F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[Bhurki]

where ?

https://www.defensenews.com/global/...olands-buy-of-32-f-35s-defense-minister-says/
Last line.

 

[Bhurki]

it's not the affordable fighter intended 15 years ago.

It'll be affordable all right..
Up front costs for cutting edge tech is always high.

The maintenance costs for F35 can be considered to be quite low when it is operationalized in Polish air force since by the time they recieve their units, there will be atleast 1000 F35 in the air worldwide.
So, the scale up of spare parts will certainly make them affordable.

 

[IndianHawk]

Again, submarine doesn't need protection,

Lol this statement alone proves you have been bullshitting . Just lol.

I hope idiots like you command US and Chinese navy .

If any US admiral made this statement he would be court marshalled on the spot. But American fanboy clearly know more. Lol.

 

[IndianHawk]

No carrier battle group (CBG) will ever go close to enemy fielding long range AShM like Brahmos or CM-400.

Finally something rational after a long hall bullshiting. People think that missile defence systems work like magic .they don't. They fail routinely. Just one intercept failure in salvo is enough to render the carrier vulnerable meanwhile enemy will keep firing untill he runs out of missile .

 

[IndianHawk]

That is absolute nonsense, not only that there are countermeasure against nuclear EMP, the counter measure are widely employed by military vehicle and command centers

This is height of fanboyism. A few military vehicles having NBC protection means nothing.
There is no sea fleet in the world as of now which can counteract any kind of nuclear weapon.

Thats a fact it's not up to debate. But then again you think submarines don't need protection. Lol.

 

[IndianHawk]

The engagement range of a carrier with F-18/F or F-35 + JASSM-XR is 3400 km.

Again with ASM . Why waste money on carrier then genius. Russian can fire kalbir already from 2500km away and 4000km version is in development. Why are idiots in USA wasting money on Carrier.

Please stop this. You are embarrassing yourself. ​

 

[Wisemarko]

with no support, no weapon, just a dry bird.

That cost for F-35 is less than $90 million as of today. Repeating nonsense will not make your case any stronger.

The price tags for all three versions of the F-35 are expected to keep falling over the next three years. The F-35A, the version flown by the U.S.Air Force and most allies, is expected to drop from $89.2 million as of today to $77.9 million in 2022. The F-35B, the Marine Corps’ vertical landing version, is expected to fall from $115.5 million to $101.3 million. The Navy’s carrier-capable F-35C is expected to fall from $107.7 million to $94.4 million.

 

[asianobserve]

Lol this statement alone proves you have been bullshitting . Just lol.

I hope idiots like you command US and Chinese navy .

If any US admiral made this statement he would be court marshalled on the spot. But American fanboy clearly know more. Lol.

How can the fleet protect its submarines when they don't know where it is in the oceans or at least very few in the high command knows where it is, and those who know will not divulge info to anyone?

Second, the presence of surface assets and maritime aircrafts above sumarines will only give away the subs location.

So subs are essentially on their own when they sail.

 

[Bhurki]

How can the fleet protect its submarines when they don't know where it is in the oceans or at least very few in the high command knows where it is, and those who know will not divulge info to anyone?

Second, the presence of surface assets and maritime aircrafts above sumarines will only give away the subs location.

So subs are essentially on their own when they sail.

Ahem ... .

This conversation is pointless and absurd. Besides, as I said this is an F-35 thread

 

[StealthFlanker]

engagement range of a carrier with SH18 or F35 : 3400km??? with very few planes in the air as all the others are buddy refueling or in air defense escort.

Is it possible to imagine a 4000 km range missile equipped with a guided terminal head ? Pershing 2 (a smaller range missile) used a radar for terrain mapping, so why not a greater range missile? Maybe by using a slower re entry vehicule.

F-35/ F-18 combat radius approximately 1300 km
XQ-25 can increase that by 45-55%
JASSM-XR range is 1600 km
HCSW range is 3700 km
Do the maths.

Lol this statement alone proves you have been bullshitting . Just lol.

I hope idiots like you command US and Chinese navy .

If any US admiral made this statement he would be court marshalled on the spot. But American fanboy clearly know more. Lol.

I love how after being debunked so many time, now you resort to name calling because you know if yourepresent your argument again, it will get debunked and you just look more idiotic. And yes submarine don't need protection, in fact, ballistic missiles submarine are literally expected to operate on their own and supposed to be the last thing that will survive in a nuclear war. Because unlike anything else, you cant attack or detect submarine from very long range.
Want to prove me wrong? Ok name a single weapon that give you the ability to attack a submarine from 2000 km then. Come on, go ahead.

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Again with ASM . Why waste money on carrier then genius. Russian can fire kalbir already from 2500km away and 4000km version is in development. Why are idiots in USA wasting money on Carrier.

Please stop this. You are embarrassing yourself. ​

Kalbir is similar to AGM-86 (2400 km) and AGM-129 (3700 km) both enter service decades ago, agm-129 even got withdrawn from service, there is nothing particularly specially about it. The main power of a carrier is projection. It can attack from long range but with much higher number of missiles and much better versatility than submarine or bomber launched cruise missiles.
Just because you hate that now your supersonic missile combo doesn't work due to carrier engagement range doesn't change that fact one bit. In fact, that how carrier has always been intended to use. In the past the initial wave of strike are always done by Tomahawk from destroyer to weaken enemy defense, now that technology actually allow fighter to strike from even longer range, they will do the same.

