F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[asianobserve]

Rafale is FOC for 13 years.
F35 is far from.
F35 is just a US umbrella tool. Very well done by US diplomacy and LM marketing office, but useless in military operation.

Very costly for an umbrella.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Rafale is so much superior to F-35 that the French Government will spend Billions of Dollars in developing a new stealth jet to match or surpass F-35... on the very least you should try to analyze the whole picture before you start typing laughable anti-F35 monologues.

 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Rafale is so much superior to F-35 that the French Government will spend Billions of Dollars in developing a new stealth jet to match or surpass F-35... on the very least you should try to analyze the whole picture before you start typing laughable anti-F35 monologues.

A new jet intended to enter service in 2040.... And you can be sure that with Dassault it will be on time, on spec and on budget. All the contrary of the last bird of LM.

 

[asianobserve]

A new jet intended to enter service in 2040.... And you can be sure that with Dassault it will be on time, on spec and on budget. All the contrary of the last bird of LM.

20 years just to catch up with 25-year old F-22 tech (by then 45 years old) and 15-year old F-35 tech (by then 35 years old)? And you call that on time?

 

[Immanuel]

extract : "The estimated cost is $6.5 billion".

As LM estimated that F35 could reach super cruise.
As LM estimated that F35 could be as agile as F16.
As LM estimated that F35 could be FOC in 2016.
etc....

Let's talk of that when a deal is inked.

Nigga please, check out the Belgian deal; 34 F-35 for $4.55 Billion (costs till 2030), 12.4 billion over 40 years.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-f-35-over-eurofighter-on-price-idUSKCN1MZ1S0

CHEAPER THAN PROJECTED
Prime Minister Charles Michel’s government said despite a strong desire to support European allies, the F-35 was cheaper for Belgium over the long term, coming in 600 million euros ($684 million) under what the government budgeted for.

The total price of the deal, including the jets, pilot training, hangars and upkeep until 2030 was worth 4 billion euros, Vandeput said, compared with the original budget of 4.6 billion euros.

Over the 40-year life of the aircraft, the deal will cost Belgium 12.4 billion euros or $14.4 billion over 40 years, rather than the 15 billion euros first projected, he said.

 

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20 years just to catch up with 25-year old F-22 tech (by then 45 years old) and 15-year old F-35 tech (by then 35 years old)? And you call that on time?

F1, all F2, all F3 and F3R standard were all released according to the plan.
F35 is always late.
A firm delay for FOC ????

 

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Nigga please, check out the Belgian deal; 34 F-35 for $4.55 Billion (costs till 2030), 12.4 billion over 40 years.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-f-35-over-eurofighter-on-price-idUSKCN1MZ1S0

CHEAPER THAN PROJECTED
Prime Minister Charles Michel’s government said despite a strong desire to support European allies, the F-35 was cheaper for Belgium over the long term, coming in 600 million euros ($684 million) under what the government budgeted for.

The total price of the deal, including the jets, pilot training, hangars and upkeep until 2030 was worth 4 billion euros, Vandeput said, compared with the original budget of 4.6 billion euros.

Over the 40-year life of the aircraft, the deal will cost Belgium 12.4 billion euros or $14.4 billion over 40 years, rather than the 15 billion euros first projected, he said.

We will see... when a single bolt will be invoiced a small fortune.

It's a very old and well known technic of ALL the engines suppliers for liners : the engine are sell under their real cost, but the spares parts are costlier.

and I see with pleasure and surprise that LM can project the price of spare parts over 40 years !!! It's a joke.

 

[Shiv sagar]

20 years just to catch up with 25-year old F-22 tech (by then 45 years old) and 15-year old F-35 tech (by then 35 years old)? And you call that on time?

If f22 is so advanced why did they stopped building it? Why not upgrade the old avionics with new gen and stay happy with it. A fighter which is prohibitively expensive to build and operate ( $340 million for one and the flight cost per hour would be around $60,000) is unacceptable for even the mighty US of A , as they had to stop at just 200 instead of the expected 700. Hence Rafale which costs 1/4 of an f22 is not a catch up. 4 rafale vs one f22 is no fight at all in a war scenario.

