F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[asianobserve]

Poland cleared to buy F-35 fleeth

The proposed order covers 32 of the conventional-takeoff-and-landing F-35A variants, with an estimated price tag of $6.5 billion, according to a Wednesday announcement on the website of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/09/11/poland-cleared-to-buy-f-35-fleet/

 

[asianobserve]

Polish F35s 32 of them are costing 6.8 billion but our Rafales are costing 8+ billion , whats the catch here

That's the usual French product - overhyped, expensive and old...

 

[asianobserve]

Turkey hasn't given up on F-35 fighter jets: Presidential spokesperson

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tu...fighter-jets-presidential-spokesperson-146471

I thought Putin is selling Turkey uber duper PAKFA as in fact the Turks were briefed about it? So Turkish are running back to Murica for much much better F-35? Sori megalomaniac Erdo has first to wrap himself up in real clothes before that happens...

 

[Deathstar]

Turkey hasn't given up on F-35 fighter jets: Presidential spokesperson

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tu...fighter-jets-presidential-spokesperson-146471

I thought Putin is selling Turkey uber duper PAKFA as in fact the Turks were briefed about it? So Turkish are running back to Murica for much much better F-35? Sori megalomaniac Erdo has first to wrap himself up in real clothes before that happens...

Murica will twist Erdo dry now?lol chinis and Russkies are waiting to have a look on Turkish F35.
Erdo is only blah blah blah , superficial messiah.

 

[asianobserve]

Murica will twist Erdo dry now?lol chinis and Russkies are waiting to have a look on Turkish F35.
Erdo is only blah blah blah , superficial messiah.

If Turkey gets it...But the more important give away from this Turkish statement is the further rejection (implied) of Russia's PAKFA. First India, now Turkey...

 

[Deathstar]

If Turkey gets it...But the more important give away from this Turkish statement is the further rejection (implied) of Russia's PAKFA. First India, now Turkey...

Right this re buttering for F35 again after acting too smart shows Su57 is no where near a 5th gen A/C
Again many Turkish projects can be jeopardized bcz of Erdos Sultangiri

 

[Immanuel]

1) The polish F35 are the US model. No accomodation, unlike the Indian Rafale (for a total of 1.6 billion !!!) .
2) What is the weapons package? The Rafale deal includes nearly 700 € millions of weapons.
3) is there a logistic package? Sur not because the support real cost of the F35 is yet unknown.

=> This Polish F35 cost is for dry planes. You have to add a lot of things.

https://dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/poland-f-35-joint-strike-fighter-aircraft

F-35 Performance Based Logistics; software development/integration; aircraft ferry and tanker support; support equipment; tools and test equipment; communications equipment; spares and repair parts; personnel training and training equipment; publications and technical documents; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, logistics, and personnel services; and other related elements of logistics and program support.

Nigga doesn't seem to know that every sale published in DSCA always includes services, logistic, training etc.

Also Poland perhaps doesn't need additional weapons, they operate the F-16 which means all weapons in their inventory will work from day-1.

 

[Immanuel]

IAF took a good look at current version of the Su-57 and realized it needs more time.

 

[Lancer]

IAF took a good look at current version of the Su-57 and realized it needs more time.

Two questions: 1) How good are the chances we'll eventually buy some? 2) When do you think that'll be?

It seems to be our only viable stealth option in the near future, and we can always get a few squadrons off the shelf then work with the Israelis and/or the French to make some special adjustments.

 

[asianobserve]

Two questions: 1) How good are the chances we'll eventually buy some? 2) When do you think that'll be?

It seems to be our only viable stealth option in the near future, and we can always get a few squadrons off the shelf then work with the Israelis and/or the French to make some special adjustments.

PAKFA is not stealth. Its a heavily plastic surgeried Su-27.

 

[BON PLAN]

https://dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/poland-f-35-joint-strike-fighter-aircraft

F-35 Performance Based Logistics; software development/integration; aircraft ferry and tanker support; support equipment; tools and test equipment; communications equipment; spares and repair parts; personnel training and training equipment; publications and technical documents; U.S. Government and contractor engineering, logistics, and personnel services; and other related elements of logistics and program support.