This is height of fanboyism. A few military vehicles having NBC protection means nothing.
There is no sea fleet in the world as of now which can counteract any kind of nuclear weapon.

Thats a fact it's not up to debate. But then again you think submarines don't need protection. Lol.

Well no, it is not just a few military vehicle that get NEMP protection. The standard I mentioned earlier are actually applied to most destroyer and navy aircraft. The fact that you think they dont have a countermeasure in place for something they designed over 60 years ago is a bit laughable
MIL-STD-4023, Maritime EMP Standardestablishes performance metrics, test protocols, and hardness margin levels for HEMP protection of military surface ships that must function when subjected to a HEMP environment
MIL-STD-3023, HEMP Protection for Military Aircraftestablishes design margin, performance metrics, and test protocols for HEMP protection of military aircraft with nuclear EMP survivability at three hardness levels. This MIL-STD may also be used for aircraft that support multiple missions. Subsystems of the aircraft required to fully comply with the provisions of the standard are designated as Mission-Critical Subsystems having a HEMP survivability requirement. This approach also allows for consideration of platforms not yet addressed in this standard, such as Unmanned Aerial Vehicles

 

[StealthFlanker]

This is height of fanboyism. A few military vehicles having NBC protection means nothing.
There is no sea fleet in the world as of now which can counteract any kind of nuclear weapon.

Thats a fact it's not up to debate. But then again you think submarines don't need protection. Lol.

A few vehicle??? Stop BS about stuff that you know nothing about. Just counting Navy aircraft alone these one are EMP hardened

 

[Assassin 2.0]

If ASHM were totally useless then this would have never happened.

 

[BON PLAN]

https://www.defensenews.com/global/...olands-buy-of-32-f-35s-defense-minister-says/
Last line.

OK. It was not the news I read.
Logistic : what kind of logistic? for how many time?

 

[BON PLAN]

That cost for F-35 is less than $90 million as of today. Repeating nonsense will not make your case any stronger.

The price tags for all three versions of the F-35 are expected to keep falling over the next three years. The F-35A, the version flown by the U.S.Air Force and most allies, is expected to drop from $89.2 million as of today to $77.9 million in 2022. The F-35B, the Marine Corps’ vertical landing version, is expected to fall from $115.5 million to $101.3 million. The Navy’s carrier-capable F-35C is expected to fall from $107.7 million to $94.4 million.

By hidding a lot of non planned development works.
I think the custmers will have to pay a high bill for support and spares (to recover these black developpments costs)

 

[BON PLAN]

answer 5 : https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...involves-a-rough-landing-in-hot-environments/

 

[Bhurki]

OK. It was not the news I read.
Logistic : what kind of logistic? for how many time?

Logistics cost with procurement usually means upfront set up cost for repair and maintenance equipment while the running costs for the same are what add to the Cost/hour figure.

By hidding a lot of non planned development works.
I think the custmers will have to pay a high bill for support and spares (to recover these black developpments costs)

LM is not a state owned company. It is a publicly traded private company. And everyone knows about their balance sheet and profits. If there was a loss they were sitting on that they'd need to recover in the future, it would've showed somewhere.

Support and spare costs depend directly on the scale of production. Higher production leads to less per unit cost.
With total units to hit 1000 in just the next 3 years, maintenance facilities and spare production will be ample to bring down costs for several LRUs.

 

[BON PLAN]

LM is not a state owned company. It is a publicly traded private company. And everyone knows about their balance sheet and profits. If there was a loss they were sitting on that they'd need to recover in the future, it would've showed somewhere.

And what about shrunk works? the job is made by private company with black budgets.

And in the F35 case, without black programs, a lot of over costs were already funded. Was the block 3i in the pipe at the beginning? NO.

 

[StealthFlanker]

If ASHM were totally useless then this would have never happened.

No one ever said ASHM are useless but they are not some invincible silver bullet without any counter. Just like bullet can kill people doesn't mean you can't make bullet proof vest

 

[Bhurki]

And what about shrunk works? the job is made by private company with black budgets.

And in the F35 case, without black programs, a lot of over costs were already funded. Was the block 3i in the pipe at the beginning? NO.

The budget for all of these projects is always pre allocated by the DoD.
The company usually never spends until they are guaranteed to be reimbursed by the government or are already given a grant (example - $900m to both teams for ATF program only for production and not R&D of prototypes)

USAF has allocated/seeked a total of more than $230B for the ongoing 5 years (FY 20-24) of classified R&D($104B) and 'Black' projects($128B),
and that excludes the funding for known projects like
F35 Ctol upgrades ($29B, this would include the further upgrades or Blocks),
B21 raider($13.8B) or
NGAD($6.5B).
(numbers by IHS jane's)

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrovsaid that long-range air defense radars detected 6 fifth-generation F-35 multi-purpose fighters near Iranian airspace just hours after a missile attack on US military bases in Iraq..