F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

[asianobserve]

The story is over a year old and been debunked. If the IRIAF commander knew about the breach of airspace then he was able to detect F-35.

What it's saying is that the Iranian Air Force chief tried to deny and downplay the incident after it was leaked by the Israelis through the Kuwaiti newspaper, instead of being forthright with Khamenei and then conducting an investigation on how it happened. So Khamenei sacked him.

 

[Armand2REP]

What it's saying is that the Iranian Air Force chief tried to deny and downplay the incident after it was leaked by the Israelis through the Kuwaiti newspaper, instead of being forthright with Khamenei and then conducting an investigation on how it happened. So Khamenei sacked him.

That incident never happened. The Ayatollah has been replacing all of the top commanders including the head of the IRGC in a leadership purge. The Iranians don't have the intel assets to infultrate Israeli black ops and the original article appeared in a Jewish publication known for fake news.

 

[asianobserve]

That incident never happened. The Ayatollah has been replacing all of the top commanders including the head of the IRGC in a leadership purge. The Iranians don't have the intel assets to infultrate Israeli black ops and the original article appeared in a Jewish publication known for fake news.

The coincidence seemed too good to be coincidental. Evading Iran's S-300 is not hard for the F-35 since it is what it has been principally designed to do. Besides, the Israeli Air Force has been known to train against Greek S-300 SAM.

 

[Armand2REP]

The coincidence seemed too good to be coincidental. Evading Iran's S-300 is not hard for the F-35 since it is what it has been principally designed to do. Besides, the Israeli Air Force has been known to train against Greek S-300 SAM.

The reason for his firing has nothing to do with this fake news that is over a year old. Evading S-300 is easy for Rafale so I would hope F-35 could do it. The commander of IRIAF certainly wouldn't be fired for that reason.

 

[asianobserve]

The reason for his firing has nothing to do with this fake news that is over a year old. Evading S-300 is easy for Rafale so I would hope F-35 could do it. The commander of IRIAF certainly wouldn't be fired for that reason.

I don't know know of you're naive or trying to be funny. If you're the President of a country threatened by powerful neighbors and then you learned later on that one of these neighbors flew a fighter plane (presumably armed) deep inside your airspace and over your critical assets, and then when the breach was later on learned your Air Force Chief, the first person who should be concerned of the incident, just ignored it and worse did not even brief you of this possible incursion - in other words your Air Chief played you for an idiot - what would you do? Send him a memo asking him to explaining his spectacular failure to brief you (the President)?

 

[Armand2REP]

It was apparently Iranian Intel that caught wind of this after the breach. It appears they were sleeping when the breach occurred.

Can you show me the debunking of this?

Besides, Israel does have the audacity, balls to do this considering they will probably have to go in and fuck shit up soon.

The story first appeared in the JewishPress in June of last year.

https://www.jewishpress.com/news/mi...-35-deep-penetration-of-irans-sky/2018/06/09/

It is known for being a NY based DEBKAfile. They print rumours not based in facts.

The purged general was on a US sanctions list so in order to make it easier to do business the Ayatollah has been purging his top commanders to replace them with ones not on the list.

Who knows what Israel did but it certainly didn't have any internal impacts on Iranian leadership.

 

[asianobserve]

F-35 Flight Gear & HMD

 

[blackhawk_80]

Over the history of the American-led Joint Strike Fighter program, at least two international F-35 partners issued an ultimatum to the US Defense Department to find a way to restrict US access to foreign militaries' sovereign data, or risk losing those countries as a customer. The core issue is in F-35's logistics system, known as ALIS. ALIS is used by F-35 operators in virtually all stages of flying and sustaining the Joint Strike Fighter. The system is used to plan and debrief missions, order spare parts, walk mainteners through repairs, and view technical data and work orders. But some partners on the F-35 program worried that data flowing through ALIS to the USA and Lockheed Martin could give both the U.S. military and the American defense contractor a window into that country's flight operations, including when and where its F-35s are flying. In August, 2018, the Defense Department awarded a 26$ million contract to Lockheed Martin to develop and test an 'ALIS Sovereign Data Management' system that will allow foreign partners to more tightly control and protect their own data. That effort has borne fruit and certain partners have begun using the new data guard, which rolled out earlier this year. The new data guard allows a foreign military to manage aspects of its data that is sent to the F-35 Hybrid Production Support Intergration team, basically allowing a partner nation to review and block data leaving the country.

 

[BON PLAN]

Over the history of the American-led Joint Strike Fighter program, at least two international F-35 partners issued an ultimatum to the US Defense Department to find a way to restrict US access to foreign militaries' sovereign data, or risk losing those countries as a customer. The core issue is in F-35's logistics system, known as ALIS. ALIS is used by F-35 operators in virtually all stages of flying and sustaining the Joint Strike Fighter. The system is used to plan and debrief missions, order spare parts, walk mainteners through repairs, and view technical data and work orders. But some partners on the F-35 program worried that data flowing through ALIS to the USA and Lockheed Martin could give both the U.S. military and the American defense contractor a window into that country's flight operations, including when and where its F-35s are flying. In August, 2018, the Defense Department awarded a 26$ million contract to Lockheed Martin to develop and test an 'ALIS Sovereign Data Management' system that will allow foreign partners to more tightly control and protect their own data. That effort has borne fruit and certain partners have begun using the new data guard, which rolled out earlier this year. The new data guard allows a foreign military to manage aspects of its data that is sent to the F-35 Hybrid Production Support Intergration team, basically allowing a partner nation to review and block data leaving the country.