Nigga doesn't seem to know that every sale published in DSCA always includes services, logistic, training etc.

Also Poland perhaps doesn't need additional weapons, they operate the F-16 which means all weapons in their inventory will work from day-1.

extract : "The estimated cost is $6.5 billion".

As LM estimated that F35 could reach super cruise.
As LM estimated that F35 could be as agile as F16.
As LM estimated that F35 could be FOC in 2016.
etc....

Let's talk of that when a deal is inked.

 

[BON PLAN]

PAKFA is not stealth. Its a heavily plastic surgeried Su-27.

no evidence of that.
The James Clerck Maxwell equations are perfectly known by russian. They are good mathematics.
I think it would be an error to under estimate Su57 on this field.
no risk Su57 has the farm door RCS of the Su27.

 

[asianobserve]

no evidence of that.
The James Clerck Maxwell equations are perfectly known by russian. They are good mathematics.
I think it would be an error to under estimate Su57 on this field.
no risk Su57 has the farm door RCS of the Su27.

Knowing is different from practicing. This PAKFA is not stealth (the cornerstone of a 5th gen fighter). Just look at how the Turks are beghing America again to be allowed to buy F-35 after they examined PAKFA.

 

[ForigenSanghi]

no evidence of that.
The James Clerck Maxwell equations are perfectly known by russian. They are good mathematics.
I think it would be an error to under estimate Su57 on this field.
no risk Su57 has the farm door RCS of the Su27.

I knew those equations in high school as well. Doesn't mean I could have made a stealth fighter.

They don't have money to put in for such a project that is why they are looking for punters to fund it. Also, they have made a huge mistake in the design by keeping the engines exposed.

Knowing is different from practicing. This PAKFA is not stealth (the cornerstone of a 5th gen fighter). Just look at how the Turks are beghing America again to be allowed to buy F-35 after they examined PAKFA.

For once the Murican shill is correct.

 

[asianobserve]

Erdogan has made (again) a very bad strategic calculation with his S-400 gambit, thinking he can blzckmail the Americans into given him Patriot TOT... The Muricans cslled his bluff now he is high and dry.

Russian tech is simply not upto par with what the Muricans has to offer especially in terms of stealth tech.

Thus, without Turkey's access to F-35 the strategic and tactical advantage in the ME has shifted to Israel being the lone F-35 operator there. Now Erdo cannot blackmail or threaten Israel with only F-16s.

Erdo can buy Rafale from the French (that is if France is crazy and desperate enough to sell - as I said many times before Rafale will only sell to countries thst the US will not sell its F-35 to) but it will not change the situation for him. Rafale is still almost a generation behind F-35.

 

[asianobserve]

Megalomaniacs like Erdogan, Putin and Hitler before them have always started weak. But they would bluff, threaten, and do some small crazy violence just to put meat into their bluffs. Then normslly democratic but vastly more powerful countries, but risk averse, would capitulate and give in. Then the authocrat gets both moral and military boost. And they would do the blackmail over again until finally they truly become powerful countries.

At least with regards to Caliph Erdo, his bluff was cslled in early.

 

[BON PLAN]

Knowing is different from practicing. This PAKFA is not stealth (the cornerstone of a 5th gen fighter). Just look at how the Turks are beghing America again to be allowed to buy F-35 after they examined PAKFA.

to examine a plane is not enough. Stealth is made of shape, materials...

 

[BON PLAN]

they have made a huge mistake in the design by keeping the engines exposed.

Stealth is specially usefull from front, then sides, then rear.
Su57 "seems" to be studied to be stealth from front and sides.

 

[BON PLAN]

Rafale is still almost a generation behind F-35.

maybe when F35 will be operationnal. Not FOC so far.... 1st flight of the preserial in 2006....

 

[BON PLAN]

That's the usual French product - overhyped, expensive and old...

Rafale is FOC for 13 years.
F35 is far from.
F35 is just a US umbrella tool. Very well done by US diplomacy and LM marketing office, but useless in military operation.

Very costly for an umbrella.