/F or F-35 + JASSM-XR is 3400 km. Currently, the fastest ICBM that Indian have is agni-V with top speed of Mach 24.
Because ballistic missile have to follow a ballistic arcs rather than go straight to target, to attack a target from 3400 km away, it have to travel about 5340 km (the half circular arc). Even if we assume Agni-V can maintain constant Mach 24, it will still take about 12.57 minutes to cover that distance. Nevermind the fact that ballistic missile cant maintain top speed in the whole flight. In 12.57 minutes, a carrier moving at 56 km/h will be able to move 11.7 km from its original position. Even a 750 kilo tons warhead will only have 5 psi blast radius of 6.3 km and fire ball radius of 0.88 km https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/. It wont hurt the carrier, period.
Now obviously you would want to bring up Surya which currently being developed and have top speed of Mach 29, well if we take Surya into the equation, it only fair to take HCSW into the equation as well. Now the strike radius of the carrier with F-18/F-35 +HCSW is 5584 km. Due to the trajectory involved, Surya will have to travel 8771 km to attack target from 5584 km away. At Mach 29 it will take 14.8 minutes. Same story again

 

[BON PLAN]

most problems are software based which are either already solved or scheduled for solution in Block 4 software upgrade

The sole problem is that this answer has already been heard so many times...
promises, always promises.

 

[BON PLAN]

Wow, thats way lower than previously stipulated price which could include exercising all options at $6.5B

At $4.6B, the cost per jet is only $140m/unit.

with no support, no weapon, just a dry bird.
so it's not the affordable fighter intended 15 years ago.

 

[BON PLAN]

The engagement range of a carrier with F-18/F or F-35 + JASSM-XR is 3400 km. Currently, the fastest ICBM that Indian have is agni-V with top speed of Mach 24.
Because ballistic missile have to follow a ballistic arcs rather than go straight to target, to attack a target from 3400 km away, it have to travel about 5340 km (the half circular arc). Even if we assume Agni-V can maintain constant Mach 24, it will still take about 12.57 minutes to cover that distance. In 12.57 minutes, a carrier moving at 56 km/h will be able to move 11.7 km from its original position. Even a 300 kilo tons warhead will only have 5 psi blast radius of 4.7 km and fire ball radius of 0.6 km. It wont hurt the carrier period.

engagement range of a carrier with SH18 or F35 : 3400km??? with very few planes in the air as all the others are buddy refueling or in air defense escort.

Is it possible to imagine a 4000 km range missile equipped with a guided terminal head ? Pershing 2 (a smaller range missile) used a radar for terrain mapping, so why not a greater range missile? Maybe by using a slower re entry vehicule.

 

[asianobserve]

with no support, no weapon, just a dry bird.
so it's not the affordable fighter intended 15 years ago.

Says the guy who is part of the Polish or was it US Government/LM negotiating team?

 

[Bhurki]

with no support, no weapon, just a dry bird.
so it's not the affordable fighter intended 15 years ago.

The link clearly says 'training and logistics' included.
Extra weapons are not required since the Polish already use the F16 which employs the same weapons.(aim-9,120, jdam etc.)

 

[BON PLAN]

The link clearly says 'training and logistics' included.

where ?