 

[Immanuel]

If f22 is so advanced why did they stopped building it? Why not upgrade the old avionics with new gen and stay happy with it. A fighter which is prohibitively expensive to build and operate ( $340 million for one and the flight cost per hour would be around $60,000) is unacceptable for even the mighty US of A , as they had to stop at just 200 instead of the expected 700. Hence Rafale which costs 1/4 of an f22 is not a catch up. 4 rafale vs one f22 is no fight at all in a war scenario.

The Rafale only got 1 gun kill on the F-22 in a dogfight. The F-22 in BVR will easily engage the Rafale first and kill 2-4 in quick succession. Don't confuse BVR with dogfights.

 

[asianobserve]

If f22 is so advanced why did they stopped building it? Why not upgrade the old avionics with new gen and stay happy with it. A fighter which is prohibitively expensive to build and operate ( $340 million for one and the flight cost per hour would be around $60,000) is unacceptable for even the mighty US of A , as they had to stop at just 200 instead of the expected 700. Hence Rafale which costs 1/4 of an f22 is not a catch up. 4 rafale vs one f22 is no fight at all in a war scenario.

The No. 1 reason the Americans stopped building F-22 was the collapse if the USSR. There's simply no more enemy to produce the F-22 against. The cost was only because the Americans built only a few F-22s.

Rafale may be cheaper, it has to be since it's based on an old technology, non-stealth, but it'll also a cheap target practice for the F-22 in a remote cjance that they face each other in a real war.

 

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The No. 1 reason the Americans stopped building F-22 was the collapse if the USSR. There's simply no more enemy to produce the F-22 against. The cost was only because the Americans built only a few F-22s.

Rafale may be cheaper, it has to be since it's based on an old technology, non-stealth, but it'll also a cheap target practice for the F-22 in a remote cjance that they face each other in a real war.

:blah::blah::blah: .

 

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Wasteful Weapon: The Ultra-Costly, Poorly-Performing F-35 Fighter

https://www.nationalmemo.com/wasteful-weapon-the-ultra-costly-poorly-performing-f-35-fighter/?cn-reloaded=1&cn-reloaded=1

once promised to the Pentagon at $38 million a plane but now estimated to cost $158.4 million each.

Yet such stealthiness comes at a real cost and not just in monetary terms. To maintain its stealthy profile, the F-35 must carry its weaponry internally, limiting its load and destructive power compared to “fourth generation” planes like the A-10 and F-15. It must also rely on an internal fuel system, which will limit its range in battle, while its agility in air-to-air combat seems poor compared to older fighters like the F-16. (The Pentagon counters, unconvincingly, that the F-35 wasn’t designed for such dogfighting.)

So far, in other words, the F-35 has had an abysmally low rate of availability. Technically speaking, it remains in “initial operational testing and evaluation,” during which, as defense journalist Dan Grazier has noted, it achieved a “fully mission capable rate” of just 11 percent in its combat testing phase. (The desired goal before going into full production is 80 percent, which is, in a sense, all you need to know about the “success” of that aircraft so many years later.) Compounding those dreadful percentages is another grim reality: the F-35’s design isn’t stable and its maintenance software has been a buggy nightmare, meaning the testers are, in a sense, trying to evaluate a moving and messy target.

 

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20 years just to catch up with 25-year old F-22 tech (by then 45 years old) and 15-year old F-35 tech (by then 35 years old)? And you call that on time?

Ah Ah Ah......
They rely so much on F35 that they already have a plan for the future.....

https://www.defensenews.com/digital...-future-fighter-could-field-a-jet-in-5-years/

 

[asianobserve]

Lockheed Martin Offers To Shoulder Risks On F-35 Maintenance With Fixed-Price, Performance-Based Contract

The company would guarantee a fixed price to reach and exceed 80% fleet readiness by 2025, higher than most U.S. combat aircraft achieve today.

Many of these enhancements can be implemented whether they are carried out by the government or industry. The fact Lockheed Martin is willing to risk its own funds up front signals that the F-35 has reached a level of maturity where sustainment processes are well understood and thus ready for refinement. The Lockheed Martin approach would implement recognized best practices across the F-35 support enterprise. But it would require significant adjustments on the part of all parties involved.

The short answer is that it has analyzed processes surrounding the sustainment function and has identified numerous ways in which money can be saved without sacrificing readiness. These include reducing manpower and material costs, improving inventory control, automating tasks and predicting with greater accuracy when maintenance actions will be required.