With ALIS, the US can ground all your F35 without delay from the LM office. It's a major risk. Not for GB, Australia, Canada that are fully aligned to the US, but in the Indian case it's a major issue.

 

[asianobserve]

Fighter jet firms mull pullout from Canadian competition – F-35 could be last plane standing
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/nati...competition-f-35-could-be-last-plane-standing

 

[asianobserve]

Netanyahu warns Iran about range of new F-35 fighter
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-...bout-range-of-new-F-35-fighter/6161562684029/

 

[abingdonboy]

In terms of all those holding out hopes for the F-35 to be sold to India, this is the end of such farcical fantasies.


https://t.co/bEyqbEElmL

I don’t agree with the S400 deal purely because I think the cost benefit isn’t justified and India can develop its own system for far less outlay. BUT this deal pretty much pays for itself in the reaction to it from the US.

This deal will ensure the slow erosion of India’s national security that was occurring at the behest of the US defence establishment will be halted. And one thing is for sure- the F35 Will now NEVER be sold to India.

LCA is safe, AMCA is safe.

 

[asianobserve]

North Korea calls South Korea's F-35 jet purchases 'extremely dangerous action'

"There is no room for doubt that the delivery of 'F-35A', which is also called an 'invisible lethal weapon', is aimed at securing military supremacy over the neighboring countries in the region and especially opening a 'gate' to invading the north in time of emergency on the Korean peninsula," the statement said.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1U60BJ

 

[Immanuel]

In terms of all those holding out hopes for the F-35 to be sold to India, this is the end of such farcical fantasies.


https://t.co/bEyqbEElmL

I don’t agree with the S400 deal purely because I think the cost benefit isn’t justified and India can develop its own system for far less outlay. BUT this deal pretty much pays for itself in the reaction to it from the US.

This deal will ensure the slow erosion of India’s national security that was occurring at the behest of the US defence establishment will be halted. And one thing is for sure- the F35 Will now NEVER be sold to India.

LCA is safe, AMCA is safe.

People who keep saying 'Never' end up looking like asses when things come to pass.

 

[abingdonboy]

People who keep saying 'Never' end up looking like asses when things come to pass.

Not really. US has openly said that they won’t consider F-35 sales to nations that operate the S400 and for good reason (they don’t want the Russians to gain the radar signatures and flight profiles of their premier strike fighter).

So maybe in 30 years US will re-consider this decision when the F35 is no longer their cutting edge.

People that keep pushing what they hope for rather than what the ground reality suggests sure for make asses of themselves far meme regularly. The idea that India will somehow masterfully negotiate an S400 deal in the face of US sanctions and then get an f35 deal when even NATO ally Turkey isn’t able to do this is beyond foolish.

 

[Immanuel]

Not really. US has openly said that they won’t consider F-35 sales to nations that operate the S400 and for good reason (they don’t want the Russians to gain the radar signatures and flight profiles of their premier strike fighter).

So maybe in 30 years US will re-consider this decision when the F35 is no longer their cutting edge.

People that keep pushing what they hope for rather than what the ground reality suggests sure for make asses of themselves far meme regularly. The idea that India will somehow masterfully negotiate an S400 deal in the face of US sanctions and then get an f35 deal when even NATO ally Turkey isn’t able to do this is beyond foolish.

Funny how after saying 'Never' you go back to 'may be in 30 years'. People who can't stay consistent within the same page can always be relied upon to make themselves look like asses.

 

[Deathstar]

Guys what if we opt F35 B i e naval variant instead of F35A for Air force??will this solve the problem of S400?

 

[Immanuel]

Guys what if we opt F35 B i e naval variant instead of F35A for Air force??will this solve the problem of S400?

First F-35 would have to be offered after S-400 induction, that isn't straight forward yet.

 

[BON PLAN]

I don’t agree with the S400 deal purely because I think the cost benefit isn’t justified and India can develop its own system for far less outlay

It's probablty the best SAM so far today....
SAM are as artillery : a russian specialty.

 

[abingdonboy]

S400 deliveries commence to Turkey and reactions are starting to come in from US political class:



Calls for sanctions already coming in. F35 will now be de-liked from Turkey (remember Turkey was to be a manufacturing hub for the F35). If they are doing this to a a NATO ally and F35 partner, what will they do to India?

Wake up people. It was always S400 or F35, the two could never be bought together. India has made a calculation and concluded f35 is not what it wants.


Chapter is closed (before it was ever really opened)

Guys what if we opt F35 B i e naval variant instead of F35A for Air force??will this solve the problem of S400?

What do you think that changes? Nothing.

The US’s objection to the S400 is that it will allow Russia to build a profile of the F35’s signature. No F35 operator will be allowed to order the S400. End. Of. Story.

Get F35 out of your mind. S400 payment will be made in next few weeks and after that F35 will not be an option for any Indian branch.

It's probablty the best SAM so far today....
SAM are as artillery : a russian specialty.

Perhaps but with time and budgetary support India will create a similar system. It might not be 100% of S400’s capabilities but it will be sufficient for Indias needs and will be 1) cheaper and 2) independent