One Lockheed Martin executive told me that fashioning an optimized sustainment process for the world’s biggest weapons program “is a strategic inflection point—maybe the last.” In other words, with the battle over reducing production costs now largely won, the government and industry need to agree on how best to support the F-35 fighter through the coming half-century of operations. If they get it right, F-35 will be the dominant tactical aircraft in the world for two generations.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorent...rformance-based-sustainment-of-f-35-fighters/

 

[asianobserve]

Ah Ah Ah......
They rely so much on F35 that they already have a plan for the future.....

https://www.defensenews.com/digital...-future-fighter-could-field-a-jet-in-5-years/

That's how Americans do things, proactive. When the F-15 was only 5 years in service USAF was already planning and desiging the F-22 (ATF) in 1981.

 

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Lockheed Martin Offers To Shoulder Risks On F-35 Maintenance With Fixed-Price, Performance-Based Contract

The company would guarantee a fixed price to reach and exceed 80% fleet readiness by 2025, higher than most U.S. combat aircraft achieve today.

Many of these enhancements can be implemented whether they are carried out by the government or industry. The fact Lockheed Martin is willing to risk its own funds up front signals that the F-35 has reached a level of maturity where sustainment processes are well understood and thus ready for refinement. The Lockheed Martin approach would implement recognized best practices across the F-35 support enterprise. But it would require significant adjustments on the part of all parties involved.

The short answer is that it has analyzed processes surrounding the sustainment function and has identified numerous ways in which money can be saved without sacrificing readiness. These include reducing manpower and material costs, improving inventory control, automating tasks and predicting with greater accuracy when maintenance actions will be required.

One Lockheed Martin executive told me that fashioning an optimized sustainment process for the world’s biggest weapons program “is a strategic inflection point—maybe the last.” In other words, with the battle over reducing production costs now largely won, the government and industry need to agree on how best to support the F-35 fighter through the coming half-century of operations. If they get it right, F-35 will be the dominant tactical aircraft in the world for two generations.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorent...rformance-based-sustainment-of-f-35-fighters/

promises, always promises...
As the 35 $ million tag price,
As the Super cruise,
As the F16 like agility,
As the FOC entry date.
etc....

 

[asianobserve]

U-2 channels F-35 sensor data in ballistic missile test

A Lockheed Martin F-35 fighter, U-2 and a ground station have demonstrated a capability to shorten the decision loop involved in detecting and acting upon a long-range missile launch.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...f-35-sensor-data-in-ballistic-missile-460897/

 

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U-2 channels F-35 sensor data in ballistic missile test

A Lockheed Martin F-35 fighter, U-2 and a ground station have demonstrated a capability to shorten the decision loop involved in detecting and acting upon a long-range missile launch.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...f-35-sensor-data-in-ballistic-missile-460897/

Nice.
F35 is a relay for transmission. What's new ?

 

[asianobserve]

Lockheed Martin develops advanced targeting system for F-35hh


Advanced EOTS includes a larger aperture and provides pilots with multi-spectral sensing options such as high-resolution Mid-Wave IR, Short-Wave IR and Near IR. Utilizing the same volume and weight, Advanced EOTS is effortless to integrate into the F-35 Lightning II with the “plug and play” feature.

https://defence-blog.com/news/lockheed-martin-develops-advanced-targeting-system-for-f-35.html

 

[asianobserve]

Pratt & Whitney Defining F-35 Engine Upgrade Package

The intent is to deliver options for improving thrust by more than 10-12%, reducing fuel consumption by more than 5-6%, increasing vertical lift by about 2% and increasing overall power and thermal management capacity, Bromberg says.

Those targets are the proposed baseline improvements advertised for the Growth Option 2.0 upgrade, which remains in discussions for insertion beyond Block 4.2 aircraft delivered starting in 2026, he says.

http://m.aviationweek.com/defense/pratt-whitney-defining-f-35-engine-upgrade-package

 

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Lockheed Martin develops advanced targeting system for F-35hh


Advanced EOTS includes a larger aperture and provides pilots with multi-spectral sensing options such as high-resolution Mid-Wave IR, Short-Wave IR and Near IR. Utilizing the same volume and weight, Advanced EOTS is effortless to integrate into the F-35 Lightning II with the “plug and play” feature.

https://defence-blog.com/news/lockheed-martin-develops-advanced-targeting-system-for-f-35.html

Advanced ? The actual one was weaker than those on the market. It's just a stop gap.